Motor Keeps Going: The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread III

GlenRiceARoni · Post #1101 » by **GlenRiceARoni** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:27 pm

Yea this is bad news in my opinion. Highly doubt he can become a 35% shooter this year.

We no longer need his rebounding whem dwight is in the game so he basically has no business sharing the floor with dwight.

He works as a power forward when marv or frank is at center but how often will that be?

Limited value at sf but then again lamb or graham doesnt space the floor much either.

We need to make some sort of deal to get past boston, wash, or cleveland imo. I think we are clearly better than the rest of the east though

"Get Out the Way, Let the Real F. Ballas thru" - Juvenile

Post #1102 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:29 pm

GlenRiceARoni wrote:Yea this is bad news in my opinion.

What is bad news? In my opinion it's no news.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1103 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:25 pm

No news is good news. Just stay healthy and get a full off season in for the first time in what seems like ages.

SWedd523 · Post #1104 » by **SWedd523** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:43 pm

I do agree though that he doesn't make sense to be in game at the same time as Dwight. Especially since he's be used as a roamer to account for generally weak at-the-rim defense over the past few years. Dwight in the middle theoretically allows perimeter players to cover tighter and not give up as many open threes.

Kemba-Lamb-Batum-Marv-Dwight

Offensively still able to play a version of 4-out-1 where everyone else runs a motion offense while trying to switch a mismatch onto Dwight (though a high pick and pop with Frank replacing Marv and Kemba sounds like an even better fit in theory).

Then MKG and Cody are the first two subs in for Lamb and Cody, switches up the offense completely and forces the other team to make adjustments on the fly or get punished by Cody rim running.

That's just my ideal world and probably nothing remotely close to what Cliff will do so I'll stop typing

BatumtheGlue · Post #1105 » by **BatumtheGlue** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:31 am

Cliff will start Kemba, Nic, MKG, Marv, and Dwight. Then Cody and Monk will in to replace Dwight and Marv.

Cliff will put Lamb onto the court in the middle of 2nd quarter to play around 4 minutes. Lamb will get around 12 minutes each game, except he is on fire. Meanwhile Kemba and Nic will play 48 minutes each game.

Mystical Apples · Post #1106 » by **Mystical Apples** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:46 pm

GlenRiceARoni wrote:Yea this is bad news in my opinion. Highly doubt he can become a 35% shooter this year.

We no longer need his rebounding whem dwight is in the game so he basically has no business sharing the floor with dwight.

He works as a power forward when marv or frank is at center but how often will that be?

Limited value at sf but then again lamb or graham doesnt space the floor much either.

The sneaky great benefit of Dwight is the Cody-Frank-MKG lineup dismantling opposing 2nd units. In fact, it's the benefit.

CatgutStitches · Post #1107 » by **CatgutStitches** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:53 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:
The sneaky great benefit of Dwight is the Cody-Frank-MKG lineup dismantling opposing 2nd units. In fact, it's the benefit.

Throw in Monk with a green light on offense and someone to distribute and run P&R....damn. What a turn from last year. Is it weird Im as excited about our second unit as our starters now? How many 2nd units in the NBA will be able to handle that?

Mystical Apples · Post #1108 » by **Mystical Apples** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:04 pm

CatgutStitches wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:
The sneaky great benefit of Dwight is the Cody-Frank-MKG lineup dismantling opposing 2nd units. In fact, it's the benefit.

Is it weird Im as excited about our second unit as our starters now? How many 2nd units in the NBA will be able to handle that?

Would be weird if you weren't. And not many.

Chapelchilla · Post #1109 » by **Chapelchilla** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:05 pm

CatgutStitches wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:
The sneaky great benefit of Dwight is the Cody-Frank-MKG lineup dismantling opposing 2nd units. In fact, it's the benefit.

Throw in Monk with a green light on offense and someone to distribute and run P&R....damn. What a turn from last year. Is it weird Im as excited about our second unit as our starters now? How many 2nd units in the NBA will be able to handle that?

[quote="CatgutStitches"][quote="Mystical Apples"]

None, if we get a decent PG back up we will have the best second team in the NBA. I would swap Marvin and Frank though, as starters. I think Marv and Cody work well together and Franks post passing would benefit Dwight (plus Dwight can guard the tougher opponent for Frank). Either way our second unit would be real nasty.

