Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

Frank Lee · Post #801 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:57 pm

BobbieL wrote:...... Knight for Shumpert at worse - ....

Dude.... why dont you just make that trade your signature ? It seems to be a constant within all your posts.... yet I see no reason why Cavs would do this..... EVER.

BobbieL · Post #802 » by **BobbieL** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:01 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
BobbieL wrote:...... Knight for Shumpert at worse - ....

Dude.... why dont you just make that trade your signature ? It seems to be a constant within all your posts.... yet I see no reason why Cavs would do this..... EVER.

yes, probably, guilty

. if I keep writing it maybe it will come true

but did you see how bad the Cavs offense was when the bench were - they sucked
if they are going to beat the Warriors - which is their goal - they need more scoring from the player named "Bench"
Shumpert makes close to the Knight
Dan Gilbert spends money for no good reason
just trying to find an option for Knight

thamadkant · Post #803 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:13 pm

D'Antoni is also another reason Chris Paul wants to go there... Morey is another... Rockets with fast tempo, heaps of catch and shoot 3pters, slashers and big men who runs.

Suns have Watson....

thamadkant · Post #804 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:16 pm

Steal Iguadala away from Warriors and they become a bit easier to beat...

Steal Draymond away and the Warriors become 2nd round fodder.

Iguadala and Green are staples to the team's versatility, ball movement, IQ and defense.

Plug these 2 to playoff teams and those teams get huge boost...

BobbieL · Post #805 » by **BobbieL** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:18 pm

1UPZ wrote:Steal Iguadala away from Warriors and they become a bit easier to beat...

Steal Draymond away and the Warriors become 2nd round fodder.

Iguadala and Green are staples to the team's versatility, ball movement, IQ and defense.

Plug these 2 to playoff teams and those teams get huge boost...

this is true. I think if a team like the Twolves were to get Iguodala, they would really be vastly improved. My hunch is the Spurs are going to go for Iggy with no CP3 out there.

So to your point - maybe Rubio for Bledsoe would help the ball movement, defense

Puff · Post #806 » by **Puff** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:27 pm

1UPZ wrote:Steal Iguadala away from Warriors and they become a bit easier to beat...

Steal Draymond away and the Warriors become 2nd round fodder.

Iguadala and Green are staples to the team's versatility, ball movement, IQ and defense.

Plug these 2 to playoff teams and those teams get huge boost...

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I think Iggy would be perfect for the rocket's. However why would he leave the Warriors?

Iggy has been huge for the Warriors.

BobbieL · Post #807 » by **BobbieL** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:32 pm

Puff wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Steal Iguadala away from Warriors and they become a bit easier to beat...

Steal Draymond away and the Warriors become 2nd round fodder.

Iguadala and Green are staples to the team's versatility, ball movement, IQ and defense.

Plug these 2 to playoff teams and those teams get huge boost...
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I think Iggy would be perfect for the rocket's. However why would he leave the Warriors?

Iggy has been huge for the Warriors.

money talks

and if he does, so be it
warriors might offer 3/33
another team might offer 3/43

if he stayed, good for him. if he left, good for him

speaking of guards that might be good signings - especially now that Beveryly dream has died - Livingston

that guy just makes smart plays for the Warriors. I said Beverly, others Calderon - Livingston would be an excellent backup if Ryan were looking for an experienced guard. Again, Suns might be able to pay more in two yearss than he could from GSW in three

WeekapaugGroove · Post #808 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:36 pm

If they could get him on a cheap 1 or 2 year prove it deal I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on ben mclamore.

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jredsaz · Post #809 » by **jredsaz** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:36 pm

BobbieL wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:4 SuperTeams in 2017-2018?

Warriors
-Steph
-Klay
-KD
-Green

Cavs
-Kyrie
-Wade
-Lebron
-Love

Celtics
-IT
-Hayward or Blake
-PG3
-Horford

Rockets
-Paul
-Harden
-Melo
-Who cares

Not a bad time to tank gentleman!

don't tank
try to win
if not Blake Griffin - who according to Shelbourne is probably going back to the Clippers - figure out somebody who can make you better

tanking last year stunk - that was a better basketball team if they didn't trade PJ Tucker and quit

If not for his hurt toe, I would do my Aldridge for Dudley deal - he only has two years than let him walk; but in lieu of that Taj Gibson on a two year deal. Knight for Shumpert at worse - granted, if they get Dwade they don't need Knight

If you can't land Blake no one else out there is worth it. Go for the tank/youth development and look at Cousins/Westbrook next year.

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MrMiyagi · Post #810 » by **MrMiyagi** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:42 pm

I really don't want to spend any money this offseason. We're not catching the Spurs, Rockets, Warriors. We don't want another Childress/Warrick/Turkeyglue situation.

MrMiyagi · Post #811 » by **MrMiyagi** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:42 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:If they could get him on a cheap 1 or 2 year prove it deal I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on ben mclamore.

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Where does he even get minutes?

RunDogGun · Post #812 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:43 pm

Yikes, another "let's actively give up on the season and look to next year before our team even dresses for a game"?

RunDogGun · Post #813 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:44 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:I really don't want to spend any money this offseason. We're not catching the Spurs, Rockets, Warriors. We don't want another Childress/Warrick/Turkeyglue situation.

It was Frye not Ball. :wink:

Ball was a trade for LB.

Plus we completely used those players incorrectly. Heck we had Childress standing out by the three point line all the time when he couldn't hit anything after the thumb injury. We should have milked Warrick for the Amare-lite he was, and had him play top of the key in a more zone defense. Turk should have come off the bench at the three and help Goran run point. Oh well, either way, we wasted money because we were stupid.

