TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st

[firyGM]

Can one of you explain to me why Thibs didn't like Rubio? Rubio is one of most underrated players in the league, and made you insanely better when he was on the court.

Like I said on the Jazz board, I was jealous of you guys during Rubio's rookie year. I thought you had a future top 5 point guard. I still think he has that potential at 26. We haven't had a true playmaker like Rubio since Stockton and D-Will. I'm excited for sure.

Because Thibs is a stubborn.

[trevor0333]

Can one of you explain to me why Thibs didn't like Rubio? Rubio is one of most underrated players in the league, and made you insanely better when he was on the court.

Difficult to tell since I haven't seen any official statement on it but it appears Thibs wants his wingmen to handle the ball and initiate the offense. Up until halfway through last season, and spurts during crunch time throughout the year, Wiggins was the one handling the ball at the top of the key. Ricky was relegated to being a spot up shooter which he obviously isn't suited for.

What I just don't get is why Thibs seems so set on having his wingmen run the plays but I'm just a fan with absolutely no inside scoop. For now, I trust Thibs.

This.

At the beginning of the season the team was terrible, mostly due to how much of Rubio's value was sapped playing off the ball with Wiggins carrying it. Thibs finally relented when Wiggins kinda sucked at it and teams didnt cover Rubio. After he gave the ball back to Rubio the team started playing competitive basketball again.

I want all in on a Lowry/Wiggins/Butler/Millsap/Towns and figure out the depth along the way. If it ends up being Teague & Gibson, I will barf.

[C.lupus]

Can someone explain to me how there's rumors about Teague signing with the Wolves being a done deal already? Wouldn't that be tampering since free agency doesn't start until a few hours from now?

It's not a done deal and I haven't seen anybody credible say that it is. Several people have said "keep an eye on Teague as a possibility".

[Piecake]

I personally like the idea of using the 1st to get Beverly and use our cap space to get a shooting wing and 4

[Basti]

My best guess is that we have a deal ready for Teague, but we're gonna see if we can get Kyle Lowry first.

At least that's what I am telling myself to keep me sane... Please be Lowry..

It better be Lowry. But even if it'll be him, if he gets the max and the bench remains as thin and volatile as last year's I still wouldn't call it a great free agency.

[Basti]

Can someone explain to me how there's rumors about Teague signing with the Wolves being a done deal already? Wouldn't that be tampering since free agency doesn't start until a few hours from now?

It's not a done deal and I haven't seen anybody credible say that it is. Several people have said "keep an eye on Teague as a possibility".

Ah okay. I was probably reading too much into it.

[C-Dub47]

Can someone explain to me how there's rumors about Teague signing with the Wolves being a done deal already? Wouldn't that be tampering since free agency doesn't start until a few hours from now?

Does it really surprise you? Qe dont trade our starting PG unless we know something is getting done with someone.

[trevor0333]

I personally like the idea of using the 1st to get Beverly and use our cap space to get a shooting wing and 4

I like this if they strike out on Lowry. Utah had to make the deal before midnight or it lost that cap space. Which makes the idea that they have a deal in place pretty reasonable assumption.

[younggunsmn]

I think halfway through last season we would have been ecstatic to get capspace and a 1st round pick for him.
But alfter the 2nd half of the year I don't think this is quite fair value in this market.
It all depends on how we use the resulting capspace and who we sign to replace him.
I am not going to miss those scud missile jump shots, but he did everything else above average and that's incredibly valuable.

Lowry is the only option I see that is a talent upgrade, and he is over 30 and is going to cost 30 million+ annually.
Anyone else we sign is very likely going to be a contract-value downgrade.
Hill, Teague, Holiday getting 20+ mil per makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
But it's going to happen. This is now a league where Mike Conley is a max player.

3 Things:
1. There are only 2 years left on Rubio's deal, and it's smarter long term to replace him now than watch him walk in 2 years when we have no cap space left to replace him.
2. Thibs had a full season to watch Ricky and there was clearly something about his game that didn't sit well with Thibs that we as fans might not see. Obviously his shooting but also at time his defense, difficulty getting through picks/sticking to Thibs very demanding discipline on defense.
3. I don't like Trading Rubio inside the conference, especially to a rival that is likely losing its PG with no cap to replace him, and helping them keep Hayward. I have a feel a big reason we ended up with Jimmy and not the Celtics or Cavs is that the Bulls felt better dealing him outside the conference.

[Basti]

Can someone explain to me how there's rumors about Teague signing with the Wolves being a done deal already? Wouldn't that be tampering since free agency doesn't start until a few hours from now?

Does it really surprise you? Qe dont trade our starting PG unless we know something is getting done with someone.

