Is Daryl Morey the best GM?

[red96]

Talk about overrated. He has faced 0 adversity as an executive... he inherited a fantastic pick and two future stars just entering their prime in Curry and Thompson.. who blossomed into great players (lucky for him)

You make it sounds like Morey just got hired by the Rockets. He's been in charge for 11 years, he got his franchise player James Harden 5 years ago who Rockets fans believed should had been 2 time MVP, and Morey still haven't transformed Rockets into serious title contender.

You said how lucky Myers was inherited Curry and Thompson while drafted Green. He took over Warriors 5 years ago, same time when Rockets got their franchise player.
He signed Curry to one of the best bargain extension of all time , he traded for Iguodala and Bogut , he sacked Mark Jackson for Steve Kerr and of course he signed Durant .
Myers transformed Warriors into one of the greatest team of all time in 5 years , that's not LUCKY !!

Ha, are you reading what you're typing? You just said that Myers inheried his #1 and #2 when he started 5 years ago, at the same time Morey had to trade for his sole star. 1 GM had to lose assets and talent to get his star, while the other GM inherited 2 stars(who already had years to gell together) without any cost. Lol. Was it your goal to show those differences?

[ckman]

Talk about overrated. He has faced 0 adversity as an executive... he inherited a fantastic pick and two future stars just entering their prime in Curry and Thompson.. who blossomed into great players (lucky for him)

You make it sounds like Morey just got hired by the Rockets. He's been in charge for 11 years, he got his franchise player James Harden 5 years ago who Rockets fans believed should had been 2 time MVP, and Morey still haven't transformed Rockets into serious title contender.

You said how lucky Myers was inherited Curry and Thompson while drafted Green. He took over Warriors 5 years ago, same time when Rockets got their franchise player.
He signed Curry to one of the best bargain extension of all time , he traded for Iguodala and Bogut , he sacked Mark Jackson for Steve Kerr and of course he signed Durant .
Myers transformed Warriors into one of the greatest team of all time in 5 years , that's not LUCKY !!

Ha, are you reading what you're typing? You just said that Myers inheried his #1 and #2 when he started 5 years ago, at the same time Morey had to trade for his sole star. 1 GM had to lose assets and talent to get his 1 star, while the other GM inherited 2 stars(who already had years to gell together) without any cost. Lol. Was it your goal to show those differences?

So Myers had a better foundation and he also transformed in into MUCH better team, that's not luck like you all want to make it sound like .what's your point?

[red96]

You make it sounds like Morey just got hired by the Rockets. He's been in charge for 11 years, he got his franchise player James Harden 5 years ago who Rockets fans believed should had been 2 time MVP, and Morey still haven't transformed Rockets into serious title contender.

You said how lucky Myers was inherited Curry and Thompson while drafted Green. He took over Warriors 5 years ago, same time when Rockets got their franchise player.
He signed Curry to one of the best bargain extension of all time , he traded for Iguodala and Bogut , he sacked Mark Jackson for Steve Kerr and of course he signed Durant .
Myers transformed Warriors into one of the greatest team of all time in 5 years , that's not LUCKY !!

Ha, are you reading what you're typing? You just said that Myers inheried his #1 and #2 when he started 5 years ago, at the same time Morey had to trade for his sole star. 1 GM had to lose assets and talent to get his 1 star, while the other GM inherited 2 stars(who already had years to gell together) without any cost. Lol. Was it your goal to show those differences?

So Myers had a better foundation and he also transformed in into MUCH better team, that's not luck like you all want to make it sound like .what's your point?

What Myers did when he took over wasn't luck, he's a very good GM. But, inherenting an all-star and hall of famer on/and or just coming off rookie scale is almost as good as it gets as a starting point. On top of that he was able to keep that future hall of fame talent at a cheap price due to the future of his basketball career being in question. And the team is located in Cali. Myers is a really good GM who landed in almost as perfect a situation that is realisticly possible. I can't think of any GM whose started with more. Out all the top level GM's(Ainge, Buford, Presti, Riley, Morey, Masai), none of them started with those luxuries that made them great.

[ckman]

Ha, are you reading what you're typing? You just said that Myers inheried his #1 and #2 when he started 5 years ago, at the same time Morey had to trade for his sole star. 1 GM had to lose assets and talent to get his 1 star, while the other GM inherited 2 stars(who already had years to gell together) without any cost. Lol. Was it your goal to show those differences?

