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Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1621 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:16 am

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payitforward wrote:Huh?

He played badly, b/c he is a bad player. He had been a bad player his first 3 years in the league, & he was bad w/ us. He didn't underperform. So, yeah, it's on the trade & the GM who made the trade. Trey Burke is not someone you give an asset for. He is someone you stay away from.

Wait, did I say that? Yikes!

No, & I don't know how it came out that way.

It was Gambit.

Phew - thought I had lost my marbles - hehehe - just kidding Gambit.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1622 » by gambitx777 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:18 am

dckingsfan wrote:
payitforward wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Wait, did I say that? Yikes!

No, & I don't know how it came out that way.

It was Gambit.

Phew - thought I had lost my marbles - hehehe - just kidding Gambit.

Naw its cool we all know im a little nutty, im currently (and for the past few days) very drunk and cramming for a medical bio chem final so please anything I say take with a few grains of salt.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1623 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:27 am

gambitx777 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
payitforward wrote:No, & I don't know how it came out that way.

It was Gambit.

Phew - thought I had lost my marbles - hehehe - just kidding Gambit.

Naw its cool we all know im a little nutty, im currently (and for the past few days) very drunk and cramming for a medical bio chem final so please anything I say take with a few grains of NaCl

Just helping - and beat that final to death :)
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1624 » by NatP4 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:58 am

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NatP4 wrote:Celtics seem to be out of the Paul George running. We need to get it done.


http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-wizards/celtics-stop-short-pacers-expensive-demands-paul-george?utm_content=bufferc61aa&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Celts offer two first round picks next season and a starter. They turned it down. If they don't accept that, then they aren't going to make a deal with anybody.



We can offer two 1sts, Oubre (another first round talent) and a starter and expiring contract in Gortat.
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Post#1625 » by gambitx777 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:03 am

NatP4 wrote:
80sballboy wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Celtics seem to be out of the Paul George running. We need to get it done.


http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-wizards/celtics-stop-short-pacers-expensive-demands-paul-george?utm_content=bufferc61aa&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Celts offer two first round picks next season and a starter. They turned it down. If they don't accept that, then they aren't going to make a deal with anybody.



We can offer two 1sts, Oubre (another first round talent) and a starter and expiring contract in Gortat.

Then what? I suppose you can move mahinmi and smith to SA and hope to get Aldrige. You can't trust mahinmi as a starter. but at that point your are cap strapped and have no bench out side of morris tim and tomas. but that starting 5 is killer. Hope Mac and tomas and tim can hold it down and hope morris can play center, and hop that ochifu, devin robinson, Kenne and humpries are dimonds in the rough maybe talk a guy like Evans in with your mid level deal to play on a super team, and us your mini mid on another ring chaser, and bogs if he signs his QO is a decent enough value.
But while PG nd aldridge would be upgrades over morris and gortat, you need a back up center (which right now would be ochifu or humpries) morris upgrades the bench but again you loose kelley, if bogz stays that helps ish, tomas might move to SF that would help D but then you have mac and tim at point, so your bench is not that much worse than last year, but its certainly not better. its fixable but you would not have much to work with.

Now you would make a deal like Mahinmie and a first and second to philly for holmes. and clear enough cap space to fix that but you would not have aldrige and homles or morris. would be your starting center. But you could go and get evans and a couple of solid bench guys. and hope for the best.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1626 » by NatP4 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:27 am

gambitx777 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
80sballboy wrote:
http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-wizards/celtics-stop-short-pacers-expensive-demands-paul-george?utm_content=bufferc61aa&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Celts offer two first round picks next season and a starter. They turned it down. If they don't accept that, then they aren't going to make a deal with anybody.



We can offer two 1sts, Oubre (another first round talent) and a starter and expiring contract in Gortat.

Then what? I suppose you can move mahinmi and smith to SA and hope to get Aldrige. You can't trust mahinmi as a starter. but at that point your are cap strapped and have no bench out side of morris tim and tomas. but that starting 5 is killer. Hope Mac and tomas and tim can hold it down and hope morris can play center, and hop that ochifu, devin robinson, Kenne and humpries are dimonds in the rough maybe talk a guy like Evans in with your mid level deal to play on a super team, and us your mini mid on another ring chaser, and bogs if he signs his QO is a decent enough value.
But while PG nd aldridge would be upgrades over morris and gortat, you need a back up center (which right now would be ochifu or humpries) morris upgrades the bench but again you loose kelley, if bogz stays that helps ish, tomas might move to SF that would help D but then you have mac and tim at point, so your bench is not that much worse than last year, but its certainly not better. its fixable but you would not have much to work with.

