OKC Thunder Offseason 2017: The Reshapening

[ThunderBolt]

What do you guys think of a trade centered around flipping Kanter for Temple & Koufous from SAC?


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Would love it, but why would Sacramento do this trade?

Koufos is an asset, Kanter is not.

Koufos is on a favorable contract but I wouldn't call a 28 year old with mediocre numbers an asset.

[alessandrux]

What do you guys think of a trade centered around flipping Kanter for Temple & Koufous from SAC?


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Would love it, but why would Sacramento do this trade?

Koufos is an asset, Kanter is not.

Koufos is on a favorable contract but I wouldn't call a 28 year old with mediocre numbers an asset.

That's probably right, but what i meant was that Koufos contract has positive value, Kanters does not.

[InTheSabonus]

Why aren't we hearing any rumors of Taj and Dre meeting with other teams?

I saw a tweet saying that a few teams had interest in Taj. But just taking a punt, I think maybe they both WANT to stay- but Presti's told them to wait, so we can see how things shake out. So if we sign Gay one or both might have to look elsewhere, but if we miss out on Gay, maybe they both stay, something like that.

Maybe there's just little interest in Roberson. Or they're just low in priority and teams are waiting for other dominoes to fall. Does seem weird that there haven't been any reported meetings though.

[spearsy23]

If Rudy Gay is what gets Russ to sign that extension, then I'll be pro-Gay all the way.

People said stuff like this with regard to Kanter and Durant. 'You've got to sign him. Can't give Durant that message we won't spend.' Durant left anyway and we're stuck paying his useless arse.

If Russ is leaving because we wouldn't sign Rudy $#@*ing Gay then Russ was probably leaving anyway.

Cupcake leaving didn't make it any less true. If Russ wants moves made that prove you're trying to win then you make them and deal with any fallout later.

[Pillendreher]

The only way this works out is if Kanter gets dealt. Rudy Gay is not the player this team needs. And he certainly isn't a 'Stretch 4'.

[getrichordie]

The only way this works out is if Kanter gets dealt. Rudy Gay is not the player this team needs. And he certainly isn't a 'Stretch 4'.

George can be the 4. Gay can be the 3. Roberson, the 2. Gay could come off bench and provide scoring at either spot TBH.

I could see where we would start the game with a line up of Russ, Abrines, Roberson, George, Adams and have Gay come off the bench in relief of Abrines, sliding Roberson to the 2. Grant or McDermott replaces George and Ferguson eats up rest of minutes at the 2 rotation between Abrines and Roberson.

Main lineups:

Russ/Abrines/Roberson/George/Adams

Russ/Roberson/Gay/George/Adams

x/Abrines/Gay/Grant(or McDermott)/Kanter(sometimes Adams)

If we can get Gay, I think McDermott becomes flippable. If OKC likes McBuckets more, flip Grant and Fergie for a better back up point unless we acquire one in FA which is doubtful.

Edit: Could see this team competing for 2nd in West if healthy. Could totally see us beating SAS and HOU.

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[spearsy23]

The only way this works out is if Kanter gets dealt. Rudy Gay is not the player this team needs. And he certainly isn't a 'Stretch 4'.

He's definitely a stretch 4.

[getrichordie]

The only way this works out is if Kanter gets dealt. Rudy Gay is not the player this team needs. And he certainly isn't a 'Stretch 4'.

He's definitely a stretch 4.

Agreed. See above post.


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[Thunder Up]

The only way this works out is if Kanter gets dealt. Rudy Gay is not the player this team needs. And he certainly isn't a 'Stretch 4'.

Your hate for Rudy must run deep

[Pillendreher]

The only way this works out is if Kanter gets dealt. Rudy Gay is not the player this team needs. And he certainly isn't a 'Stretch 4'.

He's definitely a stretch 4.

His career 3PT % is 34.5 %. Since he entered the league, there have been 95 guys with at least 1800 total 3PA over the last 10 years. Out of those 95, he's 83rd in 3P%.
Over the last four season, Gay has shot 222/609 open and wide open 3s per stats.nba.com. That's 36.4 %.
I've posted his Catch and Shoot numbers earlier.