So Myers had a better foundation and he also transformed in into MUCH better team, that's not luck like you all want to make it sound like .what's your point?

What Myers did when he took over wasn't luck, he's a very good GM. But, inherenting an all-star and hall of famer on/and or just coming off rookie scale is almost as good as it gets as a starting point. On top of that he was able to keep that future hall of fame talent at a cheap price due to the future of his basketball career being in question. And the team is located in Cali. Myers is a really good GM who landed in almost as perfect a situation that is realisticly possible.

I'm glad we can agree on that Myers is a very good gm instead of the poster that i quoted who said he's lucky. In fact i think he's a great gm , he did have an advantage to start with, but he made full use of it , most can't. Sacking Mark Jackson after a winning season was a very underrated move to me.

[red96]

So Myers had a better foundation and he also transformed in into MUCH better team, that's not luck like you all want to make it sound like .what's your point?

What Myers did when he took over wasn't luck, he's a very good GM. But, inherenting an all-star and hall of famer on/and or just coming off rookie scale is almost as good as it gets as a starting point. On top of that he was able to keep that future hall of fame talent at a cheap price due to the future of his basketball career being in question. And the team is located in Cali. Myers is a really good GM who landed in almost as perfect a situation that is realisticly possible.

I'm glad we can agree on that Myers is a very good gm instead of the poster that i quoted who said he's lucky. In fact i think he's a great gm , he did have an advantage to start with, but he made full use of it , most can't. Sacking Mark Jackson after a winning season was a very underrated move to me.

Myers was lucky, but the good moves he made to help get the Warriors over wasn't. He could've Billy King'd them into oblivion, but he made the right moves to make the Warriors champions, and now a potential dynasty. How he'd do starting were those other GM's did is up to question.

[ckman]

What Myers did when he took over wasn't luck, he's a very good GM. But, inherenting an all-star and hall of famer on/and or just coming off rookie scale is almost as good as it gets as a starting point. On top of that he was able to keep that future hall of fame talent at a cheap price due to the future of his basketball career being in question. And the team is located in Cali. Myers is a really good GM who landed in almost as perfect a situation that is realisticly possible.

I'm glad we can agree on that Myers is a very good gm instead of the poster that i quoted who said he's lucky. In fact i think he's a great gm , he did have an advantage to start with, but he made full use of it , most can't. Sacking Mark Jackson after a winning season was a very underrated move to me.

Myers was lucky, but the good moves he made to help get the Warriors over wasn't. He could've Billy King'd them into oblivion, but he made the right moves to make the Warriors champions, and now a potential dynasty. How he'd do starting were those other GM's did is up to question.

You can also argue would the other GM's able to create such dominant team if they were in his shoes. To question his ability base on imaginary scenario is silly IMO

[HotTubMike]

You make it sounds like Morey just got hired by the Rockets. He's been in charge for 11 years, he got his franchise player James Harden 5 years ago who Rockets fans believed should had been 2 time MVP, and Morey still haven't transformed Rockets into serious title contender.

You said how lucky Myers was inherited Curry and Thompson while drafted Green. He took over Warriors 5 years ago, same time when Rockets got their franchise player.
He signed Curry to one of the best bargain extension of all time , he traded for Iguodala and Bogut , he sacked Mark Jackson for Steve Kerr and of course he signed Durant .
Myers transformed Warriors into one of the greatest team of all time in 5 years , that's not LUCKY !!

Ha, are you reading what you're typing? You just said that Myers inheried his #1 and #2 when he started 5 years ago, at the same time Morey had to trade for his sole star. 1 GM had to lose assets and talent to get his 1 star, while the other GM inherited 2 stars(who already had years to gell together) without any cost. Lol. Was it your goal to show those differences?

So Myers had a better foundation and he also transformed in into MUCH better team, that's not luck like you all want to make it sound like .what's your point?

Yea, a GM's starting point is pretty important when assessing him.

Myers walked into a fantastic situation.

Morey walked into one of the worst situations in the league.

Context dude.

Nobody is saying Myers isn't good he has done a nice job but he was also inherited an amazing situation.

[red96]

I'm glad we can agree on that Myers is a very good gm instead of the poster that i quoted who said he's lucky. In fact i think he's a great gm , he did have an advantage to start with, but he made full use of it , most can't. Sacking Mark Jackson after a winning season was a very underrated move to me.

