Is Daryl Morey the best GM?

[gmoney411]

Would I rather have him than Myers?

No thanks

Would I take him if I was GM-less?

Yes thanks - Few i'd rather have



For those who question Myers. Seems general consensus is Jordan Bell is a steal. So he's 1/1 post-West right?

Talk about overrated. He has faced 0 adversity as an executive... he inherited a fantastic pick and two future stars just entering their prime in Curry and Thompson.. who blossomed into great players (lucky for him)

People act like he built the franchise from scratch... he inherited a great situation.

Know what Morey inherited? The hobbled corpses of T-Mac and Yao and some spare tires. No future stars... no good prospects... no good picks... and he has managed what he has had pretty well. Congratulations to Bob Myers for inheriting a team with two young emerging stars ... He drafted a future max level player in the 2nd round? Cool, so did Morey.

Just looking at end results is of course ridiculous... you can only do so much with the hand you're dealt. Morey has done A LOT with absolute garbage.

I'm sorry. I was just trying to point out to those who said West made all the moves, that Myer's first move post-West was a positive one. I actually said there were few GM's i'd rather have than Morey.

Again I'm sorry that Morey had an unfavorable start to his career in Houston, but Myers made a non-play off team into potentially the greatest team of all time. That doesn't just spontaneously jump into existence, it takes tons of planning and strategic moves to make it even possible. You can call that a cake walk, but i'll sit here enjoying our perennial domination of the Rockets while we wait for you to catch up. CP3 hasn't beat curry head to head in 5 years so i'd keep working on it if i were you.

But my question for you is, who in the world did Morey draft in the 2nd round that is comparable to Draymond? Max salary means nothing, any GM can give out a big contract to a crappy player, I want to know who has played as well and had as much of an effect out of the 2nd round in Houston. I'll wait.

Picking Draymond was a great pick but let's not act like it was incredible foresight by Meyers. He took Barnes over him and he took Festus over him a few picks earlier. I'm sure Meyers saw upside in Green but if he thought he would be anywhere close to what he is now he wouldn't have passed on him twice.

[YogurtProducer]

The GB has been taken over by teenage homers today.

Morey is more a great 2k gm than real life gm, meaning he is super at acquiring talent, but not so super at assembling functional teams.

What..? 3rd best record, 2nd best offense, is not a functional team? Stop.

[gmoney411]

I was thinking about Ariza and Gordon as well but who will be playing with Paul, Harden and George afterwards...? David West (most probably) and?

They should upgrade their PF spot and the bench but I think there´s no need to aquire another "superstar" if you gut your team like that

Getting George doesn't prevent them from upgrading PF. They could still complete a sign and trade for Milsap or Ibaka after trading for George.

And btw I doubt Ariza will be on the block with his connections to CP3... Gordon/Anderson won´t fetch significant value in return.
Let´s hope for "Olympic" Melo.

CP3 can call Ariza. No way he's letting him stand in the way of getting George and Millsap. He wants to win.

[Commodor]

Talk about overrated. He has faced 0 adversity as an executive... he inherited a fantastic pick and two future stars just entering their prime in Curry and Thompson.. who blossomed into great players (lucky for him)

People act like he built the franchise from scratch... he inherited a great situation.

Know what Morey inherited? The hobbled corpses of T-Mac and Yao and some spare tires. No future stars... no good prospects... no good picks... and he has managed what he has had pretty well. Congratulations to Bob Myers for inheriting a team with two young emerging stars ... He drafted a future max level player in the 2nd round? Cool, so did Morey.

Just looking at end results is of course ridiculous... you can only do so much with the hand you're dealt. Morey has done A LOT with absolute garbage.

I'm sorry. I was just trying to point out to those who said West made all the moves, that Myer's first move post-West was a positive one. I actually said there were few GM's i'd rather have than Morey.

Again I'm sorry that Morey had an unfavorable start to his career in Houston, but Myers made a non-play off team into potentially the greatest team of all time. That doesn't just spontaneously jump into existence, it takes tons of planning and strategic moves to make it even possible. You can call that a cake walk, but i'll sit here enjoying our perennial domination of the Rockets while we wait for you to catch up. CP3 hasn't beat curry head to head in 5 years so i'd keep working on it if i were you.

But my question for you is, who in the world did Morey draft in the 2nd round that is comparable to Draymond? Max salary means nothing, any GM can give out a big contract to a crappy player, I want to know who has played as well and had as much of an effect out of the 2nd round in Houston. I'll wait.

Picking Draymond was a great pick but let's not act like it was incredible foresight by Meyers. He took Barnes over him and he took Festus over him a few picks earlier. I'm sure Meyers saw upside in Green but if he thought he would be anywhere close to what he is now he wouldn't have passed on him twice.

Yes we established that in a later post. I just wanted to know who they considered on par with dray. It was Parsons, who is not on par with Draymond.