Yeah it actually does surprise me. Unless rules were changed in the last CBA I'd say this is tampering if they had a verbal agreement from someone they're thinking of signing. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't really care less how it's done. I'm just surprised that it seems like nobody cares about a possible tampering violation.

[fattymcgee]

Not sure why people are bashing Thibbs, Rubio got his wish. Rubio has been trying to get out of MN since he was drafted. Rumors every single year, name another player that has happened to. I like Ricky. A lot. But we absolutely need more shooting in the starting lineup and this is one of only two ways to do it.

[MN7725]

I think halfway through last season we would have been ecstatic to get capspace and a 1st round pick for him.
But alfter the 2nd half of the year I don't think this is quite fair value in this market.
It all depends on how we use the resulting capspace and who we sign to replace him.
I am not going to miss those scud missile jump shots, but he did everything else above average and that's incredibly valuable.

Lowry is the only option I see that is a talent upgrade, and he is over 30 and is going to cost 30 million+ annually.
Anyone else we sign is very likely going to be a contract-value downgrade.
Hill, Teague, Holiday getting 20+ mil per makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
But it's going to happen. This is now a league where Mike Conley is a max player.

3 Things:
1. There are only 2 years left on Rubio's deal, and it's smarter long term to replace him now than watch him walk in 2 years when we have no cap space left to replace him.
2. Thibs had a full season to watch Ricky and there was clearly something about his game that didn't sit well with Thibs that we as fans might not see. Obviously his shooting but also at time his defense, difficulty getting through picks/sticking to Thibs very demanding discipline on defense.
3. I don't like Trading Rubio inside the conference, especially to a rival that is likely losing its PG with no cap to replace him, and helping them keep Hayward. I have a feel a big reason we ended up with Jimmy and not the Celtics or Cavs is that the Bulls felt better dealing him outside the conference.

Most people felt like Hill and Hayward were tied together, they're good friends

So its more likely this signals Hawyard leaving

but maybe not

[Basti]

Not sure why people are bashing Thibbs, Rubio got his wish. Rubio has been trying to get out of MN since he was drafted. Rumors every single year, name another player that has happened to. I like Ricky. A lot. But we absolutely need more shooting in the starting lineup and this is one of only two ways to do it.

I highly doubt that.

[Movics]

Can someone explain to me how there's rumors about Teague signing with the Wolves being a done deal already? Wouldn't that be tampering since free agency doesn't start until a few hours from now?

Does it really surprise you? Qe dont trade our starting PG unless we know something is getting done with someone.

Yeah it actually does surprise me. Unless rules were changed in the last CBA I'd say this is tampering if they had a verbal agreement from someone they're thinking of signing. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't really care less how it's done. I'm just surprised that it seems like nobody cares about a possible tampering violation.

Look at the Chris Paul trade as the most recent example. It's doubtful that Houston would've done that deal had they not gotten a promise from him to sign an extension next summer. All these 12:01 am signings are possible tampering violations in my opinion.

Now that Ricky is gone, we better get Lowry!

[KGdaBom]

Not sure why people are bashing Thibbs, Rubio got his wish. Rubio has been trying to get out of MN since he was drafted. Rumors every single year, name another player that has happened to. I like Ricky. A lot. But we absolutely need more shooting in the starting lineup and this is one of only two ways to do it.

Problem is Teague is a mediocre shooter at best. If the rumors are true and I bet they are why would we do this?

[Neeva]

Woke up to this lol
Knew ricky was gone from Thibs interview yesterday it was obvious
Ricky fans should be happy the jazz is a good team for him the Wolves needed to move on.

[Neeva]

Yea I don't buy the teague rumors , probably teagues agent trying to scare the pelicans.
Pelicans are turning him to a shooting guard lol
Lowry is our guy!!

[Neeva]

Woke up to this lol
Knew ricky was gone from Thib's interview yesterday it was obvious
Ricky fans should be happy the jazz is a good team for him the Wolves needed to move on.

[thinktank]

Teague > Rubio.

Shoots much better.

A little bit better defender.

A little bit worse passer.

Shoots much better - yes
A little better defender - no. Neither man defense, nor team defense.
A little worse passer - no. Much worse passer.

MIN does not need "Teague time" with Jimmy, Wiggins and KAT.

Huh.

Teague's and Ricky's career D rating is both 106. I don't offer that as proof, but as corroborating evidence.

Teague is quicker staying in front than Rubio.

Rubio gets a steal a game more than Teague.

I believe that Teague IS the better man-to-man defender.

We need a guy to stay in front of PGs.

Per 36, Rubio is 1.5 or so assists more than Teague. It's not that significant of a difference considering Teague scores 5 more points per 36.

That said, I prefer LOWRY over Teague all day (for O rating purposes).

[trevor0333]

Ugh, it just now hit me that we will have to watch him against the Wolves so much more with Utah.