Myers was lucky, but the good moves he made to help get the Warriors over wasn't. He could've Billy King'd them into oblivion, but he made the right moves to make the Warriors champions, and now a potential dynasty. How he'd do starting were those other GM's did is up to question.

You can also argue would the other GM's able to create such dominant team if they were in his shoes. To question his ability base on imaginary scenario is silly IMO

I wouldn't say im questioning his ability, but just stating that he's never shown how he'd perform through adversity like the other top GM's have. I still rate him as a top level GM from what he has done. If a franchise had to start from scratch or a bad situation, its not discrediting Myers to prefer other GM's who've shown they could build from that point. Myers should have a long career, and have the opportunity to show what he'll do in those situations at some point.

[reborn123]

Call me when his team makes a conference final or wins 60 games.

They did make the WCFs a couple of years back...

[ckman]

Myers was lucky, but the good moves he made to help get the Warriors over wasn't. He could've Billy King'd them into oblivion, but he made the right moves to make the Warriors champions, and now a potential dynasty. How he'd do starting were those other GM's did is up to question.

You can also argue would the other GM's able to create such dominant team if they were in his shoes. To question his ability base on imaginary scenario is silly IMO

I wouldn't say im questioning his ability, but just stating that he's never shown how he'd perform through adversity like the other top GM's have. I still rate him as a top level GM from what he has done. If a franchise had to start from scratch or a bad situation, its not discrediting Myers to prefer other GM's who've shown they could build from that point. Myers should have a long career, and have the opportunity to show what he'll do in those situations at some point.

Building from stretch is overrated actually, it's easier to turn Brooklyn Nets into a playoff team than transform a playoff team into a championship team.
Myers created a juggernaut that almost every one crying that it's unfair to the rest of the league. That's more impressive than what Morey did in 11 years IMO.
The best GM in the league atm ,It's either Myers for dominant or Popovich/Buford for longevity IMO

[red96]

You can also argue would the other GM's able to create such dominant team if they were in his shoes. To question his ability base on imaginary scenario is silly IMO

I wouldn't say im questioning his ability, but just stating that he's never shown how he'd perform through adversity like the other top GM's have. I still rate him as a top level GM from what he has done. If a franchise had to start from scratch or a bad situation, its not discrediting Myers to prefer other GM's who've shown they could build from that point. Myers should have a long career, and have the opportunity to show what he'll do in those situations at some point.

Building from stretch is overrated actually, it's easier to turn Brooklyn Nets into a playoff team than transform a playoff team into a championship team.
Myers created a juggernaut that almost every one crying that it's unfair to the rest of the league. That's more impressive than what Morey did in 11 years IMO.
The best GM in the league atm ,It's either Myers for dominant or Popovich/Buford for longevity IMO

Context is everything. What type of playoff team? How many wins? How strong is the conference and division. All playoff teams aren't created equal you know. Theres a big difference between the 2017 Spurs and the Blazers/Bulls even though they all made the playoffs. What was more likey last season, the 20 win Nets making the playoffs(needed to win at least 21 more games) or the 61 win Spurs winning the championship?

I believe that the hardest part of GM'ing/building a team is getting superstar talent. There are only a handfull of those guys. That's why 20+ teams don't have them, and why teams mortgage entire rosters and futures for them, spend years being terrible for the POSSIBILITY to find even ONE, after decades they still may never be able to draft one, whyeven good GM's go entire careers without drafting/getting one, and once acquired devote enormous $, cap, and build entire rosters for them. "0 superstar= 0 championship" is almost a universal basketball law. If you don't believe that, we can agree to disagree.
With a superstar and all-star already acquired, the hardest part of a GM's job was done. How many nba teams have a superstar and all-star right now? How long did it take the Warriors to land a Curry caliber player? Im not even debating Morey and Myers. If you believe adding good pieces is more important than adding superstars, we can agree to disagree.
If you believe a GM's ability build without a fantastic foundation isn't important, we can agree to disagree.

[Commodor]

Would I rather have him than Myers?

No thanks

Would I take him if I was GM-less?

Yes thanks - Few i'd rather have



For those who question Myers. Seems general consensus is Jordan Bell is a steal. So he's 1/1 post-West right?

Talk about overrated. He has faced 0 adversity as an executive... he inherited a fantastic pick and two future stars just entering their prime in Curry and Thompson.. who blossomed into great players (lucky for him)

People act like he built the franchise from scratch... he inherited a great situation.

