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Post#661 » by Ror1997 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:27 am

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Mosdefinition wrote:I don't think we have enough to get DeRozan

Unless we give up the 2020 first (I know trading picks and year after we get back control) some combo of caris rhj and allen which is do in a second I went to the billy King school of making deals I think lol


I wouldn't give up an asset for DeRozan. DeRozan is a good player but that's a huge contract


I feel like he's a piercesque kind of player who in a few years could entice people to come to Brooklyn


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Post#662 » by Mkdaman1818 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:34 am

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Post#663 » by 13th Man » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:34 am

DeRozan is their best player, they're not going to trade him.
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Post#664 » by DarkXaero » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:36 am

What are you guys on? I don't even like Derozan but if he were to be traded, it would be for lotto pick prospects, not a salary dump. The guy is an all star SG tied up long term, even if he's a player whose raw stats are deceptive.
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Post#666 » by Packers+NetsWIN » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:41 am

DarkXaero wrote:What are you guys on? I don't even like Derozan but if he were to be traded, it would be for lotto pick prospects, not a salary dump. The guy is an all star SG tied up long term, even if he's a player whose raw stats are deceptive.


In total agreement. He just made 3rd team all nba and is entering the prime of his career. No way they even consider trading him unless its for a great rebuilding package
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Post#667 » by 13th Man » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:41 am

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Post#668 » by Paradise » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:41 am

Hawks are likely to sign Bojan to a offer sheet while the Wiz wait on Porter but would Sean now offer a deal to Hardaway Jr now that Atlanta wants Bojan?

Offer sheet inception.


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Post#670 » by Paradise » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:51 am

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I don't really see a point in pursuing Porter unless it's simply to make Washington sweat. The easier get is KCP. The Pistons will have to move contracts to avoid the hard cap and the clock would start at 48 hours.



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Post#671 » by Prokorov » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:55 am

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I don't really see a point in pursuing Porter unless it's simply to make Washington sweat. The easier get is KCP. The Pistons will have to move contracts to avoid the hard cap and the clock would start at 48 hours.



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Hard cap? i cant find anything about this. im pretty sure the pistons can match on KCP no matter what their cap number is. they have his bird rights and extended him the QO. im not sure what this guy is talking about.

i give porter the offer. he is worth it if they dont match. i dont think KCP is and i also think no one else gives KCP the max but us soo if the wiz match we can still make an offer to kcp
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Post#672 » by Keith Van Horn » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:56 am

I don't get all the dislike for KCP. I know a lot of you aren't sold on giving him a max deal, and neither am I to be honest, but he's super intriguing to me.

He easily fits a lot of needs for us. He's young, only 24. By all accounts of Pistons fans, he's their most intense player. He might even be the best defensive player we'd have, a glaring need. He took 437 3pt attempts last year, in the top 20 of the NBA, in one of the slowest offenses (bottom third) in the league last year. He'd surely be a lock to shoot over 500 3's here, and I'd be on the side of the argument saying he'd see an increase in efficiency.

I know everyone wants to anoint Levert as the next chosen one b/c things have been so damn bleak, but maybe a year or 2 off the bench won't kill him. He'll only be a year 2 player. He'll still get his minutes. If something happens to Lin or Russell, he'll be put into the starting lineup without a doubt. Make him hungry now, and then when we can start Russ, Levert, KCP together, they could be a legit starting unit playing to each other's strengths.

Yeah, saying the name Caldwell-Pope doesn't really elicit greatness now, but if he becomes part of our core trio, provides fantastic defense, improves his 3pt%, gives us 18-22 ppg during his contract... I'm just saying, if something happens where he becomes a Net, I think we all should give him the benefit of living up to what he could be for us.
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Post#673 » by Ror1997 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:57 am

If Charlotte doesn't want to pay Tax, Marvin Williams + Lamb + Kaminsky for Hamilton + Harris is something to look at.
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Post#674 » by Mkdaman1818 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 2:00 am

Give KCP an offer sheet, that's not a max deal. If Detroit matches, then we tie their cap up.
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Post#675 » by Keith Van Horn » Sun Jul 2, 2017 2:00 am

Mkdaman1818 wrote:I've got a gut feeling that we're going to try and acquire crabbe and a 2018 1st for one or a combination of Kilpatrick/Harris/Nicholson (remember, we have no first rounders next year).

That's a deal I could get behind still
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Post#676 » by TheNetsFan » Sun Jul 2, 2017 2:03 am

We're in no position to pass on talent. As salary cap room starts drying up, we should consider talent that could be obtained for lower cost than initially anticipated. 2 guys that may fit that bill unfortunately play at our deepest position. Namely, George Hill & Lowry. There was talk of us potentially targeting Hill long before the Russell trade. With the cap space of logical suitors drying up & the Spurs connection, I'd think long and hard about trying to sign Hill. If you can get him for Teague money or less, we shouldn't pass on that level of talent, despite our depth. I have faith Kenny will find minutes for all of Russell, LeVert, Hill, & Lin, and one of the latter two could potentially be attractive trade-bait at the deadline.

