Bucks ownership: Lowe/Windhorst ESPN piece pg 5

[ackypoo]

and none of that **** truly matters to us

Yeah... That's very telling.

If you want a comp, just go north east a bit and look at what the Packers have done to their infrastructure. Or even south east and look what the Cubs are doing.

This is all part of the process. If you want to ignore this part of the process because it doesn't fir your agenda to complain about the owners, that's on you.

it is part of the process. but if the other part of the process is diarrhea then it doesnt matter.

its great we have fancy infrastructure and its essential to building a winning team, but it doesnt matter if youre incapable of building a winning team.

[emunney]

Not giving them a lot of credit for taking 3 years to be like the 25th NBA franchise to have a 1:1 D league relationship. It's good that we have it now; also, we are way behind.

[DingleJerry]

They've done well with all the marketing and re-branding.

But basketball has been a mess. Long story short, without Giannis this team/organization would still be a laughing stock of the league. They fell ass backwards into a superstar, that's all they have going for them.

Reminds me of that Hoosiers line: My nerves are shot. But with Jimmy, all the pistons are firing.

Basically, everything is a mess. But with Giannis anything could happen in spite of it.

Not really though. We have a stable of young talent and no terrible contracts.

Really? They're capped out with a mediocre team with 3 bad contracts on the books now. Likely about to have a fourth in Jabari. Snell is debatable on 10ish mill being bad. Gave Plumlee one of the worst contracts ever handed out. The stable of young talent is Giannis, and he was here already, they fell into him out of pure luck. Take away Giannis and they really don't have much. One 25 yr old solid starter, a 24 yr old rookie solid starter, Thon (who looks promising but still a long way to go). That's it, look around the leauge and it's not much. With no owed picks coming to them. MCW trade, then throw in Vasquez trade on top of it all. I don't how anyone could call the basketball ops anything besides terrible. Giannis is covering all the warts and that was pure luck for them.

Throw in the Kidd backdoor hiring and what the GM hiring looks like as of now too

[crkone]

I guess I was under the impression that Lasry was the one with governor power. It seemed like he was spearheading a lot of what was going on.

That's what I thought too. Everyone kept saying this is all Lasry's doing and Edens was the smart one that will get us back on the right path when he takes his turn. Guess Edens sucks? ...

It shows a lot of people didn't know what they were talking about. Stun.

I mean this was known 3 years ago so I don't really know what people are talking about.

But the partnership between Edens and Lasry is symbolized by their friendship, and it's a good place to start. They joked as they told of the way Edens became the team representative on the NBA Board of Governors — by a coin flip.

"It was a sad, sad day," Lasry said. "Well, Wes can tell you.

"We ended up flipping a coin. Wes had told me the story of what happened when the Bucks flipped a coin and we got Lew Alcindor."

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/new-bucks-owners-embark-on-difficult-path-with-lofty-goals-b99280885z1-261400251.html/?from=global

[skones]

That's what I thought too. Everyone kept saying this is all Lasry's doing and Edens was the smart one that will get us back on the right path when he takes his turn. Guess Edens sucks? ...

It shows a lot of people didn't know what they were talking about. Stun.

I mean this was known 3 years ago so I don't really know what people are talking about.

But the partnership between Edens and Lasry is symbolized by their friendship, and it's a good place to start. They joked as they told of the way Edens became the team representative on the NBA Board of Governors — by a coin flip.

"It was a sad, sad day," Lasry said. "Well, Wes can tell you.

"We ended up flipping a coin. Wes had told me the story of what happened when the Bucks flipped a coin and we got Lew Alcindor."

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/new-bucks-owners-embark-on-difficult-path-with-lofty-goals-b99280885z1-261400251.html/?from=global

Except these aren't the same things.

NBA Board of Governors does not equal Governing Partner

[M-C-G]

Yep...

As owners, they've done a great job building the infrastructure of the Bucks. When they bought the team, all they had was a bad stadium. Now, they a have G-league team, a brand new practice facility and in a year a brand new state of the art stadium with a beer garden/entertainment block.

and none of that **** truly matters to us.

i signed up to watch basketball, not state of the art beer gardens.

and in 4 years when they dont turn it around because they continue to mismanage the basketball side, and giannis leaves, so will i.