Know what Morey inherited? The hobbled corpses of T-Mac and Yao and some spare tires. No future stars... no good prospects... no good picks... and he has managed what he has had pretty well. Congratulations to Bob Myers for inheriting a team with two young emerging stars ... He drafted a future max level player in the 2nd round? Cool, so did Morey.

Just looking at end results is of course ridiculous... you can only do so much with the hand you're dealt. Morey has done A LOT with absolute garbage.

I'm sorry. I was just trying to point out to those who said West made all the moves, that Myer's first move post-West was a positive one. I actually said there were few GM's i'd rather have than Morey.

Again I'm sorry that Morey had an unfavorable start to his career in Houston, but Myers made a non-play off team into potentially the greatest team of all time. That doesn't just spontaneously jump into existence, it takes tons of planning and strategic moves to make it even possible. You can call that a cake walk, but i'll sit here enjoying our perennial domination of the Rockets while we wait for you to catch up. CP3 hasn't beat curry head to head in 5 years so i'd keep working on it if i were you.

But my question for you is, who in the world did Morey draft in the 2nd round that is comparable to Draymond? Max salary means nothing, any GM can give out a big contract to a crappy player, I want to know who has played as well and had as much of an effect out of the 2nd round in Houston. I'll wait.

[AdagioPace]

shouldn't a serious share of merits go to Harden who basically operated like a manager ?
""If Morey is considered a great GM it means he's always been one""
It's not cp3 that moves the stick

[ken6199]

Would I rather have him than Myers?

No thanks

Would I take him if I was GM-less?

Yes thanks - Few i'd rather have



For those who question Myers. Seems general consensus is Jordan Bell is a steal. So he's 1/1 post-West right?

Talk about overrated. He has faced 0 adversity as an executive... he inherited a fantastic pick and two future stars just entering their prime in Curry and Thompson.. who blossomed into great players (lucky for him)

People act like he built the franchise from scratch... he inherited a great situation.

Know what Morey inherited? The hobbled corpses of T-Mac and Yao and some spare tires. No future stars... no good prospects... no good picks... and he has managed what he has had pretty well. Congratulations to Bob Myers for inheriting a team with two young emerging stars ... He drafted a future max level player in the 2nd round? Cool, so did Morey.

Just looking at end results is of course ridiculous... you can only do so much with the hand you're dealt. Morey has done A LOT with absolute garbage.

I'm sorry. I was just trying to point out to those who said West made all the moves, that Myer's first move post-West was a positive one. I actually said there were few GM's i'd rather have than Morey.

Again I'm sorry that Morey had an unfavorable start to his career in Houston, but Myers made a non-play off team into potentially the greatest team of all time. That doesn't just spontaneously jump into existence, it takes tons of planning and strategic moves to make it even possible. You can call that a cake walk, but i'll sit here enjoying our perennial domination of the Rockets while we wait for you to catch up. CP3 hasn't beat curry head to head in 5 years so i'd keep working on it if i were you.

But my question for you is, who in the world did Morey draft in the 2nd round that is comparable to Draymond? Max salary means nothing, any GM can give out a big contract to a crappy player, I want to know who has played as well and had as much of an effect out of the 2nd round in Houston. I'll wait.

All I saw is xxx, but yyy, xxx but yyy. This is the Curry vs Harden argument all over again. How to evaluate doing good working with less vs doing great working with more? It's a never ending debate. Both side of fans will list things to favor their arguments, using your xxx is great but yyy.

One thing you were wrong about is, you cannot use Draymond as your only argument. If you do that, none of the current GM can be compared to Bob Meyer, not even close. You are talking about DPOY out of second round. In fact, there is a lot of luck in drafting Draymond lets admit that, because if Draymond doesn't workout you got nothing to lose - you just look for the next Draymond. Out of 100 2nd rounders you got to hit some jackpot at some point right? But paying Harden 5/80, taking a 6MOY as the future franchise foundational piece, that's sheer vision. You are throwing the franchise on a player who was never even the 2nd option of a young team. In a way, that's more impressive than drafting Draymond, or paying peanut on a two time MVP because of his injury history NOT because Meyer's vision on what a player Curry would turn into.

CONTEXT, is everything.

[Commodor]

Talk about overrated. He has faced 0 adversity as an executive... he inherited a fantastic pick and two future stars just entering their prime in Curry and Thompson.. who blossomed into great players (lucky for him)

People act like he built the franchise from scratch... he inherited a great situation.

