ATL - PG13 to Thunder

[Matches Malone]

Personal attacks are now allowed - MD.

You're clearly a plant from the Bucks organization. Every one of your posts is ripping another member or saying how stupid RealGM is.

Duke? Intern? Alex Lasry? Let the investigation begin!

I vote Alex.

Hi, Alex! We know it's youuuuu.

[Wiscfan92]

Melo seems like he's falling apart at a young age, ala Big Dog.

Regarding Chris Paul, were we not interested? Kidd supposedly has cache with guys from that generation. If he's not contributing to getting guys like Paul, what good is he?

I think it's more about the lack of assets we had to offer. I know they didn't get a ton from HOU, but it's prolly better than what we would have offered.

It has nothing to do with the assets guys. The Clippers had ZERO leverage. Paul could either opt out and they lose him for nothing or he could opt in and they could trade him for pennies on the dollar to a team of Paul's choosing.

There were probably two teams he was interested in, SAS and HOU and he picked HOU.

Then what do you think we realistically could have offered to compete with that? Please humor me.

[M-C-G]

I'd love to see what he can do when he isn't pressured to be one of the guys. If he can be athletic and shoot ~38-40% from three, he's worth a tiny gamble.

I'm not sure how much less pressure they could have put on him actually. He was never in their top 3 for FGA, and the last two years they have tried to replace him like 5 times. Cassipi, Bellinelli, Seth Curry, Afflalo, Temple, Malachai, Hield

I'm all for taking a flyer, but too much pressure on being the guy, doesn't really feel apt.

[tski1972]

this is currently the roster for the Clips...

PG
1. Austin Rivers
2. Lou Williams
3. Raymond Felton
4. Jawun Evans
5. DeAndre Liggins
SG
1. Patrick Beverley
2. J.J. Redick
3. Jamal Crawford
4. Darrun Hilliard
5. Tim Quarterman
SF
1. Luc Mbah a Moute
2. Sam Dekker
3. Wes Johnson
4. Paul Pierce
5. Alan Anderson
6. Ryan Kelly
PF
1. Blake Griffin
2. Brandon Bass
3. Montrezl Harrell
4. Brice Johnson
5. Kyle Wiltjer
C
1. DeAndre Jordan
2. Marreese Speights
3. Diamond Stone

[humanrefutation]

I think it's more about the lack of assets we had to offer. I know they didn't get a ton from HOU, but it's prolly better than what we would have offered.

It has nothing to do with the assets guys. The Clippers had ZERO leverage. Paul could either opt out and they lose him for nothing or he could opt in and they could trade him for pennies on the dollar to a team of Paul's choosing.

There were probably two teams he was interested in, SAS and HOU and he picked HOU.

Then what do you think we realistically could have offered to compete with that? Please humor me.

Nothing. Paul was already going to sign with the Rockets. There was nothing we could offer.

[M-C-G]

I think it's more about the lack of assets we had to offer. I know they didn't get a ton from HOU, but it's prolly better than what we would have offered.

It has nothing to do with the assets guys. The Clippers had ZERO leverage. Paul could either opt out and they lose him for nothing or he could opt in and they could trade him for pennies on the dollar to a team of Paul's choosing.

There were probably two teams he was interested in, SAS and HOU and he picked HOU.

Then what do you think we realistically could have offered to compete with that? Please humor me.

There was never an offer to be made, because if the Bucks would have brought the best offer, Paul was opting out and signing as a FA (hence all the smoke with Houston lining up teams to dump Anderson salary). If Paul would have gone back to the Clippers and said, "I'll go to Houston or Milwaukee", we certainly could have thrown Thon, Brogdon, Monroe, Jabari, picks or whatever their pleasure was, but like I said, it appears that it was never up to the Clippers, they were just making lemonade.

[M-C-G]

this is currently the roster for the Clips...

PG
1. Austin Rivers
2. Lou Williams
3. Raymond Felton
4. Jawun Evans
5. DeAndre Liggins
SG
1. Patrick Beverley
2. J.J. Redick
3. Jamal Crawford
4. Darrun Hilliard
5. Tim Quarterman
SF
1. Luc Mbah a Moute
2. Sam Dekker
3. Wes Johnson
4. Paul Pierce
5. Alan Anderson
6. Ryan Kelly
PF
1. Blake Griffin
2. Brandon Bass
3. Montrezl Harrell
4. Brice Johnson
5. Kyle Wiltjer
C
1. DeAndre Jordan
2. Marreese Speights
3. Diamond Stone

Like 10 of those guys are getting their options declined, but what I am taking away from this, there is no room for a quantity for their quality trade.

