OKC Thunder Offseason 2017: The Reshapening

[getrichordie]

What do you guys think about Vincent Hunter getting a real shot instead of Huestis if we don't absolutely love Huestis' offensive repertoire?

I feel like he could have more impact on a game than a Huestis or a McDermott and definitely a Singler.

He's 22. Deceptively athletic. Super solid rebounder and while he doesn't have a perimeter game, he would do well in transition on both ends, he can get to them and can rim-run well. He plays the 3 and the 4 and I can even see potential for a small ball 5, especially if we get rid of Kanter.


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[spearsy23]

So if we get gay we're like some bizzaro-bastard version of the warriors, where everyone iso's and nobody moves off the ball. Perfect for Billy ball.

[spearsy23]

Sergio Rodriguez would be a capable vet minimum signing for a backup unit of x/Alex/Doug/jerami/enes. If Billy implemented a real system they could have moderate success offensively.

[retrobro90]

What do you guys think about Vincent Hunter getting a real shot instead of Huestis if we don't absolutely love Huestis' offensive repertoire?

I feel like he could have more impact on a game than a Huestis or a McDermott and definitely a Singler.

He's 22. Deceptively athletic. Super solid rebounder and while he doesn't have a perimeter game, he would do well in transition on both ends, he can get to them and can rim-run well. He plays the 3 and the 4 and I can even see potential for a small ball 5, especially if we get rid of Kanter.


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I like him a lot. He's not super smart defensively yet but he's definitely got the physical tools. Uses them well to compete on the glass and contest shots at the rim. He actually got a partial guarantee with the grizz a season ago but just didn't make it through the preseason as they shuffled a lot of D league dudes this past year and found some nice rotation pieces (Troy Daniels, Wayne Selden, etc). I wouldn't mind doing the same but there's no rush to fill out those spots until we know about the bigger fish.

[PerkinsFor3]

Whos starting at sg? Expected Alex?

[retrobro90]

Whos starting at sg? Expected Alex?

IMO Ideally we roll out Russ/Roberson/George/Cheap Stretch 4/Funaki

[Pillendreher]

I hate this obsession with Gay. The only way a deal like that works is if he signs for the MLE or less. He might just fall off a cliff due to his injury and he's never been that good to begin with.

[retrobro90]

I hate this obsession with Gay. The only way a deal like that works is if he signs for the MLE or less. He might just fall off a cliff due to his injury and he's never been that good to begin with.

"Never been that good"? Cmon man. Rudy's averaged damn near 20ppg over his whole career and had some career high efficiency marks last year before he went down. We don't know what he will be entirely but he was close to a star level player his whole career. Every team in the league should want this dude for the MLE. He could be a better version of what Joe Johnson was on the Jazz last year. He could the same Rudy for all we know. Imagine throwing out a lineup of Russ, three 6'7"-6'8" switchable defenders in Roberson, George, Gay, and anchor it with Adams. Thats a freaking dangerous spread pnr with some serious defensive potential.

[Pillendreher]

Rudy Gay was never anywhere close to 'star level'. What he is known for tho is making teams better by leaving.

[CROklahoma]

Just make sure that Robes is resigning, then, try to get Gay.
Abrines has a ton of potential, he deserves the starting SG slot.

[retrobro90]

Rudy Gay was never anywhere close to 'star level'. What he is known for tho is making teams better by leaving.

How do you or anyone else not see the specious reasoning there? Look at both of the situations in Memphis and Toronto and why those teams actually got better when he left. They had the talent ready to replace those possessions and Rudy's role on our squad would never be the primary perimeter offense. He will be number 3 behind Russ and PG. How do people not see the bargain in signing him for 8mil per? So many guys just like him take a back seat in the latter half of their careers and they become reliable role players and bucket getters. The MLE would be a freaking steal for him.

And no where close to star level? Ever in his career? What about the fact that he received all star votes for years and was frequently considered a borderline star by fans and journalists alike during that time? 20/6/3 is no where close? Gimme a break.

[Pillendreher]

Rudy Gay was never anywhere close to 'star level'. What he is known for tho is making teams better by leaving.

How do you or anyone else not see the specious reasoning there? Look at both of the situations in Memphis and Toronto and why those teams actually got better when he left. They had the talent ready to replace those possessions and Rudy's role on our squad would never be the primary perimeter offense. He will be number 3 behind Russ and PG. How do people not see the bargain in signing him for 8mil per? So many guys just like him take a back seat in the latter half of their careers and they become reliable role players and bucket getters. The MLE would be a freaking steal for him.

And no where close to star level? Ever in his career? What about the fact that he received all star votes for years and was frequently considered a borderline star by fans and journalists alike during that time? 20/6/3 is no where close? Gimme a break.

Let me give you the facts instead. Rudy Gay is a high usg% wing who has little positive impact on his team's offense. His shooting is below average, he's not creating shots for other players and is not doing much else on the court.

You know whose stats look reasonably similar? Monta Ellis. That's not a good comparison.

