Sorry, But Enough Excuses: Shame on DA. Should Ownership Look to Someone Else?

gman5589 · Post #1 » by **gman5589** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:51 am

There is absolutely no way you strike out this offseason with Butler and George. Mind-blowing. You cannot be this passive aggressive. Golden opportunity struck twice this summer in an unprecedented manner, for two stars in their prime on a bargain. The asset hoarding technique has failed the Celtics and Danny Ainge.

1. When you hold too many assets, GMs take advantage of you in modern NBA transactionals; they don't want to get embarrassed, so they do whatever they can to take more from you than someone else.
Clearly, this isn't necessarily BOS's fault by any measure. They should be accumulating assets, but it's a real indictment on the way incompetent teams with stars expect good organizations to bail them out by overpaying. It's a psychological leverage point that bad teams do with good teams to garner just a little bit more. Unfortunately, Danny is in this position now and in the future.

2. When you've fleeced teams in the past, teams simply don't want to engage in business unless it's for a massive overpay.
Danny has this reputation in the NBA, whether this forum wants to acknowledge it or not. GMs will only settle for the most premium assets, which we had/

3. Unproven talent should never be a deal-breaker for established talent.
Dynasties from the draft are miniscule chances of forming and shouldn't be expected. How good are premium picks if you don't deal them for stars? Isn't that the point of premium draft assets? Who's expecting the next Lebron/Wall/Anthony Davis/Towns next year? What's more of a sure thing in the NBA than an established talent? Do you see a legend next year? If not, you pull the trigger.

4. At what point does ownership step in and redirect Ainge on a logical path? Stars don't pop up for bargain trades often in the NBA. Stars win championships, bring in revenue, put you in title contention. This grand-standing vision of a 10 year dynasty from the draft is fools-gold if one lever of that plan falls through. Where do you draw the line with winning now and winning later?

5. Really, how valuable is that BKN '18 anymore? More teams are in Tank Mode next year especially in the East, Western teams will be battle for low playoff spots keeping others out, plus a few surprises here and there will be tanking.
If that BKN becomes > 6, what says the defenders now? If that LAL pick conveys to SAC, and the 2019 Kings and Sixers become mid-lottery (or better) playoffs teams in the NBA, what say you then? Danny looks at trade situations with lottery picks on one side of the equation.

6. Do we really think we can land Anthony Davis in any trade, given the circumstances of how NBA execs view Celtics brass? You already know it will cost BOS much more than any other team in a possible negotiation. Danny has swindled himself historically in this league for trades for years now causing execs to hang up the phone. Now it's their turn to deal players out of spite, no matter how childish it seems.

Unbelievable.

Catchall · Post #2 » by **Catchall** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:52 am

The deal for Paul George appears to be Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis. Ouch.

Green89 · Post #3 » by **Green89** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:53 am

It will be very bad if the LA/Sac pick amounts to nothing and we wouldn't give it up for PG.

truth18 · Post #4 » by **truth18** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:54 am

GoCeltics123 · Post #5 » by **GoCeltics123** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:55 am

Not on Ainge. Pritchard is a fool who thinks bringing an IU guy in will sell tickets

username_taken · Post #6 » by **username_taken** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:56 am

Brutal deal for Indiana, but I can't believe Danny didn't up the offer.

Post #7 » by **Darth Celtic** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:57 am

haha, olidipo

illmatic24 · Post #8 » by **illmatic24** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:57 am

Hard to blame Ainge for this one. He has to wait for Hayward first and he can't make Indy hold off until he's ready. If they wanted to trade now for whatever reason then that's what they wanted to do. I truly believe Ainge would have offered up that LA/Sac pick for PG if he got Hayward. Either Indiana didn't want to wait another week or two or they valued Oladipo more than that pick for whatever reason.

Post #9 » by **tlee324** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:57 am

I wouldn't have traded away the Brooklyn pick or the Lakers pick for a rental. My guess is they wanted our best top assets rather than anything else.

Infinite Llamas · Post #10 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:58 am

Clearly, Tanner Ainge is holding us back

gman5589 · Post #11 » by **gman5589** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 2:05 am

Furthermore, why couldn't BOS tweak the deal and give less overall? Would a BKN '18 straight up for PG have done that? IND didn't even get a 1st here.

Zaschrona · Post #12 » by **Zaschrona** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 2:07 am

Not at all. First Hayward, then George. That was always the case.

Post #13 » by **Darthlukey** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 2:09 am

gman5589 wrote:Furthermore, why couldn't BOS tweak the deal and give less overall? Would a BKN '18 straight up for PG have done that? IND didn't even get a 1st here.

No way in hell that pick was ever on the table, I suspect even if George was willing to re-sign. The thunder won that trade because clearly the pacers don't want to do a full rebuild and were crazy enough to take on VO and his contracy

Post #14 » by **tlee324** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 2:11 am

Darthlukey wrote:
gman5589 wrote:Furthermore, why couldn't BOS tweak the deal and give less overall? Would a BKN '18 straight up for PG have done that? IND didn't even get a 1st here.

No way in hell that pick was ever on the table, I suspect even if George was willing to re-sign. The thunder won that trade because clearly the pacers don't want to do a full rebuild and were crazy enough to take on VO and his contracy

I would have traded one of the Brooklyn or LA picks for Paul George if he were willing to extend. That is a no-brainer to me. But unfortunately, it looks like George will have his way. He AND Russell could feasibly head to LA.

gman5589 · Post #15 » by **gman5589** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 2:11 am

I just want to repeat - IND received no picks in this trade. BOS was willing to give 2 future 1sts (MEM + LAC) plus 2 starters. Is there a point where BOS ownership has a responsibility to step in on DA's negotiations and take a big swing? The LAL/SAC pick + Crowder is a reasonable haul no matter what.

Post #16 » by **darrendaye** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 2:13 am

Yay, more threads!

cellar-door · Post #17 » by **cellar-door** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 2:15 am

Yeah, this is a bizarre trade by Pritchard on so many levels. The return is terrible AND he did it so early, should have waited at the very least to see where Hayward went so he could dangle George in front of the losers (MIA or BOS), to take bad return so early is just baffling. Ainge had to have offered Bradley and Crowder just for salary matching, I think that alone is better than what Pritchard got.

Romeiro Celtic · Post #18 » by **Romeiro Celtic** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 2:16 am

Gotta hate Ainge after that, smh

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strokerace · Post #19 » by **strokerace** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 2:18 am

The only reason I can think of is that PG was not willing to negotiate any type of extension and DA passed with good reason. PG must really want to go to LA.

Bar Fight · Post #20 » by **Bar Fight** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 2:18 am

I refuse to believe Ainge didn't offer more than that. Starting to believe the reports that teams are scared to deal with Ainge. They feel like if they don't get our best assets, they're getting fleeced.