Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[BobbieL]

Reading Bickley - talking about Blake Griffin to the Suns. I know its a long shot but he is only 28. The injury prone thing is not good but maybe in Phoenix - he won't hit people after a night at the bar. But the deal would be 4 years/130. I think the 4 years because Chandler, and Dudley are off the books after year 2 so only Booker really kicks in, maybe Bledsoe. After year 3, that is when Chriss, Bender kick in and Knight should be off the books. And year, 4, well, Jackson kicks in. So it could be managed. But to do it

Len would have to be renounced but you keep Sauce and Chandler for their rebounding as Blake needs somebody to board
Barbosa waived by this Friday if they are SERIOUS about making a run
I still think that leaves the team a little short unless you got Knights contract off the books

I wonder if this could be a three team sign and trade
Knight to Philly
Okafor to the Clippers with Warren and a couple first rounders from Phoenix. The better of the Miami/Phoenix pick in 2018 and another future first rounder.
Griffin to the Suns

The Clippers get a PF to replace Okafor, a young player in Warren for the SF (unless they truly want Bender or Chriss - I am not stopping the deal, but NO to Josh Jackson - NO to JJ) and a couple of picks. Heck, the Clippers could have Derrick Jones Jr too

Why would we do a sign and trade and send out a couple of picks and Warren when we can sign him outright? If he wants the max it would likely take far less than that. What did we get when we sign and traded Amare? I know we got a lot for JJ but he was a RFA and we could have just matched so we had leverage. Not that I really want Blake anyway.

Well, I was only thinking Sign and Trade if Knight is not off the books. I have looked at Spotrac and I think if they can move Knight to say the Nets for nothing, you are correct there doesn't need to be a sign and trade. But I was using the case of having to moves Knights contract to clear cap space combined with the Sixers wanting to move Okafor

But you are correct - if Knight is say moved to the Nets for nothing, Len is renounced, Barbosa not brought back (and this is 50/50 - he might be able to come back) - I think the Suns are well under the cap to bring in Griffin on the 4/130 deal

[bwgood77]

Reading Bickley - talking about Blake Griffin to the Suns. I know its a long shot but he is only 28. The injury prone thing is not good but maybe in Phoenix - he won't hit people after a night at the bar. But the deal would be 4 years/130. I think the 4 years because Chandler, and Dudley are off the books after year 2 so only Booker really kicks in, maybe Bledsoe. After year 3, that is when Chriss, Bender kick in and Knight should be off the books. And year, 4, well, Jackson kicks in. So it could be managed. But to do it

Len would have to be renounced but you keep Sauce and Chandler for their rebounding as Blake needs somebody to board
Barbosa waived by this Friday if they are SERIOUS about making a run
I still think that leaves the team a little short unless you got Knights contract off the books

I wonder if this could be a three team sign and trade
Knight to Philly
Okafor to the Clippers with Warren and a couple first rounders from Phoenix. The better of the Miami/Phoenix pick in 2018 and another future first rounder.
Griffin to the Suns

The Clippers get a PF to replace Okafor, a young player in Warren for the SF (unless they truly want Bender or Chriss - I am not stopping the deal, but NO to Josh Jackson - NO to JJ) and a couple of picks. Heck, the Clippers could have Derrick Jones Jr too

Why would we do a sign and trade and send out a couple of picks and Warren when we can sign him outright? If he wants the max it would likely take far less than that. What did we get when we sign and traded Amare? I know we got a lot for JJ but he was a RFA and we could have just matched so we had leverage. Not that I really want Blake anyway.

Well, I was only thinking Sign and Trade if Knight is not off the books. I have looked at Spotrac and I think if they can move Knight to say the Nets for nothing, you are correct there doesn't need to be a sign and trade. But I was using the case of having to moves Knights contract to clear cap space combined with the Sixers wanting to move Okafor

But you are correct - if Knight is say moved to the Nets for nothing, Len is renounced, Barbosa not brought back (and this is 50/50 - he might be able to come back) - I think the Suns are well under the cap to bring in Griffin on the 4/130 deal

Oh, ok. I wouldn't trade two picks and Warren just to get rid of Knight though.

[BobbieL]

Why would we do a sign and trade and send out a couple of picks and Warren when we can sign him outright? If he wants the max it would likely take far less than that. What did we get when we sign and traded Amare? I know we got a lot for JJ but he was a RFA and we could have just matched so we had leverage. Not that I really want Blake anyway.

Well, I was only thinking Sign and Trade if Knight is not off the books. I have looked at Spotrac and I think if they can move Knight to say the Nets for nothing, you are correct there doesn't need to be a sign and trade. But I was using the case of having to moves Knights contract to clear cap space combined with the Sixers wanting to move Okafor

But you are correct - if Knight is say moved to the Nets for nothing, Len is renounced, Barbosa not brought back (and this is 50/50 - he might be able to come back) - I think the Suns are well under the cap to bring in Griffin on the 4/130 deal

Oh, ok. I wouldn't trade two picks and Warren just to get rid of Knight though.

No, I am not doing a Kurt Thomas and adding picks to Knights contract to say the Nets to take him.