[ckman]

Ignore the end result and rings?
Sure, let's make it simple then. Morey had never drafted a player that better than Myers drafted , he also haven't sign a player better than Myers signed. His team never as competitive as Spurs all these years.
So how could you say he's a better GM than them?

Let's not pretend like Morey never made any mistake that hurt Rockets. Lowry? Dragic? Remember?
Myers fired Mark Jackson and hired rookie coach Kerr after winning season. Morey hang on to Mchale until it got out of control. Remember?

If you want to say Morey is one of the top GM ? Sure i doubt most would disagree.
Sorry but he haven't done enough yet to be the best.

[Mr. E]

Let's not pretend like Morey never made any mistake that hurt Rockets. Lowry? Dragic? Remember?

I won't argue on Dragic - I wanted Houston to keep him.

I don't get what you're trying to say about Lowry being a mistake. The Lowry trade provided the first round pick that was necessary to make the Harden trade work.

Also, Morey was the one who traded an established starter for Lowry, who was sitting on the end of the Grizzlies bench at the time.

His biggest mistake was probably giving up a draft pick for Terrance Williams. Some will say it was drafting #BeWell, but those people forget that he was one of three draft picks in that range for Houston that year. One pick (Jones) would start many games and would be a good role player for a while, and the other pick (Lamb) was also a key part of the Harden trade.

[ckman]

Let's not pretend like Morey never made any mistake that hurt Rockets. Lowry? Dragic? Remember?

I won't argue on Dragic - I wanted Houston to keep him.

I don't get what you're trying to say about Lowry being a mistake. The Lowry trade provided the first round pick that was necessary to make the Harden trade work.

Also, Morey was the one who traded an established starter for Lowry, who was sitting on the end of the Grizzlies bench at the time.

His biggest mistake was probably giving up a draft pick for Terrance Williams. Some will say it was drafting #BeWell, but those people forget that he was one of three draft picks in that range for Houston that year. One pick (Jones) would start many games and would be a good role player for a while, and the other pick (Lamb) was also a key part of the Harden trade.

Well consider that Rockets been searching for a competent PG all these years until now, i would say letting Lowry go that time was a bad move. He could still completed the Harden trade without the first pick from Lowry trade using other assets , OKC got no plan to re-sign him at all, and No other team willing to offer much that time.
Imagine if Harden joined the team playing with Lowry instead of Jeremy Lin....

[ken6199]

Let's not pretend like Morey never made any mistake that hurt Rockets. Lowry? Dragic? Remember?

I won't argue on Dragic - I wanted Houston to keep him.

I don't get what you're trying to say about Lowry being a mistake. The Lowry trade provided the first round pick that was necessary to make the Harden trade work.

Also, Morey was the one who traded an established starter for Lowry, who was sitting on the end of the Grizzlies bench at the time.

His biggest mistake was probably giving up a draft pick for Terrance Williams. Some will say it was drafting #BeWell, but those people forget that he was one of three draft picks in that range for Houston that year. One pick (Jones) would start many games and would be a good role player for a while, and the other pick (Lamb) was also a key part of the Harden trade.

Well consider that Rockets been searching for a competent PG all these years until now, i would say letting Lowry go that time was a bad move. He could still completed the Harden trade without the first pick from Lowry trade using other assets , OKC got no plan to re-sign him at all, and No other team willing to offer much that time.
Imagine if Harden joined the team playing with Lowry instead of Jeremy Lin....

Then Lowry wouldn't be the player he is today playing aloneside Harden all these years. Plus, Lowry had a deteriorated relationship with McHale at that time. From the man himself.

"I didn't understand his philosophy. It sucks, because he was only trying to help me become a better player. If I had allowed him to coach me, things could have worked in Houston."

[KobeBryant24]

The GB has been taken over by teenage homers today.

Morey is more a great 2k gm than real life gm, meaning he is super at acquiring talent, but not so super at assembling functional teams.

Its like facebook posts now

[ken6199]

The GB has been taken over by teenage homers today.

Morey is more a great 2k gm than real life gm, meaning he is super at acquiring talent, but not so super at assembling functional teams.

Its like facebook posts now

Then Facebook should be really flattered.

[ckman]

I won't argue on Dragic - I wanted Houston to keep him.

I don't get what you're trying to say about Lowry being a mistake. The Lowry trade provided the first round pick that was necessary to make the Harden trade work.

Also, Morey was the one who traded an established starter for Lowry, who was sitting on the end of the Grizzlies bench at the time.

His biggest mistake was probably giving up a draft pick for Terrance Williams. Some will say it was drafting #BeWell, but those people forget that he was one of three draft picks in that range for Houston that year. One pick (Jones) would start many games and would be a good role player for a while, and the other pick (Lamb) was also a key part of the Harden trade.

Well consider that Rockets been searching for a competent PG all these years until now, i would say letting Lowry go that time was a bad move. He could still completed the Harden trade without the first pick from Lowry trade using other assets , OKC got no plan to re-sign him at all, and No other team willing to offer much that time.
Imagine if Harden joined the team playing with Lowry instead of Jeremy Lin....

