TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st

[Cappy_Smurf]

The Paul George trade is a positive in regards to the pick you guys gained for Rubio. There was talk that OKC would trade Westbrook this year without an extension. The pick is protected top 14 for 3 years, then turns into 2 2nds. So with the George trade, you should at least be able to avoid having the value of the pick plunge, and should collect.

I just hope that the Wolves can finish ahead of OKC despite this trade.

Cappy's crystal ball says you guys are in for a hell of a ride this year.

I know last year was a little rough, what with everybody getting their hopes up that you'd finally get over the hump. I was one of the skeptical ones, because it would have been a massive turnaround that just doesn't happen. Well, not this year. The Northwest is going to be a battle and you guys will be one of the teams capable of winning the division. Hopefully my Jazz can keep Hayward and give you guys all you can handle.

Anyway, congrats on nabbing Butler and good luck with the rest of the offseason.

[shrink]

I tried to look at this trade again, with fresh eyes, and I still don't like it.

We have three alpha scorers already, and the ball is going to be in Jimmy Butler's hands at the end of games. What we need is a low usage, 3-and-d guy. teague > rubio in the three's, but rubio is > teague defensively. We didn't lose games because we xouldn't generate enough offense.

It's nice that Teague can run the high post pick and roll. But how important is that really, if Butler is running the offense most ofmthe time. Moreover, even though other teams with the right personnel like to run that play, it is not a rule that every team has to do so. The Spurs did just fine last last year, and again, MIN's offense was fine when Rubio was on the floor. His lack of shooting was off-set by his passing, and the increased FG% he produced for his teammates by finding them easier looks.

In the end, the trade with the Jazz looked fair, assuming we were using that extra cap space to upgrade the position. Since Rubio can do every other PG skill other than shooting better than Teague, I think we used the cap space in a downgrade.

You lose games because of both offense and defense.

The Wolves were 24th in opponent FG% in the clutch, but only 25th in clutch FG% on the offensive end.

Rubio is very much a part of those clutch offense woes. It isn't just about who takes that final shot, but what defenders are keying on during that play. If the opponent has to respect the man in the corner, he won't be able to provide help coverage as easily.

Would you blame Gorgui for the team's low clutch percentages if Thibs spent half a season demanding that he act as point guard for the final three minutes of the game? You could make the same argument "if Gorgui was a better PG, the team would have done better!"

It took Thibs half a season to stop using Wiggins to initate crunch time offense, and stick Ricky in a corner, and our FG% plummeted. When he finally relented and let Ricky run the offense, we were much better, and even put together a little win streak. I don't deny that if Ricky shot threes like Kyle Korver, Thibs system would have worked better. But he should never have been put in that role. I find it difficult to blame Ricky when Thibs miscast him as a three point shooter, removed him from helping the team with his passing, and Wiggins failed at the job. He hurt the team by doing what the coach told him to do?

[CAE15]

Went through most of the thread to get reactions from the player we're getting. Considering the return which I thought was a bit low. But I won't be complaining about that. Even his weaknesses for that cost don't seem to be that bad. I've always been intrigued by Rubio and he seemed to always shoot well against us, so I never worried too much about his shot haha (Though Trey Burke for some unknown reason was able to light it up in Minnesota) Anyway. It's interesting to see the moves you are making and the team you are forming. Which on paper looks damn good! I hope we can retain Hayward and renew our old rivalry with the pesky wolves (as HotRod used to say) two of the best well built teams. From the chess match from Q and Thibs to the individual matchups across the board. Should be a lot of fun. Hopefully both of us can be forces that compete with the Warriors and whoever else may rise for years to come. We'll take good care of Ricky for you. All the best and good luck on the season!


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[Grits n Gravy]

Absolutely gutted to lose Ricky. Losing Zach and Ricky in a week is an absolute kick in the nuts but that's the NBA for you.

Man this pick is going to be 20 at best next year and probably 22-25. Marco freaken Belinelli was traded for a pick in the 20's a year or so ago. This is an awful return for Ricky IMO.