It would only be in that case of an S&T as I outlined to the Clippers to get the deal done.

The Suns have 6 first rounders in the next 4 years. It is hard to envision them needing them all. Now, that doesn't mean trade them away as its good to have players on rookie deals for cap space reasons. But I don't see how trading even 3 of the 6 - as long as not the Heat Unprotected - with the core group in place - would be bad. But would at least like 3, if not 4 of those 6 first rounders on the books

[Frank Lee]

you have to think something is coming down the pipe.

No way McDo does not participate in Free Agency. And its just as likely he has a trade or two up his sleeve. Really, with a little bit of Luck... he can make a couple of moves that will stir up a haboob in the valley.

Imagine trading for Griffin then signing Hayward? unlikely yes, but you tell that to McD. Due diligence i.e....His Job... says make/construct the best team he can. He might not get too many more chances. Who would have thought LMA almost came here? Its time he scores.... and the money is so big that almost every player signed is going to get a substantial raise.

Good weather, good young pieces, player friendly arts and craft coach.... Phnx can be that destination it once was... Sarver be damned. (though I dont think he is nearly the prob as some make him out to be)

[BobbieL]

you have to think something is coming down the pipe.

No way McDo does not participate in Free Agency. And its just as likely he has a trade or two up his sleeve. Really, with a little bit of Luck... he can make a couple of moves that will stir up a haboob in the valley.

Imagine trading for Griffin then signing Hayward? unlikely yes, but you tell that to McD. Due diligence i.e....His Job... says make/construct the best team he can. He might not get too many more chances. Who would have thought LMA almost came here? Its time he scores.... and the money is so big that almost every player signed is going to get a substantial raise.

Good weather, good young pieces, player friendly arts and craft coach.... Phnx can be that destination it once was... Sarver be damned. (though I dont think he is nearly the prob as some make him out to be)

Sarvers biggest problem for me is that fiscally, he is up and down like a yo-yo. One draft day, trading away his two picks for 6m, along with Brian Grant saving another 2m - so 8m but than signing a guy like Marcus Banks for 21m. When if you traded away Grant and one pick, you would have saved 5m but a rookie free agent deal at the time woul dhave been about 5m for four years.

Or the year he let Stoudemire go - wisely. But signed a bunch "guys" to long term deals. One year deal for Warrick, fine.

Hopefully now he has learned forecasting and budgeting with an NBA cap and rookies when their deals are off the books - and if just lets Ryan do his thing - I think the Suns will be fine

I also think Ryan has a sleeper move this free agency/trade period - whether its Blake or not, remains to be seen

[michaelscarn]

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Wow chris paul traded to Houston. I think this all but assures they resign blake Griffin.

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[RunDogGun]

you have to think something is coming down the pipe.

No way McDo does not participate in Free Agency. And its just as likely he has a trade or two up his sleeve. Really, with a little bit of Luck... he can make a couple of moves that will stir up a haboob in the valley.

Imagine trading for Griffin then signing Hayward? unlikely yes, but you tell that to McD. Due diligence i.e....His Job... says make/construct the best team he can. He might not get too many more chances. Who would have thought LMA almost came here? Its time he scores.... and the money is so big that almost every player signed is going to get a substantial raise.

Good weather, good young pieces, player friendly arts and craft coach.... Phnx can be that destination it once was... Sarver be damned. (though I dont think he is nearly the prob as some make him out to be)

Sarvers biggest problem for me is that fiscally, he is up and down like a yo-yo. One draft day, trading away his two picks for 6m, along with Brian Grant saving another 2m - so 8m but than signing a guy like Marcus Banks for 21m. When if you traded away Grant and one pick, you would have saved 5m but a rookie free agent deal at the time woul dhave been about 5m for four years.

We did have a gm the year we traded Rondo, doesn't he get some of the credit/blame for trading away two point guards, hiring a more expensive one, and oddly refusing to play that guard (he was also our coach). We also rushed out to get Piat. But overall I think Sarver should trust his gms, and keep basketball desicions to those who know the talent.

[BobbieL]

WojBomb

There goes CP3 to the Rockets so the Spurs have a new plan
Griffin probably goes back to the Clippers

Barbosa will not be traded for Beverly and cap space

Hmm - at least it happened before Free Agency - back to the drawing board for teams

[matt131]

Read on Twitter

Lol is Houston gonna implement a new rule where they get to play with two basketballs?

But also how does this work? How do you trade CP3 when he is 3 days away from free agency? Do the rockets have to sign him immediately? I guess it takes money off their books for now.

[AZWildByNature]

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I wish the Suns would have kept him but I think Chriss fits the team long term. $10m per is a good contract for him, and would not have fit the Suns coming off the bench.

On another note, I am most curious about what the Suns are going to do with Brandon Knight. I would not be surprised if they need to attach at least 2 second round picks to him to get rid of him.

[BobbieL]

you have to think something is coming down the pipe.

No way McDo does not participate in Free Agency. And its just as likely he has a trade or two up his sleeve. Really, with a little bit of Luck... he can make a couple of moves that will stir up a haboob in the valley.

