Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII

[Sluggerface]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7klk3vp

Semi-reasonable Melo trade. Atl also sends a 1st round pick to New York. I think ATL wins their side seeing as Bazemore isn't needed as much with the emergence of prince/hardaway and they come away with 2 starting frontcourt players to replenish the loss of Howard/Millsap.

I think New York can definitely get better offers for Melo, but I haven't looked into it that much. The idea is that Bazemore gives them a rotation quality player on an unenviable contract, but saves them a bit of money over the next couple of years as well a mid-round 1st.

Alternatively, we can do this involving the nets.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb3usjy3

Washington throws in a first round pick to New York. Nets in the same situation as Atlanta, they get two starters on cap friendly deals and get put on the path to respectability. New York gets the point guard they're seeking (or a backup if they still want to sign someone).

[Sluggerface]

Also just want to put this out there.

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I've been one of Melo's most vocal critics, but we would 100% use Melo like Team USA has used him in the past rather than the situation he has been in with Knicks. In that regard, I don't find it hard to believe that Melo would be a more efficient offensive option with John and Brad feeding him the ball, with Otto pulling the opposite side of the court away from him. I mean Morris got a TON of open looks this season and I think that has a lot to do with him posting a career high in 3p%. Melo is a much better shooter/ballhandler than Morris.

[nate33]

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4 years?

The $3.75M a year cost is nice, but I don't think Nene will last 4 years. He's 34 years old already, and appears to have the durability of a guy 2 or 3 years older than that. I guess Houston is just deferring compensation. In reality, it's more like a 2-year deal at $7.5M per year, with half of the salary deferred until after he is cut in Summer of 2020.

[nate33]

Also just want to put this out there.

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I've been one of Melo's most vocal critics, but we would 100% use Melo like Team USA has used him in the past rather than the situation he has been in with Knicks. In that regard, I don't find it hard to believe that Melo would be a more efficient offensive option with John and Brad feeding him the ball, with Otto pulling the opposite side of the court away from him. I mean Morris got a TON of open looks this season and I think that has a lot to do with him posting a career high in 3p%. Melo is a much better shooter/ballhandler than Morris.

The argument basically is that Melo cannot be an efficient scorer if he must carry the offensive load as the primary threat. He can only be efficient as a 3rd option catch-and-shoot guy. And he also doesn't play defense. That doesn't sound like a max player to me.

If Melo's going to be used mostly as a catch-and-shoot threat (with weak defense on the other end), I'd rather just sacrifice a lot less for a guy like Ryan Anderson, or just live with Morris' less prolific 3-point shooting since Morris actually plays D occasionally, and he costs 1/3rd as much.

[JWizmentality]

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Good for Nene. Still like him more than Gortat.

He never played like a p*ssy.

Sure but if he had stayed in shape in Washington, maybe he'd still be here and we wouldn't have overspent on Mahinmi.

That's not Nene's fault.

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[SUPERBALLMAN]

It's amazing how bad that Mahinmi deal was. I didn't understand it at the time and it looks even worse now. Not has completely hamstrung us and killed any cap flexibility we had. After relatively thrifty moves for Gortat and Morris, Ernie destroyed all that good maneuvering with one swift move after striking out with KD with a horrible contract for Mahinmi a mediocre player with bad knees.

So now we have no chance at any big time signing like Hayward. I'd love to get Gallinari but even that seems impossible. Maybe we can deal Gortat for something. But it's looking like a bleak off-season just like last off-season with no draft picks or major signings. Here's a prediction... we don't sign anyone of significance, we lose Otto, Ernie spins it as "we feel Oubre is ready to step into the starting position and has more upside and this allows us to save our powder. We acquired a dependable pg in Tim Frazier to backup John, and we have a great backcourt for years to come".

Maybe they'll keep Bogdonovich as consolidation for losing Porter.

Yipee!!

[nate33]

It's amazing how bad that Mahinmi deal was. I didn't understand it at the time and it looks even worse now. Not has completely hamstrung us and killed any cap flexibility we had. After relatively thrifty moves for Gortat and Morris, Ernie destroyed all that good maneuvering with one swift move after striking out with KD with a horrible contract for Mahinmi a mediocre player with bad knees.

So now we have no chance at any big time signing like Hayward. I'd love to get Gallinari but even that seems impossible. Maybe we can deal Gortat for something. But it's looking like a bleak off-season just like last off-season with no draft picks or major signings. Here's a prediction... we don't sign anyone of significance, we lose Otto, Ernie spins it as "we feel Oubre is ready to step into the starting position and has more upside and this allows us to save our powder. We acquired a dependable pg in Tim Frazier to backup John, and we have a great backcourt for years to come".

Maybe they'll keep Bogdonovich as consolidation for losing Porter.

Yipee!!

Don't worry. We're not losing Porter. If nothing else, there's no way they'd risk pissing off Wall that much. It's one thing to be inept at trying to improve the roster, it's another thing entirely to ruin your chances of being competitive because you're too cheap.

The rest of your analysis is correct. It's difficult to overstate how horrible last offseason was.

[CobraCommander]

You think John Wall is going to blame Otto Porter for not acquiring Paul George?

Paul George who is going to LA next year.

Gee I wish we'd given up a huge amount for him, so that we could have him for a year. Wouldn't that have been great?

No, I think there will be some friction between Porter and Wall after Wall low key tried to ship him off to Indy.

Don't think that happened at all....

Uh would there be beef between the early 20s version of you if you thought someone disrespected you publicly? You might not fight him but you sure as hell wouldn't like him anymore...if you ever did. Wall shouldn't have said that publicly...unless the trade went through and Otto was on the Pacers. BUT 20+ million and a lot of time together traveling and playing ball can heal a lot of mental woes. Especially if Otto grows into that big contract and becomes a 18-20pts a night scorer!

