Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Blake is worth the open market max; I can see why we'd consider it. We'd have to pitch Blake on being the #1 guy - a true "post-center" - with the caveat that he would probably be guarding the opposing team's center most nights.

It would be similar to when we brought vet Nash in to guide a core of Amare and Marion - the difference being that we did not also have Deron Williams and Rajon Rondo already on the roster. But BG would be the man on day 1, and I could see that as being appealing - if he's willing to take his lumps defensively down low.

The one big issue here is that fourth year. It makes sense why we wouldn't offer it to Millsap (see my rambling discussion earlier in this thread... our planning henceforth has to be all about the extension trifecta of 2021). But if we offered 4 years to Blake, we'd have to plan on on paying the luxury tax in 2021. We could not sign Blake with the idea that we would rehabilitate and trade him. 'Twould be a foolish approach.

I get it. It's not a bad idea. You run the risk of having to make some painful decisions in '21 - especially if, due to health or otherwise, it doesn't work!

[bwgood77]

I do not think we are a serious option for him. Like LeBron or Aldridge before, he is gonna give us a meeting, but we are a long long shot.

Millsap is a more realistic option.

I think either will have more attractive options. I know a bunch of teams want Millsap. I haven't heard any for Blake except Boston but they are focused first on Hayward and George...which is a bit odd considering they have Crowder, Tatum and Brown. They could use a big.

The Thunder is another option for Griffin. They want him.

Yeah, I just saw a Royce Young tweet. Not sure how much people want to play with Westbrook but he did go to Oklahoma and is from there...but being from Oklahoma then living in LA, you might not want to go back to Oklahoma. He seems to like Scottsdale.

Also, he could go to Miami...Dudley said this a little less than a month ago...

Although he ultimately expects his former teammate to sign back with the Clippers, Phoenix Suns forward Jared Dudley said if Griffin does decide to head elsewhere that the Heat could be the best alternative.

"Miami," Dudley said on an ESPN podcast, "is the only case scenario to be able to do if you say, 'Hey, you know what, I want to be the man of the team.' "

Dudley said such a decision would come into play as a tradeoff of salary in order to emerge as a leading man.

"What are his options?" Dudley said. "He could go to Miami and you can be the man and you’ve got [no] state tax. But that five-year max contract, you're going to lose about roughly $30 million. Right?"

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-blake-griffin-20170529-story.html

Since Blake is a poor rebounder and shot blocker, playing next to Whiteside makes all kind of sense.

[Fo-Real]

If we land Blake, I think we're letting Len walk and will trade Chandler.
Williams and Chriss will be our centers while Griffin and Bender will be our PF's.
This will also probably be enough to land McD his extension

If we sign Blake, I think we start talks on a trade for Deandre Jordan. During his meeting, Jordan's name is sure to come up, or else it will be Jordan holding Blake hostage in a house away from signing with us.

[Superhuman]

Minus the flopping, I do enjoy watching Griffin play. BG to PHX would be intriguing but I would rather see Chriss get all the minutes he can handle and develop rapidly. I just don't see how running BG at the 5 would work due to his D. I'd rather sit back and enjoy watching a rebuild than seeing us treadmill once again.

[Christine-In-AZ]

If Griffin does sign with Phoenix, it's not to play the 5. Well, that's not what he'll want to hear and not what McD/Sarver will offer...so they better not stick him at center or a hybrid version of it or we'll have another soap opera coming. Doubt he's coming, but if he does it'll be because he was offered a playmaker role.

Suns future PGs-

6'10" Griffin
5'7" Ulis
7'0" Bender

Suns future motto-

"Just Keep 'em Guessing"

[bigfoot]

Suns courting Griffin or Milsap for a max contract. We will have to dump a contract. I imagine the Suns already have Knight going somewhere and we are probably giving up one of the Miami picks in the contract dump. That would be the only way I could see moving Knight.

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[bigfoot]

If Griffin does sign with Phoenix, it's not to play the 5. Well, that's not what he'll want to hear and not what McD/Sarver will offer...so they better not stick him at center or a hybrid version of it or will have another soap opera coming. Doubt he's coming, but if he does it'll be because he was offered a playmaker role.

Suns future PGs-

6'10" Griffin
5'7" Ulis
7'0" Bender

Suns future motto-

"Just Keep 'em Guessing"

I'm guessing Chriss and/or Bender will slide to the 5 spot.

[MrMiyagi]

I gotta admit, Blake taking an interest in us is exciting.

If we get Blake, do we push for George? If we could get him for TJ/Knight/Barbosa/MIA 1st and PHX 1st

Bledsoe/Ulis
Booker/Reed
George/Jackson/DJJr
Blake/Chriss/Dudley
Tyson/Bender/Williams

We keep the majority of our young core, and two "superstars". It's tempting...

[kennydorglas]

Extend McDonough ASAP
please

[NTB]

The common thing with Blake and Millsap is they are both high assists PFs. (Blake 4.9 AST, Millsap 3.7 AST)

Also with Jackson pick and Ulis, Booker, Bender... We really want to increase our assists numbers.

[bigfoot]

These FA visits make sense. This is the Suns 50th anniversary and I can't imagine celebrating the big 50 while being on the outside of the playoffs looking in.

