Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central

[eddieheatfan]

IndoorOutdoor is wAtcHoUt's cousin from the big apple.

I do remember IndoorOutdoor from a while back .. not sure if any of his sources have panned out though. Anyway, looked up his posts and found that BBallFreak had vouched for him a while back, interestingly enough in a thread with rumors of a trade with the Clips

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=815625&start=60#p16757790

Spoiler:

Guys, I know IndoorOutdoor pretty well and I can vouch for him. He does have some connections and has been able to call things in the past. No, he's not 100% accurate, but he's worth listening to.

It makes sense, on top of it all. We know that Riley loves Brand. We know that their have been rumblings that Riley does not love Beasley. Then, this morning, this article gets posted on ESPN.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3459696" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Face it, us trading down and trying to acquire Brand is a very real possibility. The question I have is what will the filler be and are we trying to get the 7th pick as well?

One thing is for sure though, we are finding out this pick's maximum value. That cannot be considered a bad thing.

I had dealings with him quite awhile back. He was able to get me in touch with Lamar Odom back when he was on the team. He's legitimate to a degree. He does have some sources within the organization.

Can't promise he's 100% accurate. He never claimed to be, himself, but there is a certain level of legitimacy to the guy. Take it with a grain of salt (and honestly, you and I both know that it's Riley's intention to make this happen) but at least understand that the source isn't a complete fraud.

As for the rumor, looking at our cap structure, if we waive Ellington we end up with about $41.1 million in space. If we can attach Winslow to McBob and send them to LA for Griffin, we'd be able to give BG and GH each $24.9 million. That's not enough. They'd be leaving millions on the table, which they shouldn't do. Maybe Riley is able to include Tyler as well, but even then you're only talking about $27.8 million. You'd have to waive both White and McGruder in order to get them to the max, but look what we've done to our team:

Pg: Dragic
Sg: Richardson
Sf: Hayward
Pf: Griffin
Cc: Whiteside / Bam

That would be it. And the only way we'd be able to add depth is with the Room Exception and minimum salaried guys.

Paper thin.

Maybe Riley works his magic and gets McGruder and White back (though I think McGruder would be able to go get more, pretty easily) but even then we have too many depth issues...

oh geez

[Wolfy1983]

Shouldn't even give Griffin a second thought. The guy is a glass player.

[SoFlaKingReal]

IndoorOutdoor is wAtcHoUt's cousin from the big apple.

I do remember IndoorOutdoor from a while back .. not sure if any of his sources have panned out though. Anyway, looked up his posts and found that BBallFreak had vouched for him a while back, interestingly enough in a thread with rumors of a trade with the Clips

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=815625&start=60#p16757790

Spoiler:

Guys, I know IndoorOutdoor pretty well and I can vouch for him. He does have some connections and has been able to call things in the past. No, he's not 100% accurate, but he's worth listening to.

It makes sense, on top of it all. We know that Riley loves Brand. We know that their have been rumblings that Riley does not love Beasley. Then, this morning, this article gets posted on ESPN.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3459696" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Face it, us trading down and trying to acquire Brand is a very real possibility. The question I have is what will the filler be and are we trying to get the 7th pick as well?

One thing is for sure though, we are finding out this pick's maximum value. That cannot be considered a bad thing.

I had dealings with him quite awhile back. He was able to get me in touch with Lamar Odom back when he was on the team. He's legitimate to a degree. He does have some sources within the organization.

Can't promise he's 100% accurate. He never claimed to be, himself, but there is a certain level of legitimacy to the guy. Take it with a grain of salt (and honestly, you and I both know that it's Riley's intention to make this happen) but at least understand that the source isn't a complete fraud.

As for the rumor, looking at our cap structure, if we waive Ellington we end up with about $41.1 million in space. If we can attach Winslow to McBob and send them to LA for Griffin, we'd be able to give BG and GH each $24.9 million. That's not enough. They'd be leaving millions on the table, which they shouldn't do. Maybe Riley is able to include Tyler as well, but even then you're only talking about $27.8 million. You'd have to waive both White and McGruder in order to get them to the max, but look what we've done to our team:

Pg: Dragic
Sg: Richardson
Sf: Hayward
Pf: Griffin
Cc: Whiteside / Bam

That would be it. And the only way we'd be able to add depth is with the Room Exception and minimum salaried guys.

Paper thin.

Maybe Riley works his magic and gets McGruder and White back (though I think McGruder would be able to go get more, pretty easily) but even then we have too many depth issues...

We would have to move Dragic instead.

