PG Part II: The Summer of George

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There are VERY few "family men" in the NBA. Lol.

Yeah, not everyone can be Dwight Howard or Shawn Kemp.

[GregB]

There are VERY few "family men" in the NBA. Lol.

Yeah, not everyone can be Dwight Howard or Shawn Kemp.

Yeah Dwight was banging some nasty porn stars. I remember he had some controversy with Marey Carey who infamously ran for governor of California. She was well past her prime at the time and I felt like Dwight could find much better random strange than that any day of the week.

He strikes me that he is like Tiger Woods, major sex addict.

[Taget]

Why do I get the feeling that we will be surprised George is suddenly traded by IND to another team as the Hayward thing is taking too long?

Because fans are a lot more impatient than teams. I don't think that's a rational fear though. IND is going to pass up a chance to get a deal they like more when they already waited past the draft because they don't want to wait 1 more week? Not buying that even slightly. If there was a deadline, it was at the draft and they already waited past that. If a deal for George happens now, think it's a sign either Lakers panicked and offered Ball or Ingram, or the Celtics talks were never really very close to begin with. I'd be shocked if IND blew up a deal they liked most because they don't feel like waiting an extra week, though.

Pritchard came out and said if they had to take George into training camp waiting for better offers, they were willing to do that. FWIW. They don't want to get ****** in the ass more than they already have. I guess they hold some leverage since George is the only star seemingly available in the market and teams willing to take the risk could still bid for him.

In most situations waiting until the trade deadline is the best move. This is one of the few cases where it isn't. The universe of teams is limited to "contenders" though you may an odd team without a draft pick who thinks they may reach the playoffs and sell a few more tickets. The amount a "contender" is willing to screw with chemistry goes down and anyone with draft picks is already in the process of falling in love with players. With FA signing period over the ability to plug holes has also limited itself. The assets you get back also in some ways limit themselves. Avery Bradley a year out (who can then be traded again at the trade deadline) is a better asset than an Avery Bradley who you can either re-sign or extend.

Our offer and that of almost any other team will be better now. If Paul George was more willing to extend for teams he is traded to and wasn't seen as an extreme flight risk and he had another year on his contract then yes. Wait for the trade deadline. Another thing to keep in mind is Indiana wants to get as bad as they can right away. So less games played by PG the better.

And by the same token teams will feel better able to have hope of making their rental permanent the sooner they get him. Chances are the package we offer now, the package we offer at training camp, and the package we offer at the trading deadline has a better chance of growing worse rather than better.

Last and a consideration to be considered especially in light of what happened with Butler. If in doubt teams trading franchise players prefer to trade out of conference. That way they are less likely to be "haunted" by them. If Indiana is unsure whether to go with Boston or Houston it will be Houston. They may event take a lesser offer from Houston over one from Boston.

[Froob]

There are VERY few "family men" in the NBA. Lol.

Yeah, not everyone can be Dwight Howard or Shawn Kemp.

Yeah Dwight was banging some nasty porn stars. I remember he had some controversy with Marey Carey who infamously ran for governor of California. She was well past her prime at the time and I felt like Dwight could find much better random strange than that any day of the week.

He strikes me that he is like Tiger Woods, major sex addict.

Sex addict, right lol. I'm sure it's a real thing but it's a hard sell that he isn't just a dirt bag.

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There are VERY few "family men" in the NBA. Lol.

Yeah, not everyone can be Dwight Howard or Shawn Kemp.

Yeah Dwight was banging some nasty porn stars. I remember he had some controversy with Marey Carey who infamously ran for governor of California. She was well past her prime at the time and I felt like Dwight could find much better random strange than that any day of the week.

I was not aware of his history with porn stars, nasty or otherwise.

I was actually referring to the fact that he has 5 kids by 5 different women (Kemp has somewhere between 7 and 11 kids). You know, a real "family man".

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[gman5589]

Because fans are a lot more impatient than teams. I don't think that's a rational fear though. IND is going to pass up a chance to get a deal they like more when they already waited past the draft because they don't want to wait 1 more week? Not buying that even slightly. If there was a deadline, it was at the draft and they already waited past that. If a deal for George happens now, think it's a sign either Lakers panicked and offered Ball or Ingram, or the Celtics talks were never really very close to begin with. I'd be shocked if IND blew up a deal they liked most because they don't feel like waiting an extra week, though.

Pritchard came out and said if they had to take George into training camp waiting for better offers, they were willing to do that. FWIW. They don't want to get ****** in the ass more than they already have. I guess they hold some leverage since George is the only star seemingly available in the market and teams willing to take the risk could still bid for him.

In most situations waiting until the trade deadline is the best move. This is one of the few cases where it isn't. The universe of teams is limited to "contenders" though you may an odd team without a draft pick who thinks they may reach the playoffs and sell a few more tickets. The amount a "contender" is willing to screw with chemistry goes down and anyone with draft picks is already in the process of falling in love with players. With FA signing period over the ability to plug holes has also limited itself. The assets you get back also in some ways limit themselves. Avery Bradley a year out (who can then be traded again at the trade deadline) is a better asset than an Avery Bradley who you can either re-sign or extend.

Our offer and that of almost any other team will be better now. If Paul George was more willing to extend for teams he is traded to and wasn't seen as an extreme flight risk and he had another year on his contract then yes. Wait for the trade deadline. Another thing to keep in mind is Indiana wants to get as bad as they can right away. So less games played by PG the better.

