Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[bwgood77]

After thinking about the knight situation it would be great if the changed the rules on buy outs and made that salary like a trade exemption. It would be great if you could use that players salary in a trade after a buy out. If that rule was in place i would have no problem buying him out tomorrow.

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It's also disappointing they didn't put the amnesty back in the new CBA.

[DirtyDez]

DATE DESCRIPTION
04/21/2017 Broken Toe
12/19/2016 Right Knee Surgery
12/09/2016 Right Knee Soreness
04/26/2016 Left Quadriceps
01/26/2016 Broken Hand
12/26/2015 Torn Left Quad
02/08/2015 Staph Infection
03/29/2014 Back Spasms

This is not counting meniscus surgery in 2012, knee cap surgery in 2009 and another knee surgery in college. There is just no way this doesn't end badly.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/blake-griffin-player-injuries

https://www.clipsnation.com/2012/7/23/3180133/new-information-on-blake-griffins-knee-surgery

[Puff]

I won't be on board the bandwagon because there's no doubt in my mind he could come in and we'd win 50 or so games, maybe grab a #4 seed. The problem for me is 2 or 3 years down the road when he's earning 3 times as much as Brandon Knight currently is and doing the same thing (sitting on the bench) due to injuries. You want to throw away all future flexibility so we can have a couple of good / decent seasons because we haven't been into the playoffs in 7 years you go right ahead. I'm still saying we should continue to build organically.

ALso, I'm a big Bender guy. You sign Blake and you may as well trade him. Forcing him to play 5 for the rest of his career isn't going to work. He's a stretch play-making 4.

And why would that happen?

My guess is that Bender would not be good enough to earn minutes by his play. I have high hopes for Bender as well and there will be plenty of minutes for Bender and Chriss, if they play well. If Draymond Green at his size can play center on a world Championship team Bender and Chriss ought to be able to play some minutes at center for the Phoenix Suns. The guys that should lose minutes will be Chandler and Alex Len. The center position in the NBA is being phased out and will be handled very differently in the future.

We have the opportunity to potentially sign a legit difference maker and some of you guys want no part of it. Quite unbelievable.

I am tired of 30 win seasons. I guess you guys just love it.

[Qwigglez]

I won't be on board the bandwagon because there's no doubt in my mind he could come in and we'd win 50 or so games, maybe grab a #4 seed. The problem for me is 2 or 3 years down the road when he's earning 3 times as much as Brandon Knight currently is and doing the same thing (sitting on the bench) due to injuries. You want to throw away all future flexibility so we can have a couple of good / decent seasons because we haven't been into the playoffs in 7 years you go right ahead. I'm still saying we should continue to build organically.

ALso, I'm a big Bender guy. You sign Blake and you may as well trade him. Forcing him to play 5 for the rest of his career isn't going to work. He's a stretch play-making 4.

Here's the problem I see. We won't have any flexibility regardless because we are likely going to extend TJ Warren by the end of the summer, and if we strike out again on top free agents probably going to keep Alan Williams and or Alex Len. So there goes all our flexibility, we keep the same exact team that won 24 games and are really really hoping our organic rebuild turns out like the Warriors or Thunder, and not like the Kings or even the Wolves (before KAT/Wiggins). I think signing a near superstar, injury riddled or not, is by far the less riskier route, especially with our medical/training staff.

[8on]

Honestly, I might rather have DeAndre Ayton than Blake Griffin. One's 18 and has no injury history, the other's 28 and has a laundry list of bang ups. Actually, what am I saying? Of course I'd rather have Ayton. This feels like basic arithmetic to me.

[Moochthemonkey]

DATE DESCRIPTION
04/21/2017 Broken Toe
12/19/2016 Right Knee Surgery
12/09/2016 Right Knee Soreness
04/26/2016 Left Quadriceps
01/26/2016 Broken Hand
12/26/2015 Torn Left Quad
02/08/2015 Staph Infection
03/29/2014 Back Spasms

This is not counting meniscus surgery in 2012, knee cap surgery in 2009 and another knee surgery in college. There is just no way this doesn't end badly.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/blake-griffin-player-injuries


https://www.clipsnation.com/2012/7/23/3180133/new-information-on-blake-griffins-knee-surgery

needless to say Griffin would have to pass a physical, but if the medical staff can help rehabilitate Grant Hill to a state where he can play three 80+ game seasons at 30 minutes a game in his late-ish 30s an even more devastating history of ankle and groin injuries with the Magic that almost caused him Hill to retire, then I can trust the staff can 'fix' Griffin. Again, barring everything checks out with him.