Know what Morey inherited? The hobbled corpses of T-Mac and Yao and some spare tires. No future stars... no good prospects... no good picks... and he has managed what he has had pretty well. Congratulations to Bob Myers for inheriting a team with two young emerging stars ... He drafted a future max level player in the 2nd round? Cool, so did Morey.

Just looking at end results is of course ridiculous... you can only do so much with the hand you're dealt. Morey has done A LOT with absolute garbage.

I'm sorry. I was just trying to point out to those who said West made all the moves, that Myer's first move post-West was a positive one. I actually said there were few GM's i'd rather have than Morey.

Again I'm sorry that Morey had an unfavorable start to his career in Houston, but Myers made a non-play off team into potentially the greatest team of all time. That doesn't just spontaneously jump into existence, it takes tons of planning and strategic moves to make it even possible. You can call that a cake walk, but i'll sit here enjoying our perennial domination of the Rockets while we wait for you to catch up. CP3 hasn't beat curry head to head in 5 years so i'd keep working on it if i were you.

But my question for you is, who in the world did Morey draft in the 2nd round that is comparable to Draymond? Max salary means nothing, any GM can give out a big contract to a crappy player, I want to know who has played as well and had as much of an effect out of the 2nd round in Houston. I'll wait.

All I saw is xxx, but yyy, xxx but yyy. This is the Curry vs Harden argument all over again. How to evaluate doing good working with less vs doing great working with more? It's a never ending debate. Both side of fans will list things to favor their arguments, using your xxx is great but yyy.

One thing you were wrong about is, you cannot use Draymond as your only argument. If you do that, none of the current GM can be compared to Bob Meyer, not even close. You are talking about DPOY out of second round. In fact, there is a lot of luck in drafting Draymond lets admit that, because if Draymond doesn't workout you got nothing to lose - you just look for the next Draymond. Out of 100 2nd rounders you got to hit some jackpot at some point right? But paying Harden 5/80, taking a 6MOY as the future franchise foundational piece, that's sheer vision. You are throwing the franchise on a player who was never even the 2nd option of a young team. In a way, that's more impressive than drafting Draymond, or paying peanut on a two time MVP because of his injury history NOT because Meyer's vision on what a player Curry would turn into.

CONTEXT, is everything.

Soo.... I'm responding to Hotub's comment that both Myers and Morey have drafted a max player in the 2nd. I want to know who this player is Morey drafted that stacks up with Draymond. It's actually not a point I would use as Myer's more impressive transactions, even though it is impressive. And I still want to know who this comparable player is because i'm pretty they don't exist.

Personally, I think offloading all the crappy contracts from the previous regime to grab Iguodala was highway robbery and should be the place to start when considering Myer's moves. That move really was what pushed the warriors into the playoff conversation. But the draft class of Harrison Barnes/Draymond Green/Festus Ezeli has to be considered one of the most impressive drafts of any team in the last decade.

And congrats, the Thunder were pushed against the cap and chose to offload Harden instead of Ibaka. The Rockets needed a scoring guard and offered high picks and recently drafted players for a guy on the open market. Sheer vision

You want "Sheer vision" -
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--warriors-serious-threat-to-sign-kevin-durant-182559375.html

[HotTubMike]

I'm sorry. I was just trying to point out to those who said West made all the moves, that Myer's first move post-West was a positive one. I actually said there were few GM's i'd rather have than Morey.

Again I'm sorry that Morey had an unfavorable start to his career in Houston, but Myers made a non-play off team into potentially the greatest team of all time. That doesn't just spontaneously jump into existence, it takes tons of planning and strategic moves to make it even possible. You can call that a cake walk, but i'll sit here enjoying our perennial domination of the Rockets while we wait for you to catch up. CP3 hasn't beat curry head to head in 5 years so i'd keep working on it if i were you.

But my question for you is, who in the world did Morey draft in the 2nd round that is comparable to Draymond? Max salary means nothing, any GM can give out a big contract to a crappy player, I want to know who has played as well and had as much of an effect out of the 2nd round in Houston. I'll wait.

All I saw is xxx, but yyy, xxx but yyy. This is the Curry vs Harden argument all over again. How to evaluate doing good working with less vs doing great working with more? It's a never ending debate. Both side of fans will list things to favor their arguments, using your xxx is great but yyy.