They bought the team coming off the worst record in franchise history, 15-67. We've had two playoff appearances and significant growth from our youngsters without mortgaging the future via trade or bad FA contract.

All things considered, I agree we are in a much better place. I think the board, myself included, gets wrapped up in the "what could have been situations" like the Laker pick over MCW, not trading a 1 and 2 for Vasquez, not selling picks when rotation players were taken in those spots, etc.

So to be simple, when you compare having the Lakers unprotected pick next year, having had that Toronto pick this year, having Powell and McCaw (not saying we would have taken them but rather how people are comparing what is, to what could have been) over having Snell and Hawes (pretty sure that is all we are left with from the Knight trade now), it's not hard to see why people get frustrated.

I think there is merit in being discouraged over those individual transactions, but it shouldn't detract from the roster that we actually have, which if you add a healthy Jabari to, looks pretty damn good.

[Pachinko_]

Really? They're capped out with a mediocre team with 3 bad contracts on the books now. Likely about to have a fourth in Jabari. Snell is debatable on 10ish mill being bad. Gave Plumlee one of the worst contracts ever handed out. The stable of young talent is Giannis, and he was here already, they fell into him out of pure luck. Take away Giannis and they really don't have much. One 25 yr old solid starter, a 24 yr old rookie solid starter, Thon (who looks promising but still a long way to go). That's it, look around the leauge and it's not much. With no owed picks coming to them. MCW trade, then throw in Vasquez trade on top of it all. I don't how anyone could call the basketball ops anything besides terrible. Giannis is covering all the warts and that was pure luck for them.

c'mon, be fair. Giannis was not pure luck, they actually scouted the guy, one of a couple of teams that went to Greece to see him. Sure nobody knew he'd grow another 2 inches and prove to be a workaholic basketball maniac but still they took a calculated risk based on good, first hand info. They drafted Brogdon and Maker based on talent and personality and it seems they drafted better than anybody last year. Khris and Jabari have real value in the NBA even with the **** ligaments. They brought in Suki who seems to have done some miracles on a few players. They got another 2 rookies coming up and they look like decent shots to be something good.

Sure there's also a tonne of crappy moves, but it's not all bad.

[4xBuck]

Not giving them a lot of credit for taking 3 years to be like the 25th NBA franchise to have a 1:1 D league relationship. It's good that we have it now; also, we are way behind.

It's a process, I guess they could have had one a year sooner, but I'm not sure... They didn't have a D/G league team when they bought the team, and now they have one. They most certainly deserve all the credit for that. If you want to down play this fact to help fit your agenda, so be it.

[crkone]

It shows a lot of people didn't know what they were talking about. Stun.

I mean this was known 3 years ago so I don't really know what people are talking about.

But the partnership between Edens and Lasry is symbolized by their friendship, and it's a good place to start. They joked as they told of the way Edens became the team representative on the NBA Board of Governors — by a coin flip.

"It was a sad, sad day," Lasry said. "Well, Wes can tell you.

"We ended up flipping a coin. Wes had told me the story of what happened when the Bucks flipped a coin and we got Lew Alcindor."

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/new-bucks-owners-embark-on-difficult-path-with-lofty-goals-b99280885z1-261400251.html/?from=global

Except these aren't the same things.

NBA Board of Governors does not equal Governing Partner

Where are you seeing this? Lowe specifically said "Designated Governor" and all teams have them.

[skones]

I mean this was known 3 years ago so I don't really know what people are talking about.



http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/new-bucks-owners-embark-on-difficult-path-with-lofty-goals-b99280885z1-261400251.html/?from=global

Except these aren't the same things.

NBA Board of Governors does not equal Governing Partner

Where are you seeing this? Lowe specifically said "Designated Governor" and all teams have them.

The NBA Board of Governors is a separate entity. It's essentially owners talking about the state of the league, and its issues (ie. resting players) for example. It's the opposite of the NBPA.

Designated Governor is if an ownership of a team is distributed amongst a number of individuals. There is a designated governor who has the final say if necessary. Think of that as a managing partner for the franchise, as in a law firm or brokerage.

It could be that one may have both powers, but I don't think it should be assumed in this case.