[BBallFreak]

I do remember IndoorOutdoor from a while back .. not sure if any of his sources have panned out though. Anyway, looked up his posts and found that BBallFreak had vouched for him a while back, interestingly enough in a thread with rumors of a trade with the Clips

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=815625&start=60#p16757790

Spoiler:

I had dealings with him quite awhile back. He was able to get me in touch with Lamar Odom back when he was on the team. He's legitimate to a degree. He does have some sources within the organization.

Can't promise he's 100% accurate. He never claimed to be, himself, but there is a certain level of legitimacy to the guy. Take it with a grain of salt (and honestly, you and I both know that it's Riley's intention to make this happen) but at least understand that the source isn't a complete fraud.

As for the rumor, looking at our cap structure, if we waive Ellington we end up with about $41.1 million in space. If we can attach Winslow to McBob and send them to LA for Griffin, we'd be able to give BG and GH each $24.9 million. That's not enough. They'd be leaving millions on the table, which they shouldn't do. Maybe Riley is able to include Tyler as well, but even then you're only talking about $27.8 million. You'd have to waive both White and McGruder in order to get them to the max, but look what we've done to our team:

Pg: Dragic
Sg: Richardson
Sf: Hayward
Pf: Griffin
Cc: Whiteside / Bam

That would be it. And the only way we'd be able to add depth is with the Room Exception and minimum salaried guys.

Paper thin.

Maybe Riley works his magic and gets McGruder and White back (though I think McGruder would be able to go get more, pretty easily) but even then we have too many depth issues...

We would have to move Dragic instead.

To where? For what? And where is our next point guard going to come from?

If we're getting those two guys, they're going to want to play with Dragic and Whiteside.

[islandHEAT]

Riley said there was a Plan A & Plan B.

I am assuming signing our guys is Plan B, so whom is Plan A? Hayward or Griffin?

Or Pat is just a lint licking liar....

[BBallFreak]

Riley said there was a Plan A & Plan B.

I am assuming signing our guys is Plan B, so whom is Plan A? Hayward or Griffin?

Or Pat is just a lint licking liar....

Riley's gonna Riley. You just got to accept that he won't tell you the truth. He's going to do what he needs to do to make this team the best in the league, even if that's not quite realistic.

[SoFlaKingReal]

I had dealings with him quite awhile back. He was able to get me in touch with Lamar Odom back when he was on the team. He's legitimate to a degree. He does have some sources within the organization.

Can't promise he's 100% accurate. He never claimed to be, himself, but there is a certain level of legitimacy to the guy. Take it with a grain of salt (and honestly, you and I both know that it's Riley's intention to make this happen) but at least understand that the source isn't a complete fraud.

As for the rumor, looking at our cap structure, if we waive Ellington we end up with about $41.1 million in space. If we can attach Winslow to McBob and send them to LA for Griffin, we'd be able to give BG and GH each $24.9 million. That's not enough. They'd be leaving millions on the table, which they shouldn't do. Maybe Riley is able to include Tyler as well, but even then you're only talking about $27.8 million. You'd have to waive both White and McGruder in order to get them to the max, but look what we've done to our team:

Pg: Dragic
Sg: Richardson
Sf: Hayward
Pf: Griffin
Cc: Whiteside / Bam

That would be it. And the only way we'd be able to add depth is with the Room Exception and minimum salaried guys.

Paper thin.

Maybe Riley works his magic and gets McGruder and White back (though I think McGruder would be able to go get more, pretty easily) but even then we have too many depth issues...

We would have to move Dragic instead.

To where? For what? And where is our next point guard going to come from?

If we're getting those two guys, they're going to want to play with Dragic and Whiteside.

I agree, but we can't shred the entire team...maybe Dragic to Minnesota with Ricky Rubio a part of the return? Idk Minny's cap situation though.

[J-House]

Riley said there was a Plan A & Plan B.

I am assuming signing our guys is Plan B, so whom is Plan A? Hayward or Griffin?

Or Pat is just a lint licking liar....

What the French toast?

[Mos_Heat]

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[twix2500]

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Thats the only way I see Dion taking a friendly deal if its long term. Now If he willing to take 60 mill. This year can start off around 9 mill and end around 15

[BBallFreak]

I agree, but we can't shred the entire team...maybe Dragic to Minnesota with Ricky Rubio a part of the return? Idk Minny's cap situation though.

Minny's got space, but we'd have to drop Dragic for nothing in order to make that work. No player's coming back.

