Bucks ownership: Lowe/Windhorst ESPN piece pg 5

[MickeyDavis]

It sucks that the Bucks fanbase has MANY more casual fans than hardcore fans (like us here). So when LED is hearing people freak out and get excited because, "OMG, WE MADE THE PLAYOFFS", they think they're doing a good job.

Unfortunately a long running lack of success will create the casual/hardcore imbalance.

[MickeyDavis]

I remember thinking how cool the Nets were. New billionaire business man owner, new arena, new unis, etc. When LED came in I had a similar feeling. I hope we don't have a similar fate.

Unfortunately, we have some ties to that Nets organization (Lasry, Kidd, Thorn).

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

[trwi7]

Another big problem is our pussy local media who doesn't hold the team to a higher standard, like they do with the Packers. Anytime the franchise does something stupid or questionable, everybody turns their cheek. No questioning them during interviews. No newspaper articles. Nothing.

They are never held accountable by the media or the casual fans.

Remember earlier this year when they lost like 10 of 11 or whatever it was and Gary D'Amato was going to write a column about how bad the team was and then they started winning again so he decided not to?

[Iheartfootball]

This whole thing reminds me of that episode of Simpsons.

Milwaukee is North Haverbrook. The new arena is the monorail.

[Iheartfootball]

Another big problem is our pussy local media who doesn't hold the team to a higher standard, like they do with the Packers. Anytime the franchise does something stupid or questionable, everybody turns their cheek. No questioning them during interviews. No newspaper articles. Nothing.

They are never held accountable by the media or the casual fans.

Remember earlier this year when they lost like 10 of 11 or whatever it was and Gary D'Amato was going to write a column about how bad the team was and then they started winning again so he decided not to?

Someone did say that right? At least Gardner is gone. Think Velazquez would write anything critical? Could be a great way to establish himself.

[MickeyDavis]

A good way to establish himself would be to dig deep into the whole GM search debacle. Maybe he still will. But so far swing and a miss.

[MrHoneycutt]

Another big problem is our pussy local media who doesn't hold the team to a higher standard, like they do with the Packers. Anytime the franchise does something stupid or questionable, everybody turns their cheek. No questioning them during interviews. No newspaper articles. Nothing.

They are never held accountable by the media or the casual fans.

Remember earlier this year when they lost like 10 of 11 or whatever it was and Gary D'Amato was going to write a column about how bad the team was and then they started winning again so he decided not to?

Someone did say that right? At least Gardner is gone. Think Velazquez would write anything critical? Could be a great way to establish himself.

So i think that was me, I actually wrote an email to Gary and cc'd ol' Chucky Gardner to badger them (read: pleading) for someone at the JS to take a wider view of all these issues during the losing streak, a longitudinal look at the mishaps of the franchise. He wrote me back and said that he was "all set to write a rip article on the Bucks, but then they won 4 of 6, and they had lost Beasley during the losing streak." Also of note, and of great humor to me, was when he noted that he did not "fear or consider ownership at all" when weighing how to report on the team (I had cited to him a then-recent article in the Denver Post that eviscerated Nuggets ownership over recent moves). So sadly, even if Velasquez has a mind to take a deeper look into things, I doubt it would get very far past the editing desk.

[econniption]

I wonder how the New York-based Bucks ownership group is looking at the current Knicks' GM search, which includes Ujiri, Griffin, and Presti.

[DavidDunn21]

Everything they do reeks of committee group-think, they put blue in the color scheme, they seem to be locked into some deep power struggle, they won't fire Kidd so the defense will always suck, even when they do the right thing I tend to feel like they're doing it for the wrong reasons.

On the other hand, we're not moving to Seattle.

[sdn40]

I don't give them credit for the business side.

Their return on investment for everything they have done will be ten fold, and the fans will pay for half of it. Kohl essentially gave them 100 million free of charge. Rich people get richer by using other people's money. They will turn out to be dumb like a fox. All of their money is sunk into things that will make them profit. Second round picks, not so much. Employees, not so much. Winning doesn't matter. Facilities matter. A basketball team with long term facilities funded by the public ... gold.
They are treating this team like an investment to a 'T'
That whole 'winning is everything' crap was to get the fans money - pure and simple
If winning was everything there wouldn't be a league source saying we low-balled potential GM's

[bigkurty]

From someone who formerly worked for LED:

"They have no clue; don't care about people. Year one and two was about family. Year three they could care less."

I mean you said formerly worked for.
Might be some hard feelings there.
Not sure I can trust said source.
Hell hath no fury like a former employee scorned.

[FlagsFlyForever]

I get pretty jealous listening and reading to what Steve Ballmer is doing for the Clippers. What could have been.

The Seattle SuperSonics?

[M-C-G]

From someone who formerly worked for LED:

"They have no clue; don't care about people. Year one and two was about family. Year three they could care less."

I mean you said formerly worked for.
Might be some hard feelings there.
Not sure I can trust said source.
Hell hath no fury like a former employee scorned.

