Chris Paul Opts In; Then Traded To Houston

Dasein · Post #221 » by **Dasein** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:23 pm

Bluewaterheaven wrote:Best backcourt in the league, but I don't know how it will fit together.

Curry and Thomson fit better together

RCM88x · Post #222 » by **RCM88x** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:23 pm

cochiseuofm wrote:I kind of wonder if the Clippers will just turn around and deal both Lou and Beverley now - both have some value on the trade market I'd think.

Definitely a possibility depending on what happens with Blake and if they can move DJ.

fart · Post #223 » by **fart** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:23 pm

Have to admire Morey's ability to Chase and land big fish. Harden, Dwight (big fish at that time), and now cp3. The fact that he is doing this in Houston and not a "destination" city such as LA or Miami makes it that much more impressive.

timdunkit · Post #224 » by **timdunkit** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:24 pm

Not sure why people are worried about touches. With D'antoni's pace, there will be plenty of time for CP3/Harden to dominate the ball. Moving Harden off the ball could be a good thing and will let him conserve a bit of his energy for the defensive end.

Patches Perry · Post #225 » by **Patches Perry** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:24 pm

The saving grace for Houston is that they're not giving up much, but this trade is a really bad fit. It also pretty much secures Kawhi Leonard or Russell Westbrook as MVP next season also. Maybe Giannis can sneak in there.

rockets22 · Post #226 » by **rockets22** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:24 pm

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NBAfan3024 · Post #227 » by **NBAfan3024** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:24 pm

Surely now rockets will have no space to sign anybody else?

Triples333 · Post #228 » by **Triples333** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:25 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:
Baz wrote:The fit of Paul/Harden won't work. They are both ball dominant & their games just don't co-exist. Remember the failure that was Lawson/Harden? I hate the Rockets. But I would love for this to work. I just can't see it happening.

Lawson was already TERRIBLE when he went to the rockets.

Harden wasn't a ball dominant before he started being the ''leader'' in Houston. If Westbrook-Harden-Durant worked, Chris Paul & Harden can make this easily. Harden playing SG sounds great.

Westbrook-Harden-KD is a completely different time and scenario. It worked because Harden was still young and accepted his role on the bench and as a 3rd option for the team overall. KD has never been overly ball dominant due to being so elite at the catch and shoot off picks and from 3, so he also never clogged up their offense too much. Now that Harden has a taste of the alpha ball dominant play and the numbers that come with it, we can't be so sure that he will revert back to his younger days as a more off-ball option (check my last post, even as a SG he was posting some of the highest time-of-possession numbers in Houston). I don't think this is a "bad" pairing or one they should not love to have (it's without question an upgrade for Houston to have two guys that skilled), but it's not going to be without serious growing pains.

Also - All NBA D teams be damned - I don't think Paul has nearly the same day to day defensive intensity as he used to, and that was something Beverly offered them/Harden. It's possible we see more than a few nights where they will be brilliantly offensively, and not even out-produce the opposing PG/SG combo.

XcalibuR · Post #229 » by **XcalibuR** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:25 pm

I'm not worried about fit at all. Dominant iso scorers with low B-Ball IQ can't work together. Harden and Paul have two of the highest b-ball IQ in the NBA, they will not only figure it out, but will expand on each other's game.

Post #230 » by **ken6199** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:25 pm

Patches Perry wrote:
getitdone323 wrote:anyone here from that Martin2Vaught Poster, dude hates on everything for the Lakers. Just want to laugh at him for once.

He has been more critical of CP3 than anyone on this forum. I'm sure he is not devastated about this trade.

Best part, CP3 and Har_en are on the same team. Two birds on one stone now

LikeABosh · Post #231 » by **LikeABosh** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:26 pm

Edrees wrote:
LikeABosh wrote:
Fico92 wrote:RIP Harden's future MVP chances.

He lost to Curry in 2015 because of team success and then he lost to Westbrook for individual success. I think there are very few scenarios where was going to win anyways

Actually Durant/Curry/Kawhi lost to Westbrook this year because of individual success. One of those 3 should win if you want to reward team success.

I don't know why you're bringing those 3 up. Did they all finish as a clear 2nd this past year and in 2015? It was a race between Harden and Westbrook this past year and between Harden and Curry in 2015

sixerswillrule · Post #232 » by **sixerswillrule** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:26 pm

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:I can't imagine the Rockets gave up much, but its still a weird move for them. I just don't get the fit of Paul/Harden.

Obviously there will be diminished returns since their skills overlap but this definitely improves the team. Will be interesting to watch for sure.

Dasein · Post #233 » by **Dasein** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:26 pm

G Buckets wrote:Wonder if the Clippers try to go after PG13? I don't see them just blowing it up.

What assets do the Clippers have?

cpower · Post #234 » by **cpower** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:27 pm

i think both teams get worse

ISayshowmee · Post #235 » by **ISayshowmee** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:27 pm

Warriors need to sign another big name player to neutralize this move by the Rockets !!

Jcool0 · Post #236 » by **Jcool0** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:27 pm

timdunkit wrote:Not sure why people are worried about touches. With D'antoni's pace, there will be plenty of time for CP3/Harden to dominate the ball. Moving Harden off the ball could be a good thing and will let him conserve a bit of his energy for the defensive end.

Energy isnt the problem

Mich3006 · Post #237 » by **Mich3006** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:27 pm

fart wrote:Have to admire Morey's ability to Chase and land big fish. Harden, Dwight (big fish at that time), and now cp3. The fact that he is doing this in Houston and not a "destination" city such as LA or Miami makes it that much more impressive.

There are plenty of big things in Houston, just ask Slim Thug

An Unbiased Fan · Post #238 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:27 pm

ken6199 wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
getitdone323 wrote:anyone here from that Martin2Vaught Poster, dude hates on everything for the Lakers. Just want to laugh at him for once.

He has been more critical of CP3 than anyone on this forum. I'm sure he is not devastated about this trade.

Best part, CP3 and Har_en are on the same team. Two birds on one stone now

Flop City moves to Texas! :lol:

zshawn10 · Post #239 » by **zshawn10** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:28 pm

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Post #240 » by **Cactus Jack** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:28 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:
getitdone323 wrote:anyone here from that Martin2Vaught Poster, dude hates on everything for the Lakers. Just want to laugh at him for once.

Laugh it up all you want. We're finally stepping off the treadmill, so I'm happy.

I actually like this deal for the Clips more tbh. Beverly, Williams & a 1st is good value. The team was better off moving away from Paul with his age & recent injury history. Clipper fans should love this move.