[Kerrsed]

I'm surprised there are people who are against signing Blake Griffin, but in favor of lesser players like Taj Gibson. That line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. If anyone is going to be taking time from our developing players it better be an all-star.

I see Blake as a good fit and think that our training staff can fix him. The Clippers are known to have one of the worst medical staffs in the league after all.

I don't know that many or any are against Blake but want Taj. I won't be disappointed if we sign Blake, but I'd probably rather just stick with the youth movement and let them gradually improve like GS and OKC did and then add a vet when they are on the cusp of the playoffs. The one thing I really do like with Blake is that he is a very willing passer. He is a pretty poor rebounder and doesn't block anything though so we'd suffer rebounding, though I imagine if we sign him we'll start Chandler for that purpose and Chriss would go back to the bench.

I was just reading an article that was stating the case for him playing C in a small ball rotation. They were explaining that his stats have dropped significantly in rebounds since the emergence of Jordan, and it played into the Clippers situation with Jordan firmly planted in the paint and gobbling up everything he could.

So i could totally see Blakes numbers rising and specially in the rebounds and blocks departments if he were to join the Suns. I mean his rookie season he was averaging over 12 rebounds (And almost 11 in his second season). Those same 2 seasons Jordan was only getting around 25 MPG and pulling in around 7 rebounds. Blakes 3rd season, his rebounds dipped a bit to 8 rebounds, all the while Jordans steadily increased. Looking at the numbers, the more Jordans rebounding went up, Blakes actually stayed steady at around 8, so im pinning this "Lack of rebounds" on Jordans dominance on the glass and in the paint.

Blake on our team should be able to average around 25/10/5 easily, and i would be happy as hell.

[ATTL]

As long as we dont trade young players or picks for a free agent in some idiotic sign and trade, I'm cool.

[bwgood77]

I'm surprised there are people who are against signing Blake Griffin, but in favor of lesser players like Taj Gibson. That line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. If anyone is going to be taking time from our developing players it better be an all-star.

I see Blake as a good fit and think that our training staff can fix him. The Clippers are known to have one of the worst medical staffs in the league after all.

I don't know that many or any are against Blake but want Taj. I won't be disappointed if we sign Blake, but I'd probably rather just stick with the youth movement and let them gradually improve like GS and OKC did and then add a vet when they are on the cusp of the playoffs. The one thing I really do like with Blake is that he is a very willing passer. He is a pretty poor rebounder and doesn't block anything though so we'd suffer rebounding, though I imagine if we sign him we'll start Chandler for that purpose and Chriss would go back to the bench.

I was just reading an article that was stating the case for him playing C in a small ball rotation. They were explaining that his stats have dropped significantly in rebounds and blocks since the emergence of Jordan, and it played into the Clippers situation with Jordan firmly planted in the paint and gobbling up everything he could.

So i could totally see Blakes numbers rising and specially in the rebounds and blocks departments if he were to join the Suns. I mean his rookie season he was averaging over 12 rebounds (And almost 11 in his second season). Those same 2 seasons Jordan was only getting around 25 MPG and pulling in around 7 rebounds. Blakes 3rd season, his rebounds dipped a bit to 8 rebounds, all the while Jordans steadily increased. Looking at the numbers, the more Jordans rebounding went up, Blakes actually stayed steady at around 8, so im pinning this "Lack of rebounds" on Jordans dominance on the glass and in the paint.

Blake on our team should be able to average around 25/10/5 easily, and i would be happy as hell.

Yeah, I was looking at his stats earlier thinking that DeAndre probably impacted his rebounds. He's certainly not a rim protector though so we'd be hurting in that department.

[Villalobos]

Millsap: **** no. Total Sarver move that makes no sense. He's not going to move the needle much, and his effectiveness could nosedive at any minute due to his age.

Blake: **** yeah. If you can sign a player that good--who's not that old--without having to give up your young guys, do it.

Apparently the Suns want to give Millsap a three year deal, so neither guy will likely sign. Sacramento would probably be willing to do a four year max.

[rsavaj]

I gotta admit, Blake taking an interest in us is exciting.

If we get Blake, do we push for George? If we could get him for TJ/Knight/Barbosa/MIA 1st and PHX 1st

Bledsoe/Ulis
Booker/Reed
George/Jackson/DJJr
Blake/Chriss/Dudley
Tyson/Bender/Williams

We keep the majority of our young core, and two "superstars". It's tempting...

that would be ideal but I don't think Indy does any deal without getting either Chriss or Bender back. If I'm McD I'm not giving up either for PG(who will most likely leave for LA the next year).

[bwgood77]

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I was going to ask where that quote was of Watson saying something about development now, winning later or something like that.

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Very easy actually.
Minute distribution:
Bledsoe (28) Ulis (20)
Booker (32) Jackson (16)
Warren (30) Jackson (10) Bender (8)
Blake (28) Bender (20)
Chriss (28) Chandler (20)

I know no one wants Jackson to be a backup but I feel Warren is going to explode this year. Jackson will get plenty of time behind Booker and Warren though, and playing 26 minutes for a rookie is pretty substantial amount. Bender gets his time share in at the 3/4, and Chriss moves to center since he is steroids this summer and is going through a Dwight Howard like transformation. Chandler is only playing 20 minutes a night.
Also, I gave Bledsoe and Griffin under 30 minutes so it lowers their risk of injury.