[DaleyBlind]

If our Medical Staff says he is OK. im fully behind the signing.

[8on]

Blake was my computer wallpaper back in high school, when he was at Oklahoma. I've always liked him, and I think he makes us better if healthy. That, however, is a big "if." Also, I want to stay bad until we get good naturally. Two years away from making the playoffs, at this rate, seems about right.

[Moochthemonkey]

Honestly, I might rather have DeAndre Ayton than Blake Griffin. One's 18 and has no injury history, the other's 28 and has a laundry list of bang ups. Actually, what am I saying? Of course I'd rather have Ayton. This feels like basic arithmetic to me.

don't forget the 'proven nba experience' variable in your algebra

[8on]

Honestly, I might rather have DeAndre Ayton than Blake Griffin. One's 18 and has no injury history, the other's 28 and has a laundry list of bang ups. Actually, what am I saying? Of course I'd rather have Ayton. This feels like basic arithmetic to me.

don't forget the 'proven nba experience' variable in your algebra

Bledsoe & Chandler.

[Moochthemonkey]

Honestly, I might rather have DeAndre Ayton than Blake Griffin. One's 18 and has no injury history, the other's 28 and has a laundry list of bang ups. Actually, what am I saying? Of course I'd rather have Ayton. This feels like basic arithmetic to me.

don't forget the 'proven nba experience' variable in your algebra

Bledsoe & Chandler.

??

[Kerrsed]

Honestly, I might rather have DeAndre Ayton than Blake Griffin. One's 18 and has no injury history, the other's 28 and has a laundry list of bang ups. Actually, what am I saying? Of course I'd rather have Ayton. This feels like basic arithmetic to me.

Cool, lets sign him!

Oh wait, we cant because he isnt in the NBA yet.

Ok, we'll just tank another season to get him!

Oh wait, there is no guarantee that we get the top pick.

Well we can trade a top player for the #1 pick!

Oh wait, we dont know if he wont pull a Giles and get injured in college like so many of the top prospects have been doing for the past 6 seasons.

[8on]

Honestly, I might rather have DeAndre Ayton than Blake Griffin. One's 18 and has no injury history, the other's 28 and has a laundry list of bang ups. Actually, what am I saying? Of course I'd rather have Ayton. This feels like basic arithmetic to me.

Cool, lets sign him!

Oh wait, we cant because he isnt in the NBA yet.

Ok, we'll just tank another season to get him!

Oh wait, there is no guarantee that we get the top pick.

Well we can trade a top player for the #1 pick!

Oh wait, we dont know if he wont pull a Giles and get injured in college like so many of the top prospects have been doing for the past 6 seasons.

Anything could happen next year. Getting Blake most likely takes us out of position to take someone like Ayton. That's all I'm saying.

[ruiner]

I say go get Blake. And I have confidence in our training staff. He can help this team win lot again and help raise back up the prestige of this great franchise (that hasn't won a title yet). While he won't be the franchise piece immediately puts us in position to win that elusive title, maybe he's apart of the team that does, or maybe not. But it's not just about that. It can send a loud and clear message about us again, a big FA wants to come here, sign with us ( if so ), most likely attract those pieces to go after one, and/or others now or in future. You need stars and more it seems. The fact that he would want to come to here talk to us amazing to me after everything.

NBA and losing and tanking can be like a blackhole you never get out for a long time with this system. I'm sick of it. I want the fun back and winning. We've got some good young pieces, star in Booker, but we may not even see a playoff title team come to fruition, and end up having to hit reset button again for how long knows. Booker gone. An opportunity is here that don't come along often.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I won't be on board the bandwagon because there's no doubt in my mind he could come in and we'd win 50 or so games, maybe grab a #4 seed. The problem for me is 2 or 3 years down the road when he's earning 3 times as much as Brandon Knight currently is and doing the same thing (sitting on the bench) due to injuries. You want to throw away all future flexibility so we can have a couple of good / decent seasons because we haven't been into the playoffs in 7 years you go right ahead. I'm still saying we should continue to build organically.