Here are his Catch and Shoot numbers over the last 4 seasons:

43/121: 35.5 % from 3
52/142: 36.6 % from 3
57/170: 33.5 % from 3
32/86: 37.2 % from 3

That's good for 184/519, ie 35.4 % on Catch and Shoot 3s in 241 games. He's taken roughly 2 Catch and Shoot 3s and makes them at an below average rate.
You can get this wild idea out of your head that Rudy freaking Gay is gonna come here and is gonna tear it up from the 3pt line. He's not. That's not his game and it never will be.

Everything - and I mean everything - about him screams mediocre. And now he's coming back from a catastrophic injury for basketball player and you're out here praising him as a 'steal' and a 'close to a star level' player? Get real. The only positive thing about this could be the fact that we might just get rid of Kanter because we don't need two iso scorers coming off the bench. Otherwise, it'll just be another ballhog who will need time to realize his limitations after the injury.

[retrobro90]

Rudy Gay was never anywhere close to 'star level'. What he is known for tho is making teams better by leaving.

How do you or anyone else not see the specious reasoning there? Look at both of the situations in Memphis and Toronto and why those teams actually got better when he left. They had the talent ready to replace those possessions and Rudy's role on our squad would never be the primary perimeter offense. He will be number 3 behind Russ and PG. How do people not see the bargain in signing him for 8mil per? So many guys just like him take a back seat in the latter half of their careers and they become reliable role players and bucket getters. The MLE would be a freaking steal for him.

And no where close to star level? Ever in his career? What about the fact that he received all star votes for years and was frequently considered a borderline star by fans and journalists alike during that time? 20/6/3 is no where close? Gimme a break.

Let me give you the facts instead. Rudy Gay is a high usg% wing who has little positive impact on his team's offense. His shooting is below average, he's not creating shots for other players and is not doing much else on the court.

You know whose stats look reasonably similar? Monta Ellis. That's not a good comparison.

Here are his Catch and Shoot numbers over the last 4 seasons:

43/121: 35.5 % from 3
52/142: 36.6 % from 3
57/170: 33.5 % from 3
32/86: 37.2 % from 3

That's good for 184/519, ie 35.4 % on Catch and Shoot 3s in 241 games. He's taken roughly 2 Catch and Shoot 3s and makes them at an below average rate.
You can get this wild idea out of your head that Rudy freaking Gay is gonna come here and is gonna tear it up from the 3pt line. He's not. That's not his game and it never will be.

Everything - and I mean everything - about him screams mediocre. And now he's coming back from a catastrophic injury for basketball player and you're out here praising him as a 'steal' and a 'close to a star level' player? Get real. The only positive thing about this could be the fact that we might just get rid of Kanter because we don't need two iso scorers coming off the bench. Otherwise, it'll just be another ballhog who will need time to realize his limitations after the injury.

Monta is a terrible cross-positional comparison for Rudy especially when you're comparing their 3pt percentage. Just outright inaccurate. Monta has shot ~30% from 3 basically his whole career as a 2 guard and his percentage has dropped nearly every season since 2011. Rudy would be playing primarily as a small ball 4 for us as well and theres no way in hell his usg% would be anywhere close to where it was in sacramento. Not with Russ and PG on the roster. Also he doesn't need to "tear it up" from the 3pt line (never claimed that) although I would bet his efficiency goes up once his usg% declines and he's being set up by Russ/PG who draw much more of the defensive attention. Even if Rudy isn't shooting threes at a high clip (shot 37% from 3 last year, career 34.5%, 3% better than monta on his career) he's another guy who can get buckets from anywhere and create for himself on any given possession a la Joe Johnson these past couple years on the heat/jazz. Obviously I'm not going to change your mind though because clearly it's already been made up.

[InTheSabonus]

If Rudy Gay is what gets Russ to sign that extension, then I'll be pro-Gay all the way.

[spearsy23]

How do you or anyone else not see the specious reasoning there? Look at both of the situations in Memphis and Toronto and why those teams actually got better when he left. They had the talent ready to replace those possessions and Rudy's role on our squad would never be the primary perimeter offense. He will be number 3 behind Russ and PG. How do people not see the bargain in signing him for 8mil per? So many guys just like him take a back seat in the latter half of their careers and they become reliable role players and bucket getters. The MLE would be a freaking steal for him.

And no where close to star level? Ever in his career? What about the fact that he received all star votes for years and was frequently considered a borderline star by fans and journalists alike during that time? 20/6/3 is no where close? Gimme a break.

Let me give you the facts instead. Rudy Gay is a high usg% wing who has little positive impact on his team's offense. His shooting is below average, he's not creating shots for other players and is not doing much else on the court.

You know whose stats look reasonably similar? Monta Ellis. That's not a good comparison.

Here are his Catch and Shoot numbers over the last 4 seasons:

43/121: 35.5 % from 3
52/142: 36.6 % from 3
57/170: 33.5 % from 3
32/86: 37.2 % from 3

That's good for 184/519, ie 35.4 % on Catch and Shoot 3s in 241 games. He's taken roughly 2 Catch and Shoot 3s and makes them at an below average rate.
You can get this wild idea out of your head that Rudy freaking Gay is gonna come here and is gonna tear it up from the 3pt line. He's not. That's not his game and it never will be.