Agreed but things are fracturing rapidly in the "where there is smoke there is fire" department.

They've now appeared to do multiple people dirty and appears to be a rift with the owners.

I went from;
These guys get it
These guys get it but they are new to owning
These guys are too smart not to get it
These guys are too smart to make these mistakes
These guys may not be very smart
These guys made a billion dollars?
These guys are at least smart enough not to ruin having Giannis
These guys may be too dumb too keep Giannis
These guys better get their **** together before I take a flame thrower to their houses

It's been a swift fall from grace


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[tski1972]

the moment they decided to bring Kidd in without anyone else's knowledge was a giant red flag.

glad the team is still in Milwaukee, but the grass isn't always greener.

[paulpressey25]

Want to see what happens the next ten days.

[CountMe3Outs]

NBA ownership brings to mind the quirky Jack Kent Cooke, who bought the L.A. Lakers from Bob Short. Cooke, a self-made man, insisted ALL things be done his way. Legend has it that if his employees didn’t answer their phones by the second ring, they risked termination.

Cooke even had a phone placed next to the coach on the Lakers bench, to offer game direction in real-time. He gave similar direction to his team broadcasters. He built the Fabulous Forum in late 1967 (recently renovated as a premier concert venue), and started American Cablevision, but his teams never achieved championships during his reign.

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The new Bucks ownership has excelled far better than any locals I could imagine in facilitating the design and construction of a great new arena, and in assembling a superb business staff. We have been relieved of the perpetual uncertainty of the Bucks being swept away, Irsay-style, during the darkness of night, to another destination. We no longer are under Ted Stepien-like team rule, no matter how well-intentioned.

I’m certainly willing to to tolerate their ascent up the NBA-ownership learning curve, given their collective capabilities and resources. We need to negotiate the tunnel before we can see the light at its end.

[trwi7]

Want to see what happens the next ten days.

So pp25 is Gary D'Amato.

[sdn40]

The new Bucks ownership has excelled far better than any locals I could imagine in facilitating the design and construction of a great new arena, and in assembling a superb business staff. We have been relieved of the perpetual uncertainty of the Bucks being swept away, Irsay-style, during the darkness of night, to another destination. We no longer are under Ted Stepien-like team rule, no matter how well-intentioned.

I’m certainly willing to to tolerate their ascent up the NBA-ownership learning curve, given their collective capabilities and resources. We need to negotiate the tunnel before we can see the light at its end.

Whatever you say Alex

[JEIS]

They let Hammond go. Had winning seasons 2 out of their first 3 years after inheriting a 15-win team. Actually convinced a big name free agent to come to Milwaukee.

They "let" Hammond go when he wanted to interview in Orlando. Then, they didn't have a plan for his departure.

Exactly.

This is like people giving Hammond credit for the Jennings/Mids trade, ignoring the fact that he offered Jennings a contract but he turned it down.

Same could be said about Giannis. We were trying to trade that pick for Josh Smith. How compleatley f#@! $@ would we be?

Could you imagine the locker room personalities and craptastic basketball?

Shortsighted thinking keeps us in this constant state of crap. We already have the cards stacked against us not being in a big city with nice weather.

The draft was our best shot of getting out of this mess... instead we make the playoffs 2 out of 3 years with Kidd while Giannis is developing. We need to chill out on signing 10 mil back ups, stop f#!@$ing selling draft picks, especially if you now have a d league team. These guys are too cheap to pay for talented proven entities in the front office and too pompas to get out of the way and let the people they hire do their jobs. The owners are more of a hindrance than a help in some aspects.

Write the players checks, make your money, and get the hell out of the way. If you can't trust the person doing their job, it shouldn't be their job. Hire quality individuals who are capable of great success.

Brag how fu#%ing .500 you are?

I could see the Edens "Process" thing looking pretty dumb in a few years if Philly continually is knocking us out of the playoffs.


I am waiting for a plot twist, Like Herb Kohl really didn't even sell the team. Kohl Hired them as a front, and has still been making managerial decisions.This is just another layer of crazy. Like Herb lives in a secret room in the BC with a black cloak while everyone has to stil seek his approval for decisions.

I don't give two craps about your free t-shirts, your half time shows, how many workers say hello as I walk to my seat.

I just want there to be a point where we win a championship. We had to watch Big dog, Ray, Sam all win one after they left.

You would also be able to sell tickets at full price, and a heck of a lot more merchandise.

I will continue to buy tickets to watch Giannis and Thon.... but having half of your payroll invested in Monroe Delly Telly Henson contributing what they did is a joke.

This is concerning and a reason to think you don't get it.

[paulpressey25]

Want to see what happens the next ten days.

So pp25 is Gary D'Amato.

The structure is still set up for a mess. But want to see if they navigate FA and pull something off. See how the rookies do in SL.

Plausible we are making or will make better FO decisions than when Hammond was here as part of the process. Not likely. But plausible.