[humanrefutation]

I'd love to see what he can do when he isn't pressured to be one of the guys. If he can be athletic and shoot ~38-40% from three, he's worth a tiny gamble.

I'm not sure how much less pressure they could have put on him actually. He was never in their top 3 for FGA, and the last two years they have tried to replace him like 5 times. Cassipi, Bellinelli, Seth Curry, Afflalo, Temple, Malachai, Hield

I'm all for taking a flyer, but too much pressure on being the guy, doesn't really feel apt.

I don't quite agree with your narrower interpretation of the concept of "pressure." Looking at minutes and FGA numbers only tells one aspect of the story - one that reflects your contributions to the team on a night-to-night basis.

There's another aspect of "pressure" though that I'm focusing on - McLemore was a top 10 pick by Sactown that came with massive expectations. He participated in the the dunk contest and was playing 32 mpg during his Sophomore season. Sure, his minutes and attempts have gone down the last couple years, but it has to feel a bit humiliating to let down the team that drafted you 7th overall, watching them attempt to replace you with another young wing. Sometimes, you need a change of scenery and you need to go to a place where you don't have that baggage - where you can just be one of the guys and work on your game without fans and coaches and an idiot owner bemoaning your inconsistency.

[LikeABosh]

So is CP3 a coward for joining a team he couldn't beat in the playoffs too? Or are we only selectively outraged?

A superstar (possibly the 2nd or 3rd best player) joining a 73 win team is the issue. Him losing to that team a few months prior just makes it more pathetic

[blazza18]

We're a 42 win team who are a Tony Snell contract away from paying the luxury tax. Rockets are a 55 win team who just added one of the best point guards of all time still playing at an elite level.


It's really hard to be good when you're run by idiots.

[LikeABosh]

Now the Melo to the Rockets rumors are ramping up.

No way I see Melo going there if Dantoni is there

[chonestown]

We're a 42 win team who are a Tony Snell contract away from paying the luxury tax. Rockets are a 55 win team who just added one of the best point guards of all time still playing at an elite level.


It's really hard to be good when you're run by idiots.

Counterpoint: Phil Jackson has 11 titles.

[M-C-G]

I'd love to see what he can do when he isn't pressured to be one of the guys. If he can be athletic and shoot ~38-40% from three, he's worth a tiny gamble.

I'm not sure how much less pressure they could have put on him actually. He was never in their top 3 for FGA, and the last two years they have tried to replace him like 5 times. Cassipi, Bellinelli, Seth Curry, Afflalo, Temple, Malachai, Hield

I'm all for taking a flyer, but too much pressure on being the guy, doesn't really feel apt.

I don't quite agree with your narrower interpretation of the concept of "pressure." Looking at minutes and FGA numbers only tells one aspect of the story - one that reflects your contributions to the team on a night-to-night basis.

There's another aspect of "pressure" though that I'm focusing on - McLemore was a top 10 pick by Sactown that came with massive expectations. He participated in the the dunk contest and was playing 32 mpg during his Sophomore season. Sure, his minutes and attempts have gone down the last couple years, but it has to feel a bit humiliating to let down the team that drafted you 7th overall, watching them attempt to replace you with another young wing. Sometimes, you need a change of scenery and you need to go to a place where you don't have that baggage - where you can just be one of the guys and work on your game without fans and coaches and an idiot owner bemoaning your inconsistency.

Yeah, I think your interpretation of "being the guy" is way too broad and you are just seeing the NBA as a business...No different than what MCW went through, hell even Stauskas went through on that team. I don't disagree about a change in scenery or the dysfunction of the Kings, but this feels more like you are making excuses for a guy that didn't live up to his potential.

At no point was he "the guy" on that team playing with IT, Gay, Cousins, Collinson, at no point did they have the pressure of having to perform while winning, and frankly the cloud cover of the dysfunction probably gave him more shielding than anything else.

[Baddy Chuck]

Clippers are an interesting groups of dudes who probably don't wanna be there with Paul gone. Lou Will, Beverly, Jordan would be nice targets.

[Frank Nova]

We're a 42 win team who are a Tony Snell contract away from paying the luxury tax. Rockets are a 55 win team who just added one of the best point guards of all time still playing at an elite level.


It's really hard to be good when you're run by idiots.