MrMiyagi · Post #814 » by **MrMiyagi** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:45 pm

RunDogGun wrote:Yikes, another "let's actively give up on the season and look to next year before our team even dresses for a game"?

No. I want Booker, Jackson, TJ, Chriss, Bender, Ulis, Reed, etc. to get as many minutes as possible. If they're bad, they're bad, but there is no reality where we catch the Warriors, Spurs, Rockets, etc. If we're hoping for an 8th seed, we might have the guys to do it already. I'd rather be a youthful 8th than an old-man 8th.

RunDogGun · Post #815 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:49 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Yikes, another "let's actively give up on the season and look to next year before our team even dresses for a game"?

No. I want Booker, Jackson, TJ, Chriss, Bender, Ulis, Reed, etc. to get as many minutes as possible. If they're bad, they're bad, but there is no reality where we catch the Warriors, Spurs, Rockets, etc. If we're hoping for an 8th seed, we might have the guys to do it already. I'd rather be a youthful 8th than an old-man 8th.

Well I wasn't talking about you. :wink:

I was referring to anyone who claims we should just tank the season.

Why do we have to hope for anything but our players to play the best they can, regardless of when they get minutes. I'm on record as saying I don't want LMA or Blake right now.

MrMiyagi · Post #816 » by **MrMiyagi** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:54 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Yikes, another "let's actively give up on the season and look to next year before our team even dresses for a game"?

No. I want Booker, Jackson, TJ, Chriss, Bender, Ulis, Reed, etc. to get as many minutes as possible. If they're bad, they're bad, but there is no reality where we catch the Warriors, Spurs, Rockets, etc. If we're hoping for an 8th seed, we might have the guys to do it already. I'd rather be a youthful 8th than an old-man 8th.

Well I wasn't talking about you. I was referring to anyone who claims we should just tank the season.

We should be gunning for the playoffs with the guys we've got. We're likely short (though LAC, Utah, Memphis could slip, but Minnesota, Portland, New Orleans might jump), but we don't need to actively tank.

jredsaz · Post #817 » by **jredsaz** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:57 pm

JJ Redick looks like he is gone too. I think Griffin gives some other teams a serious look. Miami would be the leader. But maybe he wants to stay west!!!

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2017-nba-free-agency-trades-and-rumors-clippers-to-focus-on-re-signing-blake-griffin/amp/

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Puff · Post #818 » by **Puff** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:58 pm

1UPZ wrote:D'Antoni is also another reason Chris Paul wants to go there... Morey is another... Rockets with fast tempo, heaps of catch and shoot 3pters, slashers and big men who runs.

Suns have Watson.... :(

I agree totally.

MDA has improved virtually every player that has made his rotations. Both statistically and monetarily. If you can fit his style and he is willing to play you, it is a no brainer for any player not named Carmelo, Pau Gasol, Kobe or Dwight Howard. Ball hogs generally struggle with MIke.

Watson had a losing record as a player and currently has a 30% winning percentage as a head coach. I hope that we move on from him next off season if we do not see legit progression for this group. I really believe the talent in here to win basketball games.

I am not sure any free agent that is any good would will sign with us. It has been a long time since we signed any legit starters. It has been role player after role player ever since Amare left town.

RunDogGun · Post #819 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:58 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:No. I want Booker, Jackson, TJ, Chriss, Bender, Ulis, Reed, etc. to get as many minutes as possible. If they're bad, they're bad, but there is no reality where we catch the Warriors, Spurs, Rockets, etc. If we're hoping for an 8th seed, we might have the guys to do it already. I'd rather be a youthful 8th than an old-man 8th.

Well I wasn't talking about you. I was referring to anyone who claims we should just tank the season.

We should be gunning for the playoffs with the guys we've got. We're likely short (though LAC, Utah, Memphis could slip, but Minnesota, Portland, New Orleans might jump), but we don't need to actively tank.

I'm not worried about our position in the playoffs right now, I'm more concerned with the lack of offensive system and a just as weak defensive system and have done nothing to address those concerns as of yet. Minutes to youngsters in a disfunctional system seems a moot topic really.

Puff · Post #820 » by **Puff** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:06 pm

jredsaz wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:4 SuperTeams in 2017-2018?

Warriors
-Steph
-Klay
-KD
-Green

Cavs
-Kyrie
-Wade
-Lebron
-Love

Celtics
-IT
-Hayward or Blake
-PG3
-Horford

Rockets
-Paul
-Harden
-Melo
-Who cares

Not a bad time to tank gentleman!

don't tank
try to win
if not Blake Griffin - who according to Shelbourne is probably going back to the Clippers - figure out somebody who can make you better

tanking last year stunk - that was a better basketball team if they didn't trade PJ Tucker and quit

If not for his hurt toe, I would do my Aldridge for Dudley deal - he only has two years than let him walk; but in lieu of that Taj Gibson on a two year deal. Knight for Shumpert at worse - granted, if they get Dwade they don't need Knight

If you can't land Blake no one else out there is worth it. Go for the tank/youth development and look at Cousins/Westbrook next year.

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I have been preaching the same thing about going after Blake. I am not expecting him to turn us into an NBA champion but he would get us in the conversation. At some point these young guys have to start winning basketball games. Not everyone is as lucky as Watson. He has lost on virtually every team he has played on, yet he gets a head coaching job in the NBA without proving himself first at another level.

However I am not so keen on either Westbrook or Cousins for next off season. Both are talented, Westbrook off the charts, but something is missing. Just a hunch and probably a bad one. So be it.