Then Lowry wouldn't be the player he is today playing aloneside Harden all these years. Plus, Lowry had a deteriorated relationship with McHale at that time. From the man himself.

"I didn't understand his philosophy. It sucks, because he was only trying to help me become a better player. If I had allowed him to coach me, things could have worked in Houston."

We don't know if Lowry would become the player he is today with Harden, but he sure better than all the PG Rockets had before.
As for Mchale, that's another mistake of Morey, i'm sure even Rockets fans agree that he's not a very good coach, but yet Morey hang on to him way too long.
So let's imagine again, what if Harden playing with Lowry under a better coach?

[Mr. E]

Morey really had no say over McHale. That was all Les.

Despite what people think of him as a coach, McHale was very well-liked by the organization and many of the players. It isn't like he had a terrible record while coaching here. Yeah, I would have preferred JVG, but now I'm perfectly happy with D'Antoni.

[ckman]

Morey really had no say over McHale. That was all Les.

Despite what people think of him as a coach, McHale was very well-liked by the organization and many of the players. It isn't like he had a terrible record while coaching here. Yeah, I would have preferred JVG, but now I'm perfectly happy with D'Antoni.

It's his job to convince his boss . Mchale is not a terrible coach, but i'm sure you would agree he's not the one who can lead Rockets to another level. Rockets wasted a few years with him before fired him. That's why i think it's should consider a bad decision by Morey.

[ken6199]

We don't know if Lowry would become the player he is today with Harden, but he sure better than all the PG Rockets had before.
As for Mchale, that's another mistake of Morey, i'm sure even Rockets fans agree that he's not a very good coach, but yet Morey hang on to him way too long.
So let's imagine again, what if Harden playing with Lowry under a better coach?

I agree. I think Harden and Lowry could have blossomed under Greg Popovich.

[red96]

I'm glad we can agree on that Myers is a very good gm instead of the poster that i quoted who said he's lucky. In fact i think he's a great gm , he did have an advantage to start with, but he made full use of it , most can't. Sacking Mark Jackson after a winning season was a very underrated move to me.

Myers was lucky, but the good moves he made to help get the Warriors over wasn't. He could've Billy King'd them into oblivion, but he made the right moves to make the Warriors champions, and now a potential dynasty. How he'd do starting were those other GM's did is up to question.

OMG a rock meme. Thread:/:

[TinmanZBoy]

We don't know if Lowry would become the player he is today with Harden, but he sure better than all the PG Rockets had before.
As for Mchale, that's another mistake of Morey, i'm sure even Rockets fans agree that he's not a very good coach, but yet Morey hang on to him way too long.
So let's imagine again, what if Harden playing with Lowry under a better coach?

I agree. I think Harden and Lowry could have blossomed under Greg Popovich.

Don't you guys know if there was no Kyle Lowry trade, Morey probably could not pull off the Harden trade? central to the Harden trade was the first round pick acquired by trading Lowry

[red96]

I already knew what type of responses this thread was going to create, thats why I stayed away for the 1st 7 pages. The board already hates the Rockets. So when the OP asks if the Rockets GM (who hasn't won a ring) is the best, with only a yes/no poll, fresh off of landing CP3, I knew this thread would create nothing but conflict. OP "just want to watch the world burn".

[ckman]

We don't know if Lowry would become the player he is today with Harden, but he sure better than all the PG Rockets had before.
As for Mchale, that's another mistake of Morey, i'm sure even Rockets fans agree that he's not a very good coach, but yet Morey hang on to him way too long.
So let's imagine again, what if Harden playing with Lowry under a better coach?

I agree. I think Harden and Lowry could have blossomed under Greg Popovich.

Don't you guys know if there was no Kyle Lowry trade, Morey probably could not pull off the Harden trade? central to the Harden trade was the first round pick acquired by trading Lowry

I always confuse when people said how the trade won't go through without the picks from previous trade.
Can't you just offer them the other picks you got? Do Rockets trade away all the picks like Nets?

[red96]

I agree. I think Harden and Lowry could have blossomed under Greg Popovich.

Don't you guys know if there was no Kyle Lowry trade, Morey probably could not pull off the Harden trade? central to the Harden trade was the first round pick acquired by trading Lowry

I always confuse when people said how the trade won't go through without the picks from previous trade.
Can't you just offer them the other picks you got? Do Rockets trade away all the picks like Nets?

To be fair, it was a Rapter pick, when they were the Craptors.

[TinmanZBoy]

I agree. I think Harden and Lowry could have blossomed under Greg Popovich.

Don't you guys know if there was no Kyle Lowry trade, Morey probably could not pull off the Harden trade? central to the Harden trade was the first round pick acquired by trading Lowry

I always confuse when people said how the trade won't go through without the picks from previous trade.
Can't you just offer them the other picks you got? Do Rockets trade away all the picks like Nets?

that's a high pick that got OKC Steve Adams... without that pick, the trade was not as appealing for OKC