One thing you were wrong about is, you cannot use Draymond as your only argument. If you do that, none of the current GM can be compared to Bob Meyer, not even close. You are talking about DPOY out of second round. In fact, there is a lot of luck in drafting Draymond lets admit that, because if Draymond doesn't workout you got nothing to lose - you just look for the next Draymond. Out of 100 2nd rounders you got to hit some jackpot at some point right? But paying Harden 5/80, taking a 6MOY as the future franchise foundational piece, that's sheer vision. You are throwing the franchise on a player who was never even the 2nd option of a young team. In a way, that's more impressive than drafting Draymond, or paying peanut on a two time MVP because of his injury history NOT because Meyer's vision on what a player Curry would turn into.

CONTEXT, is everything.

Soo.... I'm responding to Hotub's comment that both Myers and Morey have drafted a max player in the 2nd. I want to know who this player is Morey drafted that stacks up with Draymond. It's actually not a point I would use as Myer's more impressive transactions, even though it is impressive. And I still want to know who this comparable player is because i'm pretty they don't exist.

Personally, I think offloading all the crappy contracts from the previous regime to grab Iguodala was highway robbery and should be the place to start when considering Myer's moves. That move really was what pushed the warriors into the playoff conversation. But the draft class of Harrison Barnes/Draymond Green/Festus Ezeli has to be considered one of the most impressive drafts of any team in the last decade.

And congrats, the Thunder were pushed against the cap and chose to offload Harden instead of Ibaka. The Rockets needed a scoring guard and offered high picks and recently drafted players for a guy on the open market. Sheer vision

You want "Sheer vision" -
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--warriors-serious-threat-to-sign-kevin-durant-182559375.html

You sound like one of those "lulz ringz" guys - like you're cannot understand context and circumstance. Morey has done more with less than any GM in modern times. He took a team from the gutter and has acquired 3 legit NBA stars for it with nothing better than the 12th pick and a dude he found playing in Ukraine at 23 .... no one even comes close.

What is impressive about Morey is how he has taken the franchise from the absolute gutter and made them relevant without ANY real assets and without tanking. That's impressive as hell.

The 2nd round pick I am referring to is of course Chandler Parsons ... who Morey grabbed and who went on two earn TWO max contracts... even though his career was sadly ruined by injury. You can dump on Parsons all you want but two of the best run franchises in the NBA and two of the most well respected coaches gave him max contracts. Morey found him in the 2nd round... is he as good as Green? No but he is still one of the best 2nd rounders ever.

Myers inherited a GREAT situation and made it better.

Morey inherited one of the WORST in the league and brought it to WCF 2nd/3rd best in the west without ANY real assets...That is much more impressive. Nobody has even come close to accomplishing something like that.

[xfactor]

What Myers did when he took over wasn't luck, he's a very good GM. But, inherenting an all-star and hall of famer on/and or just coming off rookie scale is almost as good as it gets as a starting point. On top of that he was able to keep that future hall of fame talent at a cheap price due to the future of his basketball career being in question. And the team is located in Cali. Myers is a really good GM who landed in almost as perfect a situation that is realisticly possible.

I'm glad we can agree on that Myers is a very good gm instead of the poster that i quoted who said he's lucky. In fact i think he's a great gm , he did have an advantage to start with, but he made full use of it , most can't. Sacking Mark Jackson after a winning season was a very underrated move to me.

Myers was lucky, but the good moves he made to help get the Warriors over wasn't. He could've Billy King'd them into oblivion, but he made the right moves to make the Warriors champions, and now a potential dynasty. How he'd do starting were those other GM's did is up to question.

[Commodor]

All I saw is xxx, but yyy, xxx but yyy. This is the Curry vs Harden argument all over again. How to evaluate doing good working with less vs doing great working with more? It's a never ending debate. Both side of fans will list things to favor their arguments, using your xxx is great but yyy.

One thing you were wrong about is, you cannot use Draymond as your only argument. If you do that, none of the current GM can be compared to Bob Meyer, not even close. You are talking about DPOY out of second round. In fact, there is a lot of luck in drafting Draymond lets admit that, because if Draymond doesn't workout you got nothing to lose - you just look for the next Draymond. Out of 100 2nd rounders you got to hit some jackpot at some point right? But paying Harden 5/80, taking a 6MOY as the future franchise foundational piece, that's sheer vision. You are throwing the franchise on a player who was never even the 2nd option of a young team. In a way, that's more impressive than drafting Draymond, or paying peanut on a two time MVP because of his injury history NOT because Meyer's vision on what a player Curry would turn into.