[Licensed to Il]

Last week I posted that the gm search and muddled power structure had me pessimistic towards the long term future of this club, and hung over my present buy in and enjoyment. A half dozen people said I was bipolar, out of touch, emoticon circling finger around ear, etc.

I don't understand how anyone can read that article and feel any degree of confidence that our owners can run a successful team as presently structured.

I hope Im wrong, and genuinely love Giannis, Jabari, Mids, Thon, and Brogdon. Truth bomb, I even like Telletovic.

But yeah... Lowe and Windhurst just confirmed our worst fears about a tripod of instability and a puppet GM.

[paulpressey25]

We will have our usual social media drama today where a crew of folks will say "nothing to see here" or "It's all good"

Sure, things can work out well. Bucks even likely win 50 games next year. But in the end, we all know this situation isn't optimal just as what was going on during LeBron's first stint in Cleveland wasn't optimal.

To win in the NBA you've got to not only be lucky but also outsmarting 90% of the other teams. We aren't set up to do that right now.

[engelmartin]

Let's just let Giannis make the choices.

[DingleJerry]

Really? They're capped out with a mediocre team with 3 bad contracts on the books now. Likely about to have a fourth in Jabari. Snell is debatable on 10ish mill being bad. Gave Plumlee one of the worst contracts ever handed out. The stable of young talent is Giannis, and he was here already, they fell into him out of pure luck. Take away Giannis and they really don't have much. One 25 yr old solid starter, a 24 yr old rookie solid starter, Thon (who looks promising but still a long way to go). That's it, look around the leauge and it's not much. With no owed picks coming to them. MCW trade, then throw in Vasquez trade on top of it all. I don't how anyone could call the basketball ops anything besides terrible. Giannis is covering all the warts and that was pure luck for them.

c'mon, be fair. Giannis was not pure luck, they actually scouted the guy, one of a couple of teams that went to Greece to see him. Sure nobody knew he'd grow another 2 inches and prove to be a workaholic basketball maniac but still they took a calculated risk based on good, first hand info. They drafted Brogdon and Maker based on talent and personality and it seems they drafted better than anybody last year. Khris and Jabari have real value in the NBA even with the **** ligaments. They brought in Suki who seems to have done some miracles on a few players. They got another 2 rookies coming up and they look like decent shots to be something good.

Sure there's also a tonne of crappy moves, but it's not all bad.

It was for them, he was already here before they were. And after his rookie year even the biggest optimists wouldn't have pegged him to be what he is now. Middleton was also here before them. Jabari was already coming here before them as he was the gimme pick at their spot.

[4xBuck]

We will have our usual social media drama today where the group think will bitch and bellyache about every perceived error of the past decade or so, and dismiss every positive move of the past decade or so.

FTFY

[SupremeHustle]

Instead of donating to a billboard, you guys should have pooled your money and invested in a fund that took advantage of the housing crisis. Then you could have bought the Bucks. But you had to have instant gratification, didn't you?

[M-C-G]

Instead of donating to a billboard, you guys should have pooled your money and invested in a fund that took advantage of the housing crisis. Then you could have bought the Bucks. But you had to have instant gratification, didn't you?

Just giving money to someone to do all the work with the billboard was just easier....plus, if we bought the team, we'd have to bitch about ourselves making stupid moves all the time. Who has time for that?

[paulpressey25]

We will have our usual social media drama today where the group think will bitch and bellyache about every perceived error of the past decade or so, and dismiss every positive move of the past decade or so.

FTFY

Scoreboard

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/

[ackypoo]

Not giving them a lot of credit for taking 3 years to be like the 25th NBA franchise to have a 1:1 D league relationship. It's good that we have it now; also, we are way behind.

It's a process, I guess they could have had one a year sooner, but I'm not sure... They didn't have a D/G league team when they bought the team, and now they have one. They most certainly deserve all the credit for that. If you want to down play this fact to help fit your agenda, so be it.

stop saying anyone who disagrees with you has an agenda.

i and others, dont have the power to have an agenda. im sounding off on a message board. jesus christ.

[Rockmaninoff]

I actually feel ok about Horst, we just need a new HC who doesn't meddle

Unfortunately, I feel like Horst barely matters. I can't imagine his opinion overriding LED's or Kidd's on anything important.

In that war room video, to me it felt like Horst was interested in trading down, and was trying to express that, but nobody was listening.