Everything - and I mean everything - about him screams mediocre. And now he's coming back from a catastrophic injury for basketball player and you're out here praising him as a 'steal' and a 'close to a star level' player? Get real. The only positive thing about this could be the fact that we might just get rid of Kanter because we don't need two iso scorers coming off the bench. Otherwise, it'll just be another ballhog who will need time to realize his limitations after the injury.

Monta is a terrible cross-positional comparison for Rudy especially when you're comparing their 3pt percentage. Just outright inaccurate. Monta has shot ~30% from 3 basically his whole career as a 2 guard and his percentage has dropped nearly every season since 2011. Rudy would be playing primarily as a small ball 4 for us as well and theres no way in hell his usg% would be anywhere close to where it was in sacramento. Not with Russ and PG on the roster. Also he doesn't need to "tear it up" from the 3pt line (never claimed that) although I would bet his efficiency goes up once his usg% declines and he's being set up by Russ/PG who draw much more of the defensive attention. Even if Rudy isn't shooting threes at a high clip (shot 37% from 3 last year, career 34.5%, 3% better than monta on his career) he's another guy who can get buckets from anywhere and create for himself on any given possession a la Joe Johnson these past couple years on the heat/jazz. Obviously I'm not going to change your mind though because clearly it's already been made up.

Calling him a borderline star was definitely an over sell, but yeah if he was healthy he'd be a steal for the mle. Unfortunately there's just no way of knowing what you'll actually get after an Achilles injury. I hope he signs and comes back strong, but if I were presti I wouldn't be gambling on him.

[retrobro90]

Let me give you the facts instead. Rudy Gay is a high usg% wing who has little positive impact on his team's offense. His shooting is below average, he's not creating shots for other players and is not doing much else on the court.

You know whose stats look reasonably similar? Monta Ellis. That's not a good comparison.

Here are his Catch and Shoot numbers over the last 4 seasons:

43/121: 35.5 % from 3
52/142: 36.6 % from 3
57/170: 33.5 % from 3
32/86: 37.2 % from 3

That's good for 184/519, ie 35.4 % on Catch and Shoot 3s in 241 games. He's taken roughly 2 Catch and Shoot 3s and makes them at an below average rate.
You can get this wild idea out of your head that Rudy freaking Gay is gonna come here and is gonna tear it up from the 3pt line. He's not. That's not his game and it never will be.

Everything - and I mean everything - about him screams mediocre. And now he's coming back from a catastrophic injury for basketball player and you're out here praising him as a 'steal' and a 'close to a star level' player? Get real. The only positive thing about this could be the fact that we might just get rid of Kanter because we don't need two iso scorers coming off the bench. Otherwise, it'll just be another ballhog who will need time to realize his limitations after the injury.

Monta is a terrible cross-positional comparison for Rudy especially when you're comparing their 3pt percentage. Just outright inaccurate. Monta has shot ~30% from 3 basically his whole career as a 2 guard and his percentage has dropped nearly every season since 2011. Rudy would be playing primarily as a small ball 4 for us as well and theres no way in hell his usg% would be anywhere close to where it was in sacramento. Not with Russ and PG on the roster. Also he doesn't need to "tear it up" from the 3pt line (never claimed that) although I would bet his efficiency goes up once his usg% declines and he's being set up by Russ/PG who draw much more of the defensive attention. Even if Rudy isn't shooting threes at a high clip (shot 37% from 3 last year, career 34.5%, 3% better than monta on his career) he's another guy who can get buckets from anywhere and create for himself on any given possession a la Joe Johnson these past couple years on the heat/jazz. Obviously I'm not going to change your mind though because clearly it's already been made up.

Calling him a borderline star was definitely an over sell, but yeah if he was healthy he'd be a steal for the mle. Unfortunately there's just no way of knowing what you'll actually get after an Achilles injury. I hope he signs and comes back strong, but if I were presti I wouldn't be gambling on him.

"He WAS close to a star level player his whole career" were my exact words fwiw and I stand by that. Feel like everyone has a short term memory when it comes to what people thought about Rudy not that long ago.

[getrichordie]

What do you guys think of a trade centered around flipping Kanter for Temple & Koufous from SAC?


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[Old Man Game]

If Rudy Gay is what gets Russ to sign that extension, then I'll be pro-Gay all the way.

People said stuff like this with regard to Kanter and Durant. 'You've got to sign him. Can't give Durant that message we won't spend.' Durant left anyway and we're stuck paying his useless arse.

If Russ is leaving because we wouldn't sign Rudy $#@*ing Gay then Russ was probably leaving anyway.

[alessandrux]

What do you guys think of a trade centered around flipping Kanter for Temple & Koufous from SAC?


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Would love it, but why would Sacramento do this trade?

Koufos is an asset, Kanter is not.

[ThunderBolt]

Why aren't we hearing any rumors of Taj and Dre meeting with other teams?