Now you would make a deal like Mahinmie and a first and second to philly for holmes. and clear enough cap space to fix that but you would not have aldrige and homles or morris. would be your starting center. But you could go and get evans and a couple of solid bench guys. and hope for the best.



.....then you have Paul George, they can use the MLE then to sign either another big or another guard. Personally, I would use it on a wing player.

They would be just fine with this going into next season:

Wall Sato Frazier
Beal Mac
George MLE options (gay, green, galo, Iggy)
Otto Morris
Mahinmi Smith MLE options (dedmon, Taj Gibson)

Morris can log minutes at C, Jason Smith can play a little PF during the regular season, Chris McCullough will surely get some regular season playing time. Sato can play some at the 3, Mac played some 3 last year, 3 guard lineups are always an option. They will be able to get a solid rotation player with the full MLE. Oubre was not relied upon as an actual rotation player last season and While it would be tough to replace Gortat, a duo of Mahinmi/Smith plus a free agent addition would suffice when you're adding Paul George.

Muscala, Zbo, Splitter are also out there. Patrick Patterson as well.

Obviously Blake Griffin, Paul Millsap, Serge Ibaka

if they really could get PG while keeping a trade asset, then I like your idea of dumping Mahinmi with a draft pick and pursuing one of those 3 guys, you gotta think Millsap and Ibaka could be had for less than 20 million per, but I can't see us having the assets to get a star player and dump a contract with nothing retained.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1627 » by NatP4 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:35 am

Honestly if the wizards could just attach a pick to Mahinmi and straight up dump him, could they sign Blake Griffin straight up and then re sign Otto for the max and go into the luxury tax?? I'm not that aware of the cap situation.

Could we theoretically renounce Jennings and Burke, dump Mahinmi on a team with a pick, get down to about 100 million in salaries, then do a sign and trade for BG where we get to re sign him with bird rights or has he already opted out so it's too late? Same question with Millsap and Ibaka. Obtain bird rights and re sign over the soft cap, then max Otto and go into luxury tax range.

Geez that's a lot of money
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1628 » by gambitx777 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:17 am

NatP4 wrote:Honestly if the wizards could just attach a pick to Mahinmi and straight up dump him, could they sign Blake Griffin straight up and then re sign Otto for the max and go into the luxury tax?? I'm not that aware of the cap situation.

Could we theoretically renounce Jennings and Burke, dump Mahinmi on a team with a pick, get down to about 100 million in salaries, then do a sign and trade for BG where we get to re sign him with bird rights or has he already opted out so it's too late? Same question with Millsap and Ibaka. Obtain bird rights and re sign over the soft cap, then max Otto and go into luxury tax range.

Geez that's a lot of money

the only cap holds we have are otto and Bogz every one else is renounced. If we stright dump mahinmi, which only like 3 teams have that kind of rooms to take him, we world have 15 mill in cap room, because right now with out cap holds we are sitting jsut under the cap i think, renounce bogz and that buys you another 7 mill. that's 22, so technically you could give that all too one big dude, griffin will and milsap will get more than that Ibaka is not really worth that, and then your there with cap room and if otto does not wait and signs an offer sheet you have 2 days to get a deal done with someone and match otto before he walks. its tricky. The only person I can see us having the assets to get is aldrige because i honestly think SA would take mahinmi and smith.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1629 » by dangermouse » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:34 am

nate33 wrote:
dangermouse wrote:For me, the trade looks like this:

Mahinmi + Smith + filler (I think we need to include something like Frazier and Ochefu to make money work)

for

Melo + O'Quinn

C'mon son. Why on Earth would New York even consider this? You could pose this offer to one million Knicks fans and every one of them would laugh in your face. I don't mean to be harsh, but sometimes you've gotta see these things from the other team's perspective.


We'd be including picks, and this was predicated on Melo forcing NYK's hand, giving us leverage. With Phil gone though the chances of this happening reduce.
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1630 » by queridiculo » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:56 am

Wizards may be interested, but it's pretty meaningless when you consider that Washington has absolutely zero assets to make this happen.