Rockets also have a 28yr old superstar in the midst of his prime years that carries the team with an average supporting cast. We have a 22yr old superstar still 3yrs away from entering the beginning of his prime that carries the team with an average supporting cast. Time is on our side by a huge margin over Houston. An elite PG doesn't make us better than Cleveland and Chris Paul still doesn't make Houston better than Golden State. I disagree entirely with the point you're trying to make that Houston is this juggernaut organization compared to Milwaukee.

[humanrefutation]

I'm not sure how much less pressure they could have put on him actually. He was never in their top 3 for FGA, and the last two years they have tried to replace him like 5 times. Cassipi, Bellinelli, Seth Curry, Afflalo, Temple, Malachai, Hield

I'm all for taking a flyer, but too much pressure on being the guy, doesn't really feel apt.

I don't quite agree with your narrower interpretation of the concept of "pressure." Looking at minutes and FGA numbers only tells one aspect of the story - one that reflects your contributions to the team on a night-to-night basis.

There's another aspect of "pressure" though that I'm focusing on - McLemore was a top 10 pick by Sactown that came with massive expectations. He participated in the the dunk contest and was playing 32 mpg during his Sophomore season. Sure, his minutes and attempts have gone down the last couple years, but it has to feel a bit humiliating to let down the team that drafted you 7th overall, watching them attempt to replace you with another young wing. Sometimes, you need a change of scenery and you need to go to a place where you don't have that baggage - where you can just be one of the guys and work on your game without fans and coaches and an idiot owner bemoaning your inconsistency.

Yeah, I think your interpretation of "being the guy" is way too broad and you are just seeing the NBA as a business...No different than what MCW went through, hell even Stauskas went through on that team. I don't disagree about a change in scenery or the dysfunction of the Kings, but this feels more like you are making excuses for a guy that didn't live up to his potential.

At no point was he "the guy" on that team playing with IT, Gay, Cousins, Collinson, at no point did they have the pressure of having to perform while winning, and frankly the cloud cover of the dysfunction probably gave him more shielding than anything else.

I never said he was "the guy." I said he was "one of the guys", which is undisputed unless you believe that the Kings drafted him 7th overall to be a role player. Which, knowing the Kings, isn't entirely implausible, but still.

I'm also not "making excuses" for him. I said he was a gamble worth taking on a cheap contract (because of his youth, his athleticism, because of his improving three point shooting, and because I don't trust the Kings ability to develop young talent when they have had four head coaches in four years). By calling him a gamble, that implies that there is a risk he will fall flat on his face. But I believe that it's worth taking because the potential rewards outweigh the potential risks by a considerable degree.

[emunney]

So is CP3 a coward for joining a team he couldn't beat in the playoffs too? Or are we only selectively outraged?

Certainly the outrage will be selective. People will justify it because he is loading up to try and beat the super power, not join the super power.

It's the same thing to a FAR lesser degree. You guys need to stop being willfully dense about the difference between joining a good team and the winningest team of all time.

[M-C-G]

So is CP3 a coward for joining a team he couldn't beat in the playoffs too? Or are we only selectively outraged?

Certainly the outrage will be selective. People will justify it because he is loading up to try and beat the super power, not join the super power.

It's the same thing to a FAR lesser degree. You guys need to stop being willfully dense about the difference between joining a good team and the winningest team of all time.

I know the difference, but it doesn't make a difference to me. It just doesn't upset me. Lebron leaving Cleveland wouldn't even have upset me except for I know tons of people in Cleveland and he absolutely embarrassed the entire city on some self serving national "reveal"

[M-C-G]

But I believe that it's worth taking because the potential rewards outweigh the potential risks by a considerable degree.

Here we are the same page, I've got no problem with trying to get him at a good price and see if there is something there. And I don't dispute that a fresh start can get someone's career back on track, Snell is a pretty good example and I am sure there are bunches of others.

[emunney]

Certainly the outrage will be selective. People will justify it because he is loading up to try and beat the super power, not join the super power.

It's the same thing to a FAR lesser degree. You guys need to stop being willfully dense about the difference between joining a good team and the winningest team of all time.

I know the difference, but it doesn't make a difference to me. It just doesn't upset me. Lebron leaving Cleveland wouldn't even have upset me except for I know tons of people in Cleveland and he absolutely embarrassed the entire city on some self serving national "reveal"

Why doesn't it make a difference to you? In the fallout from both of these player moves, one of these teams is beatable and one is not. As an NBA fan: meh?