[packforfreedom]

I just woke up and.........wow I feel kind of numb right now. Bye Ricky you are one of my favorite wolves of all time and now that we're in position to make the playoffs, he's gone......I hope Utah can appreciate him and I hope he'll have the best year of his career.

[Streakers33]

Absolutely gutted to lose Ricky. Losing Zach and Ricky in a week is an absolute kick in the nuts but that's the NBA for you.

Man this pick is going to be 20 at best next year and probably 22-25. Marco freaken Belinelli was traded for a pick in the 20's a year or so ago. This is an awful return for Ricky IMO.

U took the words out of my mouth.. only good thing is no money back...literally only good thing and in theory.. if the love for zach and the "bros" is real.. he would take a discount to come back next year


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[minimus]

I will miss Rubio as person and player. His loyalty, unselfishness is something special in this league. I've become MIN fan because of him. From management standpoint getting 1st round pick and free cap space is what we need at this point. Thibs has no more excuses, but I like his determination.

[Basti]

I just woke up and.........wow I feel kind of numb right now. Bye Ricky you are one of my favorite wolves of all time and now that we're in position to make the playoffs, he's gone......I hope Utah can appreciate him and I hope he'll have the best year of his career.

It's a good thing Ricky was traded to a team that, even if it loses Hayward in free agency, will somehow be able to yield a good product on the floor and compete for the playoffs. And if they will retain Hayward, which looking at it purely as a Wolves would mean another tough team to compete against, it'll be super exciting to watch them play. I hate to borrow a corny phrase from, I think, the Kings announcers but if you're a basketball purist and watch the Jazz their style can be summed up like this: "if you don't like that you don't like [...] basketball."

[walk with me]

Some of you guys are embarrassing and no way are you even basketball or wolves fans... just Rubio fans....


Let this sink in for a second.

You'd rather be bad and keep Rubio
Then lock a 4-6 seed after not making the playoffs for a decade plus without Rubio?

Hilarious....


RUBIO SUCKS!!!! GET OVER IT ALREADY. 5+ seasons and no improvements. He's going to be the same guy in Utah that he was in Minnesota. An assist stuffer who does nothing else but "defend", what good is that when all you do is lose. How can you root for that? Good riddance.


The cost of winning!

[Loyal[]Wolf]

[firyGM]

Some of you guys are embarrassing and no way are you even basketball or wolves fans... just Rubio fans....


Let this sink in for a second.

You'd rather be bad and keep Rubio
Then lock a 4-6 seed after not making the playoffs for a decade plus without Rubio?

Hilarious....


RUBIO SUCKS!!!! GET OVER IT ALREADY. 5+ seasons and no improvements. He's going to be the same guy in Utah that he was in Minnesota. An assist stuffer who does nothing else but "defend", what good is that when all you do is lose. How can you root for that? Good riddance.


The cost of winning!

Ok. Rubio is gone. You win. Can you don't hit you where it hurts? Please, be quiet. Respect.

[Foye]

Some of you guys are embarrassing and no way are you even basketball or wolves fans... just Rubio fans....


Let this sink in for a second.

You'd rather be bad and keep Rubio
Then lock a 4-6 seed after not making the playoffs for a decade plus without Rubio?

Hilarious....


RUBIO SUCKS!!!! GET OVER IT ALREADY. 5+ seasons and no improvements. He's going to be the same guy in Utah that he was in Minnesota. An assist stuffer who does nothing else but "defend", what good is that when all you do is lose. How can you root for that? Good riddance.


The cost of winning!

One of the worst posts on here in a while. Congratulations.

[Ethomasp31]

Some of you guys are embarrassing and no way are you even basketball or wolves fans... just Rubio fans....


Let this sink in for a second.

You'd rather be bad and keep Rubio
Then lock a 4-6 seed after not making the playoffs for a decade plus without Rubio?

Hilarious....


RUBIO SUCKS!!!! GET OVER IT ALREADY. 5+ seasons and no improvements. He's going to be the same guy in Utah that he was in Minnesota. An assist stuffer who does nothing else but "defend", what good is that when all you do is lose. How can you root for that? Good riddance.