This I found interesting from Zach Lowe's piece:

Unloading Ryan Anderson to sign Paul outright would have helped Houston keep one of their outgoing guards, but the market for the three years and $60 million left on Anderson's deal was frigid. Not even the Kings wanted him for free. At least two teams would have demanded two Houston first-round picks in exchange for absorbing Anderson, according to several league sources.


Just goes to show you what kind of boat anchor that Mahinmi deal may turn out to be. $16m per isn't $20m per, but it's close..
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1631 » by gambitx777 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:18 pm

queridiculo wrote:Wizards may be interested, but it's pretty meaningless when you consider that Washington has absolutely zero assets to make this happen.

This I found interesting from Zach Lowe's piece:

Unloading Ryan Anderson to sign Paul outright would have helped Houston keep one of their outgoing guards, but the market for the three years and $60 million left on Anderson's deal was frigid. Not even the Kings wanted him for free. At least two teams would have demanded two Houston first-round picks in exchange for absorbing Anderson, according to several league sources.


Just goes to show you what kind of boat anchor that Mahinmi deal may turn out to be. $16m per isn't $20m per, but it's close..

Not at all, ryan anderson is a stretch 4 who does not defend and can't tay healthy either. mahin is at least a valuable commodity, rim protector. probably would take a first, or a second to a team who wants him, just like we all assumed in he first place.
mahinmi to philly with aaron white and 2018 second and 2019 first for holmes, makes all the sense in the world.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1632 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:15 pm

NatP4 wrote:Honestly if the wizards could just attach a pick to Mahinmi and straight up dump him, could they sign Blake Griffin straight up and then re sign Otto for the max and go into the luxury tax?? I'm not that aware of the cap situation.

No. Not even close. Otto has a $15M cap hold that we have to account for if we wish to maintain is Bird Rights. With that cap hold, we are already about $10M over the cap. Dump Mahinmi and we are merely $6M under the cap. Blake Griffin is going to cost $30M.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1633 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:52 pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents-19771192/zach-lowe-2017-nba-free-agency-preview-including-celtics-lakers-heat-more

Boston faces more varied competition for George. The Wizards would likely sign-and-trade Otto Porter, with one protected pick attached, to rent George, according to league sources.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1634 » by NatP4 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:15 pm

80sballboy wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents-19771192/zach-lowe-2017-nba-free-agency-preview-including-celtics-lakers-heat-more

Boston faces more varied competition for George. The Wizards would likely sign-and-trade Otto Porter, with one protected pick attached, to rent George, according to league sources.



Well ****. What an awful idea
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1635 » by NatP4 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:15 pm

I guess if you're a big believer in keeping Oubre and Gortat maybe you like that deal, I don't.

I mean, locking up a no ego championship role player top 5 small forward in the NBA or rolling the dice on a rental of Paul George, who is 3 years older......I'm just not sure about that. That's easily the best deal out there also. Ugh

Wall Sato Frazier
Beal Mac
George Oubre
Morris ??????
Gortat Mahinmi
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1636 » by queridiculo » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:17 pm

80sballboy wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents-19771192/zach-lowe-2017-nba-free-agency-preview-including-celtics-lakers-heat-more

Boston faces more varied competition for George. The Wizards would likely sign-and-trade Otto Porter, with one protected pick attached, to rent George, according to league sources.


Makes me curious about the Wizards cap situation next year if George bolts.

Would the Wizards be able to free up enough space to make a play for Cousins?
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1637 » by NatP4 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:21 pm

Also that deal puts us well over the salary cap. How do we then acquire a good backup PF without going into the luxury tax?
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1638 » by mhd » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:22 pm

Otto isn't a top 5 SF (KD, Lebron, Kawai, Hayward, PG13, Butler off the top of my head), but that's an awful move to trade for just a rental). If PG promised to extend, then its not horrible.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1639 » by cdouglas » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:27 pm

queridiculo wrote:
80sballboy wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents-19771192/zach-lowe-2017-nba-free-agency-preview-including-celtics-lakers-heat-more

Boston faces more varied competition for George. The Wizards would likely sign-and-trade Otto Porter, with one protected pick attached, to rent George, according to league sources.


Makes me curious about the Wizards cap situation next year if George bolts.

Would the Wizards be able to free up enough space to make a play for Cousins?


Would be nice if we had Wall, Beal, PG and Cousins and am sure we wouldn't have a problem replacing Gortat. :D
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1640 » by NatP4 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:31 pm

odds on Millsap taking the MLE to come play with Wall Beal Paul George? 3 years 26 million?

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