And by the same token teams will feel better able to have hope of making their rental permanent the sooner they get him. Chances are the package we offer now, the package we offer at training camp, and the package we offer at the trading deadline has a better chance of growing worse rather than better.

Last and a consideration to be considered especially in light of what happened with Butler. If in doubt teams trading franchise players prefer to trade out of conference. That way they are less likely to be "haunted" by them. If Indiana is unsure whether to go with Boston or Houston it will be Houston. They may event take a lesser offer from Houston over one from Boston.

I back this argument 100%. This isn't the first time an Eastern franchise will save face from embarrassment transferring players to another division by bypassing that and irrationally shipping them to the West (see: Butler to Minny). Irrationality is mainstream for NBA owners and GMs today - hence why 90% of them are just in it for profits. Cousins to the Pels - awful trade for SAC.

Like I said in a previous post, digital and social media has made it impossible to avoid embarassment/accountability/public scrutinity from bad decisions or egregious PR nightmares on the part of GMs. Who wants to be the next Billy King in their conference? Love Kevin McHale, but who wants to gift a star anymore for low assets? There's a reason Billy King and McHale aren't GMs anymore.

Do the Pacers really want to face George in the East from another superteam power, or would they rather package them West and avoid that debacle as much as they can? At the expense of a slightly worse offer, IND is going to minimize their embarrassment in this offseason. It's unfortunate that GMs don't care about the best packages anymore, and instead manuever perceptions to best save their jobs long-term.

[sam_I_am]

I think one of the reasons Bird stepped down when he did is so that Indiana could trade with Boston and get the best deal. Obviously, Bird knew George was leaving and there was no way he was willing to get the same crap McHale got after KG trade. I'm sure at his age he wasn't up for another tear down and rebuild either.

[GregB]

Yeah, not everyone can be Dwight Howard or Shawn Kemp.

Yeah Dwight was banging some nasty porn stars. I remember he had some controversy with Marey Carey who infamously ran for governor of California. She was well past her prime at the time and I felt like Dwight could find much better random strange than that any day of the week.

He strikes me that he is like Tiger Woods, major sex addict.

Sex addict, right lol. I'm sure it's a real thing but it's a hard sell that he isn't just a dirt bag.

You certainly can be a sex addict and a major dirtbag. I would argue most are because you have to make your own choices. But I do believe that's a thing. I really think Children having such easy access to hardcore pornography isn't healthy and has been a bit of a catalyst for greater addiction. Similar to how Children that over use technology at a young age often have poor communication skills as they get older.

Sorry for OT, back to Hayward and George lol

[GregB]

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Looks like Plan E could be in trouble

Rudy Gay isn't better than Jae Crowder. So I don't really care about him. My plan E is Ibaka or Taj Gibson.

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Looks like Plan E could be in trouble

Rudy Gay isn't better than Jae Crowder. So I don't really care about him. My plan E is Ibaka or Taj Gibson.

Yeah using the cap space to R&E Bradley and IT is above Gay on my plan alphabet.

[DoubleHappiness]

Marey Carey who infamously ran for governor of California.

Misread this as Mariah Carey. Read the rest of the thread smh thinking someone would kick her out of bed. "I mean, it's Mariah, you do it just to say you did it, right? Maybe get her to sign a poster."

Went back to quote you. Makes much more sense now.

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Yeah Dwight was banging some nasty porn stars. I remember he had some controversy with Marey Carey who infamously ran for governor of California. She was well past her prime at the time and I felt like Dwight could find much better random strange than that any day of the week.

He strikes me that he is like Tiger Woods, major sex addict.

Sex addict, right lol. I'm sure it's a real thing but it's a hard sell that he isn't just a dirt bag.

You certainly can be a sex addict and a major dirtbag. I would argue most are because you have to make your own choices. But I do believe that's a thing. I really think Children having such easy access to hardcore pornography isn't healthy and has been a bit of a catalyst for greater addiction. Similar to how Children that over use technology at a young age often have poor communication skills as they get older.

Sorry for OT, back to Hayward and George lol

I'll just add that I have a good friend who has struggled with sex addiction his entire adult life. He's managed it as well you can (i.e. no kids, no STDs) and he is anything but a dirt bag. Dude finally got it fully under control (as far controlling an addiction goes), got married, and is doing really well.

But yes, back to basketball...

[GregB]

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Would New York trade Melo for Ryan Anderson, spare parts and a pick? Because I think Melo is the only guy Morey has enough juice left for. I don't think that team does ****, but good luck to them.

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Looks like Plan E could be in trouble

Rudy Gay isn't better than Jae Crowder. So I don't really care about him. My plan E is Ibaka or Taj Gibson.

Yes to Gibson...maaaaayyyybbbeeeee to Ibaka...? I don't know, I'm just concerned about him possibly being older than claimed. Someone on this board put up a pretty good analysis in the past year that shows the timing and rate of his decline are similar to those of a guy who's 4-5 years older (i.e 30+ instead of late 20's).

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Would New York trade Melo for Ryan Anderson, spare parts and a pick? Because I think Melo is the only guy Morey has enough juice left for. I don't think that team does ****, but good luck to them.

Word is teams want 2 1st round picks to take on Andersons contract

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[ConstableGeneva]

Woj, you up???

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Would New York trade Melo for Ryan Anderson, spare parts and a pick? Because I think Melo is the only guy Morey has enough juice left for. I don't think that team does ****, but good luck to them.

Anderson + Quarterman + Kelly for Melo works salary wise.