[dckingsfan]

It's amazing how bad those Mahinmi/Nicholson deals were. I didn't understand it at the time and it looks even worse now. Not only has it completely hamstrung us and killed any cap flexibility we had. After relatively thrifty moves for Gortat and Morris, Ernie destroyed all that good maneuvering with one swift move after striking out with KD with a horrible contract for Mahinmi a mediocre player with bad knees.

So now we have no chance at any big time signing like Hayward. I'd love to get Gallinari but even that seems impossible. Maybe we can deal Gortat for something. But it's looking like a bleak off-season just like last off-season with no draft picks or major signings. Here's a prediction... we don't sign anyone of significance, we lose Otto, Ernie spins it as "we feel Oubre is ready to step into the starting position and has more upside and this allows us to save our powder. We acquired a dependable pg in Tim Frazier to backup John, and we have a great backcourt for years to come".

Maybe they'll keep Bogdonovich as consolidation for losing Porter.

Yipee!!

Just helping...

[Sluggerface]

Also just want to put this out there.

Watch on YouTube

I've been one of Melo's most vocal critics, but we would 100% use Melo like Team USA has used him in the past rather than the situation he has been in with Knicks. In that regard, I don't find it hard to believe that Melo would be a more efficient offensive option with John and Brad feeding him the ball, with Otto pulling the opposite side of the court away from him. I mean Morris got a TON of open looks this season and I think that has a lot to do with him posting a career high in 3p%. Melo is a much better shooter/ballhandler than Morris.

The argument basically is that Melo cannot be an efficient scorer if he must carry the offensive load as the primary threat. He can only be efficient as a 3rd option catch-and-shoot guy. And he also doesn't play defense. That doesn't sound like a max player to me.

If Melo's going to be used mostly as a catch-and-shoot threat (with weak defense on the other end), I'd rather just sacrifice a lot less for a guy like Ryan Anderson, or just live with Morris' less prolific 3-point shooting since Morris actually plays D occasionally, and he costs 1/3rd as much.

I agree that Melo isn't a max player at this point in his career, but Anderson/Morris can't be staggered into a 2nd unit and become a primary playmaker. Melo can (78th percentile with nearly a quarter of his possessions being isolations), and it would allow the team to always keep two effective playmakers on the court at a time with a true 3 man rotation between Wall/Beal/Melo. His contract expiration date also lines up with what the team was facing down the line in 2 years anyways.

I just don't have a lot of faith that the depth issue this team is facing can be solved with the assets they currently have. I'd rather go all-in and just assemble the best four to five players possible and spread the minutes distribution than to continue to roll the dice on undrafted players / last stop journeymen (which would be the case regardless if they went after Melo or not) or trying to come away with value out of an individual trade involving just one of our players.

[NatP4]

Bet you we trade Jason smith and a 2nd for Will Barton, then target Millsap/Melo with our 1st, then use MLE and re sign Otto. There's just no way Ernie stays quiet with the pressure from Wall.

[NatP4]

We're like the only team that hasn't had one single rumored interest reported. We can't even re sign our own player

[heatcharger]

Since the Pacers now have a logjam at the 4, is there any way we would swindle them out of Thaddeus Young? I'd honestly do a sign-and-trade involving Otto to do that. We need to get smaller and faster.

[gambitx777]

How the **** could we not have offered Kelley, tomas and a first and that ofer not be better than what they got for PG? We must not have bee able to fine a way to dump gortat or mahinimi in the deal fast enough.

[NatP4]

Since the Pacers now have a logjam at the 4, is there any way we would swindle them out of Thaddeus Young? I'd honestly do a sign-and-trade involving Otto to do that. We need to get smaller and faster.

My god

[nuposse04]

Since the Pacers now have a logjam at the 4, is there any way we would swindle them out of Thaddeus Young? I'd honestly do a sign-and-trade involving Otto to do that. We need to get smaller and faster.

By otto, you surely mean Ian.. right? ... >.>

[JWizmentality]

Since the Pacers now have a logjam at the 4, is there any way we would swindle them out of Thaddeus Young? I'd honestly do a sign-and-trade involving Otto to do that. We need to get smaller and faster.

[J-Ves]

It's amazing how bad that Mahinmi deal was. I didn't understand it at the time and it looks even worse now. Not has completely hamstrung us and killed any cap flexibility we had. After relatively thrifty moves for Gortat and Morris, Ernie destroyed all that good maneuvering with one swift move after striking out with KD with a horrible contract for Mahinmi a mediocre player with bad knees.

So now we have no chance at any big time signing like Hayward. I'd love to get Gallinari but even that seems impossible. Maybe we can deal Gortat for something. But it's looking like a bleak off-season just like last off-season with no draft picks or major signings. Here's a prediction... we don't sign anyone of significance, we lose Otto, Ernie spins it as "we feel Oubre is ready to step into the starting position and has more upside and this allows us to save our powder. We acquired a dependable pg in Tim Frazier to backup John, and we have a great backcourt for years to come".

Maybe they'll keep Bogdonovich as consolidation for losing Porter.

Yipee!!

I kind of feel bad for saying this but I don't think Mahinmi's deal was that bad. The Wiz were in the market for a center because of Gortat's age and their lack of depth at the position, they struck out on Horford, and signed the next best player to a market value deal(Mahinmi's 16m/yr was a smaller % of cap than when Gortat signed his 12m/yr deal). People may say he wasn't worth 16m, but his defense numbers and generally good health in years previous disagree.

[Dark Faze]

Nene can be had for a chic fil a sandwhich right now and he'd be one of the best defenders on the team right away

but we've got a logjam of guys so ;/

[JWizmentality]

#FreeNene!!

#Bringbackthebigbrazilian