Imagine trading for Griffin then signing Hayward? unlikely yes, but you tell that to McD. Due diligence i.e....His Job... says make/construct the best team he can. He might not get too many more chances. Who would have thought LMA almost came here? Its time he scores.... and the money is so big that almost every player signed is going to get a substantial raise.

Good weather, good young pieces, player friendly arts and craft coach.... Phnx can be that destination it once was... Sarver be damned. (though I dont think he is nearly the prob as some make him out to be)

Sarvers biggest problem for me is that fiscally, he is up and down like a yo-yo. One draft day, trading away his two picks for 6m, along with Brian Grant saving another 2m - so 8m but than signing a guy like Marcus Banks for 21m. When if you traded away Grant and one pick, you would have saved 5m but a rookie free agent deal at the time woul dhave been about 5m for four years.

We did have a gm the year we traded Rondo, doesn't he get some of the credit/blame for trading away two point guards, hiring a more expensive one, and oddly refusing to play that guard (he was also our coach). We also rushed out to get Piat. But overall I think Sarver should trust his gms, and keep basketball desicions to those who know the talent.

Good point - I think the GM was Mike Dantoni who didn't want to play rookie guards but sometimes that's where you need a GM to settle things and think longer term big picture as well. GM could tell Mike - hey, that makes no sense We need rookies on rookie deals as Barbosa and Diaw are getting longer term deals

[RunDogGun]

Sarvers biggest problem for me is that fiscally, he is up and down like a yo-yo. One draft day, trading away his two picks for 6m, along with Brian Grant saving another 2m - so 8m but than signing a guy like Marcus Banks for 21m. When if you traded away Grant and one pick, you would have saved 5m but a rookie free agent deal at the time woul dhave been about 5m for four years.

We did have a gm the year we traded Rondo, doesn't he get some of the credit/blame for trading away two point guards, hiring a more expensive one, and oddly refusing to play that guard (he was also our coach). We also rushed out to get Piat. But overall I think Sarver should trust his gms, and keep basketball desicions to those who know the talent.

Good point - I think the GM was Mike Dantoni who didn't want to play rookie guards but sometimes that's where you need a GM to settle things and think longer term big picture as well. GM could tell Mike - hey, that makes no sense We need rookies on rookie deals as Barbosa and Diaw are getting longer term deals

I think Kerr learned first hand that it isn't all that easy to tell Mike what to do.

[Qwigglez]

Wow. I don't see any reason for Blake to stay with the Clippers. If Boston lands PG13 that likely means they got a deal in place with Hayward. What teams have cap space for Blake? Would he even want to go to Rockets to hang with CP3 and Harden? How would he get the ball.

[BobbieL]

Houston is an interesting team

Paul, Harden will dominate the ball

Anderson will get lots of three point looks

not sure who is left

[BobbieL]

Wow. I don't see any reason for Blake to stay with the Clippers. If Boston lands PG13 that likely means they got a deal in place with Hayward. What teams have cap space for Blake? Would he even want to go to Rockets to hang with CP3 and Harden? How would he get the ball.

I think he stays in LA for two reasons
1) most money
2) Alpha player now - if healthy, ball goes through him and he can score 30ppg

IF Healthy

[Qwigglez]

Wow. I don't see any reason for Blake to stay with the Clippers. If Boston lands PG13 that likely means they got a deal in place with Hayward. What teams have cap space for Blake? Would he even want to go to Rockets to hang with CP3 and Harden? How would he get the ball.

I think he stays in LA for two reasons
1) most money
2) Alpha player now - if healthy, ball goes through him and he can score 30ppg

IF Healthy

Again, I thought there was no incentive for him to stay with the Clippers, as in they cannot offer him anymore than other teams can in free agency? I could be wrong though.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Lol is Houston gonna implement a new rule where they get to play with two basketballs?

But also how does this work? How do you trade CP3 when he is 3 days away from free agency? Do the rockets have to sign him immediately? I guess it takes money off their books for now.

CP3 is agreeing to pick up his player option so he's not becoming a free agent. He'll play this year on a 1 year deal then sign a 5 year max with Houston next summer.

[matt131]

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Lol is Houston gonna implement a new rule where they get to play with two basketballs?

But also how does this work? How do you trade CP3 when he is 3 days away from free agency? Do the rockets have to sign him immediately? I guess it takes money off their books for now.

CP3 is agreeing to pick up his player option so he's not becoming a free agent. He'll play this year on a 1 year deal then sign a 5 year max with Houston next summer.

Thank you for the explanation!

[WeekapaugGroove]

Wow. I don't see any reason for Blake to stay with the Clippers. If Boston lands PG13 that likely means they got a deal in place with Hayward. What teams have cap space for Blake? Would he even want to go to Rockets to hang with CP3 and Harden? How would he get the ball.

I think he stays in LA for two reasons
1) most money
2) Alpha player now - if healthy, ball goes through him and he can score 30ppg

IF Healthy

Again, I thought there was no incentive for him to stay with the Clippers, as in they cannot offer him anymore than other teams can in free agency? I could be wrong though.

The Clips can offer him a 5th year and higher yearly percentage raises.