Braggins · Post #1110 » by **Braggins** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:43 pm

I think MKG should still start with Howard.

therebirth · Post #1111 » by **therebirth** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:18 am

It's time for this man to show us what he is. Has he made much improvement at all or is he a bust? He has been given more excuses than any other player on this team.

Joest2003 · Post #1112 » by **Joest2003** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:30 am

therebirth wrote:It's time for this man to show us what he is. Has he made much improvement at all or is he a bust? He has been given more excuses than any other player on this team.

Your right it sure sounds like a broken record every year with the MKG supporters "he was injured, hes still young" blah blah. Really hope he can break out a little bit this season. At least make a improvement in some department. Seems like hes been the same player since the day he was drafted. MKG is one of the most likeable guys in the NBA im really hoping he can make it happen this season.

Post #1113 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:19 pm

You guys act like tearing his labrum twice and not being able to play for twelve months during a crucial developmental period is some trivial excuse. I don't get that.

_tijo_ · Post #1114 » by **_tijo_** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 7:22 pm

I think it's actually Marv that should sit with Dwight starting. Dwight and Marv both serve to call out the D and run the unit. It would make more sense to have either on the floor at all times. Dwight's gonna start, so I think Frank gets paired with him.

So if the units right now are:
Kemba/Batum/?/Frank/Dwight
and
MCW/Monk/?/Marv/Cody

You have to see where MKG and his sub (Lamb or Bacon... yummm) fit in the best. Personally, I think MKG belongs with the starters, since you need a plus wing defender to guard the other teams best wing (Batum is not going to do it). He can cut to the basket off the PnR with Batum and Frank spreading the floor. With MCW, MKG is less needed on the second unit, who could use more scoring (Lamb or Bacon... yummm).

Soul Rebel · Post #1115 » by **Soul Rebel** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 7:22 pm

I agree that he has had a few setbacks that explain his lack of development. However, at this point, I think 2017, if healthy, is a make or break year for him. A lot of my frustration with MKG is how something (whether injury or broken shot, or new shooting coach) continues to pop up.

He was drafted 5 years ago, but played his first year in the league at 19 years old. We knew his offensive game and overall development was a 3-5 year process. His defense, rebounding, flashes of athletic explosion and ability to put in work to improve has kept him afloat. I do think another injury plagued year or a continual inability to be aggressive and force his athleticism/abilities on opponents to his benefit would allow me to feel little remorse letting him go or relegate him to a back-up glue guy off the bench.

I love MKG. As a person he is exactly what you want in a player and gives his all, while being an outstanding personality in the locker room, as well as off the court. You want so much for him to succeed yet 5 years of hoping is starting to feel like a broken record.

At 23 years old, he still has his prime in front of him, and I'd love to see him reach his riches here. If he could figure his shot out, be more aggressive and qualify himself as a true starting SF, I'd be so happy. I do think injuries have held him back and the recovery is not quick for any of the injuries he has sustained. Let's hope 2017 is the year, because if it's not, lets use him as an asset to bring in someone with more offensive firepower on the wing.

Post #1116 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 10:24 pm

I agree that this is a make or break year for MKG.

HornetJail · Post #1117 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 10:29 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I agree that this is a make or break year for MKG.

yup i'll agree

Post #1118 » by **JDR720** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 11:03 pm

MKG totally gonna break his leg now.

GlenRiceARoni · Post #1119 » by **GlenRiceARoni** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 11:47 pm

I mean mkg is already a fairly good player. Calling him a "bust" is silly. Busts are out of the league. Hes a guy who could play heavy minutes on a contender and start for virtually every team in the league.

The league has become fairly formulaic. He doesn't go #2 overall if he came out in the draft now because of the extreme emphasis on 3 point shooting. The league changed. And quickly. That wasnt his fault. He was never billed as a shooter who just didnt pan out.

Hes tried to add a shot and suffered one of the worst injuries you can possibly incur as a shooter. TWICE.

"Get Out the Way, Let the Real F. Ballas thru" - Juvenile

Eoghan · Post #1120 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jul 8, 2017 12:01 am

I'm just bothered by the fact that he still has 3 inch pythons. Get in the effing weight room already. You don't have to look like LJ or Mase but at least look like you've done a bicep curl or two.