CONTEXT, is everything.

Soo.... I'm responding to Hotub's comment that both Myers and Morey have drafted a max player in the 2nd. I want to know who this player is Morey drafted that stacks up with Draymond. It's actually not a point I would use as Myer's more impressive transactions, even though it is impressive. And I still want to know who this comparable player is because i'm pretty they don't exist.

Personally, I think offloading all the crappy contracts from the previous regime to grab Iguodala was highway robbery and should be the place to start when considering Myer's moves. That move really was what pushed the warriors into the playoff conversation. But the draft class of Harrison Barnes/Draymond Green/Festus Ezeli has to be considered one of the most impressive drafts of any team in the last decade.

And congrats, the Thunder were pushed against the cap and chose to offload Harden instead of Ibaka. The Rockets needed a scoring guard and offered high picks and recently drafted players for a guy on the open market. Sheer vision

You want "Sheer vision" -
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--warriors-serious-threat-to-sign-kevin-durant-182559375.html

You sound like one of those "lulz ringz" guys - like you're cannot understand context and circumstance. Morey has done more with less than any GM in modern times. He took a team from the gutter and has acquired 3 legit NBA stars for it with nothing better than the 12th pick and a dude he found playing in Ukraine at 23 .... no one even comes close.

What is impressive about Morey is how he has taken the franchise from the absolute gutter and made them relevant without ANY real assets and without tanking. That's impressive as hell.

The 2nd round pick I am referring to is of course Chandler Parsons ... who Morey grabbed and who went on two earn TWO max contracts... even though his career was sadly ruined by injury. You can dump on Parsons all you want but two of the best run franchises in the NBA and two of the most well respected coaches gave him max contracts. Morey found him in the 2nd round... is he as good as Green? No but he is still one of the best 2nd rounders ever.

Myers inherited a GREAT situation and made it better.

Morey inherited one of the WORST in the league and brought it to WCF 2nd/3rd best in the west without ANY real assets...That is much more impressive. Nobody has even come close to accomplishing something like that.

Okay figured it was Parsons, and Parsons has had the unfortunate injury history. So I wont comment too much on him, but come onnnnn. Parsons is riding the 3pt fad, and that has driven his value sky high. He is not Draymond in any sense, and the value of the contract does not match the value of the player. Hence the whole ditch max contract debate. Myers has drafted better plain and simple and Draymond is on a whole other plain of existence. Parsons is a good 2nd round find, but best ever? Please.

And congratulations, we get it, the Rockets were trash before Morey got them. But when Myers came into office it was not better than the Rockets situation. Hindsight is always 20/20 but the warriors were the laughing stock of the league, and Myers was actually coming into a team that had it's only close-to-star level talent looking like a Chandler Parsons type injury risk, an 11th overall pick for a guard who could shoot but not known for much else... and what? Andrew Bogut coming off another injured season? Thankfully they panned out, but not overpaying for them and building a strong team around them can't be ignored.

Imagine if instead of drafting Harrison Barnes, Myers had drafted Andre Drummond. He was taken right after Barnes, and there were plenty of warrior fans advocating for solidifying our center position, which had historically been an embarrassment since Wilt left. Eric Dampier? Foyle? Biedrins? Again we all know Bogut's injury history.

What if he advocated for Mark Jackson to stay instead of grabbing Kerr? Jackson had made it to the playoffs two years in a row and built the first respectable defense in the modern warrior era. He had the respect of the locker room. Very easily could have happened and Draymond and Barnes may have been delayed in their insertion into the starting line up.

I get that you guys want to focus on history because that's where you look good. I like to look at the end result because that's where we look good. You're both acting like i'm attacking Morey, or that im the only one with this opinion. I said Morey is one of the best in the league, but in the end Myers got the Warriors where they are today. Myers landed Kevin freaking Durant, come on now.

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He's near the top, but I got these three ahead of him:

Myers
Buford
LeBron

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Myers inherited a GREAT situation and made it better.

Bob Myers took over a 23 win team, guy. A team that was saddled with terrible contracts (Biedrins, and Jefferson), run by a caveman coach, and whose best player had just come back from a frikkin moped accident that cost him most of the season. He had some young talent in Steph and Klay, neither of whom was considered a real blue-chipper at the time, but other than that, the team was a wasteland.

Many GMs have inherited situations as good or better and failed to get even close to the mark Myers has set.