Consider him a 'stretch 4' if you want to. I won't get fooled into thinking he's a good shooter. He isn't. Just like Wilson Chandler is not a good shooter. The stats are all out there.
Is he a better offensive player than most of our wings? Yes, definitely. Could he be helpful in the right role? Yes, of course. But he is redundant if Kanter is still here. We don't need another guy who demands the ball. Rudy Gay isn't suddenly become a knockdown shooter after getting injured.

If we get rid of Kanter in the process: Do it. But only then.

The only way this works out is if Kanter gets dealt. Rudy Gay is not the player this team needs. And he certainly isn't a 'Stretch 4'.

Your hate for Rudy must run deep

Get back to me when you can refute what I'm saying. This isn't cutting it.

[getrichordie]

The only way this works out is if Kanter gets dealt. Rudy Gay is not the player this team needs. And he certainly isn't a 'Stretch 4'.

He's definitely a stretch 4.

His career 3PT % is 34.5 %. Since he entered the league, there have been 95 guys with at least 1800 total 3PA over the last 10 years. Out of those 95, he's 83rd in 3P%.
Over the last four season, Gay has shot 222/609 open and wide open 3s per stats.nba.com. That's 36.4 %.
I've posted his Catch and Shoot numbers earlier.

Consider him a 'stretch 4' if you want to. I won't get fooled into thinking he's a good shooter. He isn't. Just like Wilson Chandler is not a good shooter. The stats are all out there.
Is he a better offensive player than most of our wings? Yes, definitely. Could he be helpful in the right role? Yes, of course. But he is redundant if Kanter is still here. We don't need another guy who demands the ball. Rudy Gay isn't suddenly become a knockdown shooter after getting injured.

If we get rid of Kanter in the process: Do it. But only then.

The only way this works out is if Kanter gets dealt. Rudy Gay is not the player this team needs. And he certainly isn't a 'Stretch 4'.

Your hate for Rudy must run deep

Get back to me when you can refute what I'm saying. This isn't cutting it.

I'd be interested in what those numbers are amongst power forwards in the NBA. What does his 3P% rank amongst PFs?


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[Thunder Up]

Get back to me when you can refute what I'm saying. This isn't cutting it.

If you wouldn't be overjoyed by OKC adding Rudy Gay to their team, then I don't have any words for you.
Especially if Presti could work out some kind of magic that allows the team to keep Kanter in the fold, while retaining Roberson

[getrichordie]

Get back to me when you can refute what I'm saying. This isn't cutting it.

If you wouldn't be overjoyed by OKC adding Rudy Gay to their team, then I don't have any words for you.
Especially if Presti could work out some kind of magic that allows the team to keep Kanter in the fold, while retaining Roberson

I'd also like to add that amongst POWER forwards, Gay ranked really well this season.

Based on a quick stats search (filtered by 25 games played and at least a reasonable 2.5 threes taken every game; Gay took 3.8 on a bad team), Gay shot 37.2%. I'm happy with that percentage, period. Even better if it's coming from a player playing the 4. He shoots 38.1% on corner threes too.

And only an idiot would say that he wouldn't at least maintain, if not improve that performance playing with a Paul George and a Russell Westbrook.

Assuming Russ can at least maintain a 35-36 percentage from the 3, a line up of him, Abrines, George, Gay, and Adams would be really good and really stretchy offensively.

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[getrichordie]

Also, I'd like to add this:

Presti should be going HARD after McLemore before anyone else can get him. He's a perfect risk-reward candidate. Has improved his 3-pt% every year and I think he could break out in the right environment. Bank on SAC being a bad environment and putting him in the right culture and see what he can do. Only thing you have to lose is money. Let him battle it out with Fergie.


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[spearsy23]

The only way this works out is if Kanter gets dealt. Rudy Gay is not the player this team needs. And he certainly isn't a 'Stretch 4'.