ALso, I'm a big Bender guy. You sign Blake and you may as well trade him. Forcing him to play 5 for the rest of his career isn't going to work. He's a stretch play-making 4.

Here's the problem I see. We won't have any flexibility regardless because we are likely going to extend TJ Warren by the end of the summer, and if we strike out again on top free agents probably going to keep Alan Williams and or Alex Len. So there goes all our flexibility, we keep the same exact team that won 24 games and are really really hoping our organic rebuild turns out like the Warriors or Thunder, and not like the Kings or even the Wolves (before KAT/Wiggins). I think signing a near superstar, injury riddled or not, is by far the less riskier route, especially with our medical/training staff.

I'm not opposed to signing Griffin because I do think he's an actual difference maker who's in his 20's and could be had for free so you might as well be opportunistic.

But if they don't get him and play their cap correctly they could have a ton of room in 2019 If they refrain from any deals that extend past 2018 over the next two years and some how find a way to clear that last year of Knight. In that scenario you could sign Warren to an extension either this summer or next year (I'm in favor of this) for say 10-12M then you would have the Booker extension for 20ish mil (you could actually create even more room if they wait until that summer to do that extension) and they would be the only high salary guys left on the books after Chandler, Dudley, Bledsoe all come off. You would still have Bender, Chriss, Jackson, and the two draft picks from next year on rookie deals and maybe the second rounders from this year if they structure their contracts like they did with Ulis. Ulis and Jones would be restricted FA's that summer with small cap hits. If the cap was in the low $100M's they would actually be close to having the room to bring two FA's close to the max to add to an exciting team of guys who are about to hit their primes.

That's certainly no lock to work but shooting for 2019 is a very clear and reasonable plan. And a clear plan would be a nice change of pace for this franchise that seems to be half stepping and swinging from rebuild to go for it every other offseason with no success.

[Scutt]

So Blake Griffin on the Clippers, playing with Chris Paul, cannot get past the 2nd round. Yet putting him on the Suns, with a baby Booker and a worse supporting cast is supposed to make us contenders? Add Griffin and we still might not make the playoffs. Do we really want to stunt the growth and development of Bender and Chriss just for a few possible first round playoff exits?

The Western conference has only gotten deeper and I honestly believe the Suns are not at the point of being one piece away from truly competing. If I am wrong and we are, I highly doubt that the piece is a 28 year old Blake Griffin, with injuries, seeking a large contract. The Suns need to show some restraint and self control, stick with that 2020 plan.

[thamadkant]

Watch Lowry go to Spurs.... and they somehow trade Aldridge for Melo (or after buyout)... giving them.
Lowry, Leonard, Melo and Gasol big 4.

The west is too stack.... Griffin will sell Jerseys and Tickets... but winning playoff series?... not next season.

[Hedda Gambler]

If Blake is a competitor, thois could turn out really great for you guys if he signs for you. The man has gone from being one of the most highly coveted players in the NBA to a back up option for the teams who Gordon Hayward won`t sign for. If he manages to channel this anger into better performances next season, he could be scary good.

[Zelaznyrules]

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I prefer Millsap over Griffin. Much more defensively.

I prefer Ayton, Bamba or Williams over either of them. I think? I might change my mind once I actually watch them play and can pretend I know what I'm talking about. Right now, I'm choosing them because I simply don't want either Millsap or Griffin.

[asudevil]

Suns trade: Knight, Len S&T, Better of Miami/Suns 2018 First (Top7 Protected), Raps 2018 2nd
Nets trade: Top50 protected First

Nets continue gaining assets for their rebuild. Knight gets a chance to turn it around in Brooklyn

Suns rid themselves of Knight's contract and give them space to sign Griffin. I know that Brook could just sign Len outright, but this guarantees them getting him. This also gives the Suns a large TPE to work with in the future.

With the $13mil or so TPE the suns can then use their leverage to help facilitate the PG/Melo trade.

They could eat EG from Houston if needed.
They could eat Shumpert if needed.
They could eat Ellis if needed.
They could eat Clarkson if needed.
They could eat Bradley if needed.

There are also can help facilitate other trades that may come down.