Look, what I outlined saw us dealing
McBob - 6
Winslow - 2.75
TJ - 5.8
White - 1.3
McGruder - 1.3

That's $17.5 in salary going out. Maybe Utah accepts Dragic in exchange for Hayward. Othewise, we have to dump him for nothing...

[Wiltside]

Dumping young guys like Winslow and JRich in salary dumps is a bad idea. In today's NBA, you need guys who can significantly outperform their pay to allow you to build a contender. Rookie scale salaries are the best way to do that.

[SoFlaKingReal]

I agree, but we can't shred the entire team...maybe Dragic to Minnesota with Ricky Rubio a part of the return? Idk Minny's cap situation though.

Minny's got space, but we'd have to drop Dragic for nothing in order to make that work. No player's coming back.

Look, what I outlined saw us dealing
McBob - 6
Winslow - 2.75
TJ - 5.8
White - 1.3
McGruder - 1.3

That's $17.5 in salary going out. Maybe Utah accepts Dragic in exchange for Hayward. Othewise, we have to dump him for nothing...

I see....well I guess Utah would be open to it with George Hill a free agent and Dragic on a decent long term deal. I would definitely rather have Winslow, TJ, McGruder, White than JUST Dragic. However, if Dragic is one of Riley's main selling points then idk. At that point you have to think we would be better off just keeping what we have.

[BBallFreak]

I agree, but we can't shred the entire team...maybe Dragic to Minnesota with Ricky Rubio a part of the return? Idk Minny's cap situation though.

Minny's got space, but we'd have to drop Dragic for nothing in order to make that work. No player's coming back.

Look, what I outlined saw us dealing
McBob - 6
Winslow - 2.75
TJ - 5.8
White - 1.3
McGruder - 1.3

That's $17.5 in salary going out. Maybe Utah accepts Dragic in exchange for Hayward. Othewise, we have to dump him for nothing...

I see....well I guess Utah would be open to it with George Hill a free agent and Dragic on a decent long term deal. I would definitely rather have Winslow, TJ, McGruder, White than JUST Dragic. However, if Dragic is one of Riley's main selling points then idk. At that point you have to think we would be better off just keeping what we have.

But if they lose Hayward, why do that want Dragic? They're going to want young, rebuilding assets...

[SoFlaKingReal]

Who else would they have to pay other than Gobert? No free agents are going to be signing major deals with Utah.

[BBallFreak]

Who else would they have to pay other than Gobert? No free agents are going to be signing major deals with Utah.

Doesn't mean they want to make that kind of move. They'll have contingency plans for a rebuild if Hayward leaves, and taking on aging veterans with no assets attached won't be in that plan....

[SoFlaKingReal]

Who else would they have to pay other than Gobert? No free agents are going to be signing major deals with Utah.

Doesn't mean they want to make that kind of move. They'll have contingency plans for a rebuild if Hayward leaves, and taking on aging veterans with no assets attached won't be in that plan....

I hear ya....If only they were the Lakers offering Deng and Mozgov huge deals lol

[SoFlaKingReal]

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[Mukesh]

I would trade Dragic and McRoberts away, sign Griffin and Hayward, and trade Whiteside to Indiana for George and 2018 unprotected 1st round pick. Then sign Ellington with MLE.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theringer.com/amp/p/eeae6cd3b18d

Let Blake Griffin handle the ball more.

PG - JRich / TJ
SG - Hayward / TJ / Ellington
SF - George / McGruder / White
PF - Griffin / Winslow / Babbitt
C - Adebayo / Griffin / Haslem

[OtW]

Hoping for the best, but not really expecting a splash. Riley might be able to work some magic with Gordon Hayward, but the connection he has with BOS's head coach, and the assets they have to potentially get PG in a trade (if Ainge finally pulls the trigger, which he hasn't done for the last two years), really go against our case. Gordon doesn't seem to be the type of guy that will play somewhere because of night life/state tax considerations/warm weather. While all of those things are compelling, how he feels about BOS's flexibility is key. I would be ecstatic if we signed him, but I think we will retain who we have (JJ + Dion) while finding some more diamonds in the rough. I would be really shocked if he does not go to BOS. Ainge's assets attracting Hayward/making a trade for PG isn't necessarily an indictment on RIley's ability to speak to free agents. Like KD, he may like what we have to say, but the situation in BOS seems to line up perfectly for him. From what the sources have been saying on Twitter over the past few days, it sounds like a deal is already in place for PG (despite his hard-on for LA), but Ainge is just waiting for Gordon to sign before pulling the trigger.