He's definitely a stretch 4.

His career 3PT % is 34.5 %. Since he entered the league, there have been 95 guys with at least 1800 total 3PA over the last 10 years. Out of those 95, he's 83rd in 3P%.
Over the last four season, Gay has shot 222/609 open and wide open 3s per stats.nba.com. That's 36.4 %.
I've posted his Catch and Shoot numbers earlier.

Consider him a 'stretch 4' if you want to. I won't get fooled into thinking he's a good shooter. He isn't. Just like Wilson Chandler is not a good shooter. The stats are all out there.
Is he a better offensive player than most of our wings? Yes, definitely. Could he be helpful in the right role? Yes, of course. But he is redundant if Kanter is still here. We don't need another guy who demands the ball. Rudy Gay isn't suddenly become a knockdown shooter after getting injured.

If we get rid of Kanter in the process: Do it. But only then.

The only way this works out is if Kanter gets dealt. Rudy Gay is not the player this team needs. And he certainly isn't a 'Stretch 4'.

Your hate for Rudy must run deep

Get back to me when you can refute what I'm saying. This isn't cutting it.

League average 3 point shooting is 35.8% when you get league average from your 4 that's a stretch 4. I'm not sure what you think qualifies as 'stretch' but gay is definitely defended out to the three point line.

[getrichordie]

He's definitely a stretch 4.

His career 3PT % is 34.5 %. Since he entered the league, there have been 95 guys with at least 1800 total 3PA over the last 10 years. Out of those 95, he's 83rd in 3P%.
Over the last four season, Gay has shot 222/609 open and wide open 3s per stats.nba.com. That's 36.4 %.
I've posted his Catch and Shoot numbers earlier.

Consider him a 'stretch 4' if you want to. I won't get fooled into thinking he's a good shooter. He isn't. Just like Wilson Chandler is not a good shooter. The stats are all out there.
Is he a better offensive player than most of our wings? Yes, definitely. Could he be helpful in the right role? Yes, of course. But he is redundant if Kanter is still here. We don't need another guy who demands the ball. Rudy Gay isn't suddenly become a knockdown shooter after getting injured.

If we get rid of Kanter in the process: Do it. But only then.

Your hate for Rudy must run deep

Get back to me when you can refute what I'm saying. This isn't cutting it.

League average 3 point shooting is 35.8% when you get league average from your 4 that's a stretch 4. I'm not sure what you think qualifies as 'stretch' but gay is definitely defended out to the three point line.

Also, no disrespect to Pill, but why look back 10 years? You aren't even looking at what a player did 5 years ago when signing him. You are looking at his recent body of work. Looking back 10 years seems like a cherry-picking kind of thing to do. Such an arbitrary number. If I'm signing a player I'm seeing what kind of performance has he sustained across the previous 2-3 years at most.


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[Pillendreher]

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Not finding a 3rd team to take Kanter I guess.

[Old Man Game]

The thing about signing a player like Rudy Gay as a way to entice Russell Westbrook to stay long term is, obviously if Westbrook tests free agency he'll likely be able to find Opportunities to play with players a lot better than Rudy Gay. So where are you really?

[spearsy23]

The thing about signing a player like Rudy Gay as a way to entice Russell Westbrook to stay long term is, obviously if Westbrook tests free agency he'll likely be able to find Opportunities to play with players a lot better than Rudy Gay. So where are you really?

In the same place you are if you don't sign Rudy gay and Russ walks, the lottery.

[Pillendreher]

The thing about signing a player like Rudy Gay as a way to entice Russell Westbrook to stay long term is, obviously if Westbrook tests free agency he'll likely be able to find Opportunities to play with players a lot better than Rudy Gay. So where are you really?

I don't think this will be much of a problem. Presti is not gonna offer him a 4 year contract (I think).

Btw: If he pulls this off while getting rid of Kanter, we'll make out like bandits. This is something I'd approve of, even if it means getting Gay.