The cost of winning!

Okay....just knock off the talk. We get it....you don't like Rubio. I was a fan of the Wolves before Rubio and will be a fan after Rubio. I loved watching him play though...and he was a class act. Try and act like a class act yourself as he was traded.

Thibs has made the decision that this was the time to make our move. Hopefully he will be correct. I know some people think the move might have been a year or two premature...mainly because GS is so good and it would be nice to see how LaVine, Dunn, Rubio and the draft pick (I would have chosen Smith) would developed for another year or two. I see that point....but also understand Thibs wanting to make his move.

Just understand that some fans have become attached to Rubio....or LaVine....or even Dunn...and seeing them traded hurts. And you being a jerk about it isn't very cool.

Sorry to the mods if this is too unkind of a post.

Btw, I'm not heartbroken over Rubio....and understand why the move was made. At the same time....I'm not sure if I would have made the move and gone with Teague given he will be making $5 million more a year....but I get fit for the team. Also, Teague isn't the 3point shooter some on here are making him out to be. He doesn't shoot a lot of three pointers...he makes them at a higher rate than Rubio did....but isn't a volume 3 point shooter.

[Oriole8159]

Some of you guys are embarrassing and no way are you even basketball or wolves fans... just Rubio fans....


Let this sink in for a second.

You'd rather be bad and keep Rubio
Then lock a 4-6 seed after not making the playoffs for a decade plus without Rubio?

Hilarious....


RUBIO SUCKS!!!! GET OVER IT ALREADY. 5+ seasons and no improvements. He's going to be the same guy in Utah that he was in Minnesota. An assist stuffer who does nothing else but "defend", what good is that when all you do is lose. How can you root for that? Good riddance.


The cost of winning!

Okay....just knock off the talk. We get it....you don't like Rubio. I was a fan of the Wolves before Rubio and will be a fan after Rubio. I loved watching him play though...and he was a class act. Try and act like a class act yourself as he was traded.

Thibs has made the decision that this was the time to make our move. Hopefully he will be correct. I know some people think the move might have been a year or two premature...mainly because GS is so good and it would be nice to see how LaVine, Dunn, Rubio and the draft pick (I would have chosen Smith) would developed for another year or two. I see that point....but also understand Thibs wanting to make his move.

Just understand that some fans have become attached to Rubio....or LaVine....or even Dunn...and seeing them traded hurts. And you being a jerk about it isn't very cool.

Sorry to the mods if this is too unkind of a post.

Btw, I'm not heartbroken over Rubio....and understand why the move was made. At the same time....I'm not sure if I would have made the move and gone with Teague given he will be making $5 million more a year....but I get fit for the team. Also, Teague isn't the 3point shooter some on here are making him out to be. He doesn't shoot a lot of three pointers...he makes them at a higher rate than Rubio did....but isn't a volume 3 point shooter.

they don't need him to be a volume 3 point shooter per se, just to be a threat to hit the ones when he's open to keep the defense honest. acknowledging that he makes them at a higher rate than Rubio did is the point in itself.

[walk with me]

6 seasons
0 playoffs
0 statistical improvements
...

[urinesane]

6 seasons
0 playoffs
0 statistical improvements
...

You could just go troll somewhere else too...

[Basti]

6 seasons
0 playoffs
0 statistical improvements
...

We get it. You can stop your act now.

[Sugarless]

Please stop quoting this turd. It's messing the thread for those of us who have him on ignore, and you're only giving him what he craves for. He's been gone for months and only got back when he thought he could throw some more crap on Rubio.

Thank you all for your understanding.

[Mundo]

Welp, I was a twolves fan due to Rubio. So long board, I think thibs has traded away multiple championships for potentially one.

[KGdaBom]

Welp, I was a twolves fan due to Rubio. So long board, I think thibs has traded away multiple championships for potentially one.

Have fun cheering for Utah, but I think you will be missing out on some great times with the Wolves.