We don't have to sign guys with the expectation that they're here long-term. We need to try to manufacture trade equity via talent acquisition any way we can.
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Post#677 » by DarkXaero » Sun Jul 2, 2017 2:03 am

Keith Van Horn wrote:I don't get all the dislike for KCP. I know a lot of you aren't sold on giving him a max deal, and neither am I to be honest, but he's super intriguing to me.

He easily fits a lot of needs for us. He's young, only 24. By all accounts of Pistons fans, he's their most intense player. He might even be the best defensive player we'd have, a glaring need. He took 437 3pt attempts last year, in the top 20 of the NBA, in one of the slowest offenses (bottom third) in the league last year. He'd surely be a lock to shoot over 500 3's here, and I'd be on the side of the argument saying he'd see an increase in efficiency.

I know everyone wants to anoint Levert as the next chosen one b/c things have been so damn bleak, but maybe a year or 2 off the bench won't kill him. He'll only be a year 2 player. He'll still get his minutes. If something happens to Lin or Russell, he'll be put into the starting lineup without a doubt. Make him hungry now, and then when we can start Russ, Levert, KCP together, they could be a legit starting unit playing to each other's strengths.

Yeah, saying the name Caldwell-Pope doesn't really elicit greatness now, but if he becomes part of our core trio, provides fantastic defense, improves his 3pt%, gives us 18-22 ppg during his contract... I'm just saying, if something happens where he becomes a Net, I think we all should give him the benefit of living up to what he could be for us.
Why are we against him? Because he's a mediocre player. His TS% is well below average, his PER is below average, subpar playmaker, and he doesn't even score much. Not to mention, he's only 6'5" and better suited at SG, where we already have D'Angelo Russell. The only real thing going for him is his defense. Do you really want to pay a lot of money to a player with glaring deficiencies like that? If we do, there's a solid chance of him becoming one of the worst contracts in the league, unless he drastically improves his game.
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Post#678 » by Kilo » Sun Jul 2, 2017 2:05 am

Mkdaman1818 wrote:Give KCP an offer sheet, that's not a max deal. If Detroit matches, then we tie their cap up.


Detroit's cap is tied up regardless. We can pay KCP 19.8M a season without having to make a salary cutting move. If you offered 23M a season we'd have to clear 3.2M in order to be able to match.

We're going to be near/at 125M regardless - either with KCP at 19M and keeping Morris ($5M) or matching KCP and trading away Morris.
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Post#679 » by steady » Sun Jul 2, 2017 2:05 am

It's too bad Nets did not get Ingles but I have to respect him for staying with his team and at a slight discount too. Jazz were starting to look like one of major losers of off-season with everyone jumping ship -- Ingles stemmed that tide. Now seems a little more likely Hayward will stay too.

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Post#680 » by Prokorov » Sun Jul 2, 2017 2:09 am

Keith Van Horn wrote:I don't get all the dislike for KCP. I know a lot of you aren't sold on giving him a max deal, and neither am I to be honest, but he's super intriguing to me.


i dont think anyone dislikes him. i think people dislike the idea of giving max money to a role player

He easily fits a lot of needs for us. He's young, only 24. By all accounts of Pistons fans, he's their most intense player. He might even be the best defensive player we'd have, a glaring need. He took 437 3pt attempts last year, in the top 20 of the NBA, in one of the slowest offenses (bottom third) in the league last year. He'd surely be a lock to shoot over 500 3's here, and I'd be on the side of the argument saying he'd see an increase in efficiency.


VERY few players increase attempts and see their efficiency also rise. it usually goes the other way. especially on 500 attempts.

Also he is a solid 3 point shooter, but not a very good one. 33% career and 35% last year. although it is on really high volume. maybe he improves on it, but as of now, he is an above average shooter not a great one.

the other issue is he doesnt do anything besides score/hit threes. and he isnt great at either of those 2 things. he doesnt (3 a game)rebound or create offense(2.5 assists)

he averaged just 13/8 points despite playing 34 minutes and did it on poor efficiency(13 PER, 51.9 TS%)

he is a good but not lockdown defender.

you are really getting a role player. you'd be banking 100% on massive improvement

I know everyone wants to anoint Levert as the next chosen one b/c things have been so damn bleak, but maybe a year or 2 off the bench won't kill him. He'll only be a year 2 player. He'll still get his minutes. If something happens to Lin or Russell, he'll be put into the starting lineup without a doubt. Make him hungry now, and then when we can start Russ, Levert, KCP together, they could be a legit starting unit playing to each other's strengths.


im not convinced that KCP is better then levert right now. let alone in another year or so. them playing together or not doesnt really effect the decision anyhow. you can give role guys max money

Yeah, saying the name Caldwell-Pope doesn't really elicit greatness now, but if he becomes part of our core trio, provides fantastic defense, improves his 3pt%, gives us 18-22 ppg during his contract... I'm just saying, if something happens where he becomes a Net, I think we all should give him the benefit of living up to what he could be for us.



18-22 PPG seems like a real stretch. he is a poor scorer. outside of being an ok 3 point shooter he does nothing well offensivly

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