2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[Prokorov]

I'm good with Russell-CL-KCP Or Russell-CL-Otto... I think either one of those players will look a lot better under kenny's system.

Don't like the contracts being mentioned but we have so much cap space so I'm not opposed to it. I'm fine with either KCP/Otto or salary dump plus asset.

Patterson plus KCP/Otto would be ideal.

We wouldnt have cap space after the deal though. we would be capped out... and after next season we need to start handing out big extensions

[Keith Van Horn]

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Not gonna lie, that blow by Batum and dunk got me super charged. Then the 3 to tie at the end was just clutch.

we could even go small ball lineup of Lin / Russ / KCP / Levert / Booker or RHJ to really space the floor to get 3's or just good open looks.

[Prokorov]

Am I crazy for liking Caldwell-Pope more than Porter?

Just purely off of watching them, it just looks so much easier and effortless for KCP to score compared to Porter

I mean porter is no stud. but yeah... porter has been better.

im not sure "effortless" would be a word id used to describe a guy who shot 39% from the field with a 51 TS%. he certainly had incredible struggles when it comes to scoring.

I like porter more for his length... although if we are talking ceiling im not sure KCP's isnt higher. as it seems porter has had some development under the wiz while KCP has had none to where maybe our staff gets alot more out of KCP then detroit did.

they are both role players i want no part of at the max. id lean porter but honestly i dont know that there is a huge difference long term. but right now, porter is better.

[Paradise]

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Not gonna lie, that blow by Batum and dunk got me super charged. Then the 3 to tie at the end was just clutch.

we could even go small ball lineup of Lin / Russ / KCP / Levert / Booker or RHJ to really space the floor to get 3's or just good open looks.

We'll be going small a lot next season. Positionless basketball.

[Prokorov]

Am I crazy for liking Caldwell-Pope more than Porter?

Just purely off of watching them, it just looks so much easier and effortless for KCP to score compared to Porter

Porter is assisted on 69% of his 2s and 96% of his corner 3s.

KCP was assisted on 54% of his 2s and 84% of his corner 3s.


I think KCP would probably put up Porter like percentages next to Wall instead of Reggie Jackson. I don't think it's crazy at all. It's just a short term bad fit but could be a long term investment depending on contract structure and Lin's future.

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i agree.... i dont think their 3 point shooting is all that different. overall KCP assited on just 78% of his threes. he is creating more of his own offense. if you swap them maybe porter is still better but its probably really close.

for me its the size that makes me prefer porter. at 6'8" and long i like him better then KCP given levert is on the shorter side for a SF.

[Prokorov]

Am I crazy for liking Caldwell-Pope more than Porter?

Just purely off of watching them, it just looks so much easier and effortless for KCP to score compared to Porter

Porter is assisted on 69% of his 2s and 96% of his corner 3s.

KCP was assisted on 54% of his 2s and 84% of his corner 3s.


I think KCP would probably put up Porter like percentages next to Wall instead of Reggie Jackson. I don't think it's crazy at all. It's just a short term bad fit but could be a long term investment depending on contract structure and Lin's future.

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I don't mind KCP as a player. I do think he can help in the future. I just think Lin has such a prominent role for us that taking on KCP is not intelligent. I think KA and Marks is looking to keep Lin just because of the leadership he brings to the table. You can't say the same for KCP. We don't even know what D-Lo is going to be as leader. So having Lin Mentoring him as a person will help. I have a feeling Lin will be a Net for the rest of his career.

Lin is what... 29? there is no way you pass on 23 or 24 year old players because of lin. lin is short term here. maybe another 2-4 years. KCP could be a career long net... 8-10 years.

Lin can still be a leader if he is eventually moved to a bench role and should start for at least the next year

[Keith Van Horn]

Am I crazy for liking Caldwell-Pope more than Porter?

Just purely off of watching them, it just looks so much easier and effortless for KCP to score compared to Porter

Porter is assisted on 69% of his 2s and 96% of his corner 3s.

KCP was assisted on 54% of his 2s and 84% of his corner 3s.


I think KCP would probably put up Porter like percentages next to Wall instead of Reggie Jackson. I don't think it's crazy at all. It's just a short term bad fit but could be a long term investment depending on contract structure and Lin's future.

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i agree.... i dont think their 3 point shooting is all that different. overall KCP assited on just 78% of his threes. he is creating more of his own offense. if you swap them maybe porter is still better but its probably really close.

for me its the size that makes me prefer porter. at 6'8" and long i like him better then KCP given levert is on the shorter side for a SF.

that's my biggest drawback with KCP too, that he's a few inches smaller than Porter. I think Porter is the better fit right now, but I'd be happy still with either guy in the end.

[Prokorov]

Porter is assisted on 69% of his 2s and 96% of his corner 3s.

KCP was assisted on 54% of his 2s and 84% of his corner 3s.


I think KCP would probably put up Porter like percentages next to Wall instead of Reggie Jackson. I don't think it's crazy at all. It's just a short term bad fit but could be a long term investment depending on contract structure and Lin's future.

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i agree.... i dont think their 3 point shooting is all that different. overall KCP assited on just 78% of his threes. he is creating more of his own offense. if you swap them maybe porter is still better but its probably really close.

for me its the size that makes me prefer porter. at 6'8" and long i like him better then KCP given levert is on the shorter side for a SF.

that's my biggest drawback with KCP too, that he's a few inches smaller than Porter. I think Porter is the better fit right now, but I'd be happy still with either guy in the end.

id still be frustrated with either.... i just think its a bad longterm move to give either the max. its a pretty decent sized gamble.

[RJ 24]

I don't think we'd have to give KCP the max

Offer him $88M/4

[moonpie]

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[Keith Van Horn]

it's going to be an interesting week.

I'm also hoping we can bring in some other sort of veteran presence to help Lin with the team this year.

Prok what's our cap space, 32m?

[Keith Van Horn]

i'd be shocked if we made any pitch to Gallo. Haven't heard his name linked to us once. I think that's something we can stop looking into.

In all, we should expect to hear about Porter, KCP, and Carrol in a salary dump.

[DeRoma]

Porter is assisted on 69% of his 2s and 96% of his corner 3s.

KCP was assisted on 54% of his 2s and 84% of his corner 3s.


I think KCP would probably put up Porter like percentages next to Wall instead of Reggie Jackson. I don't think it's crazy at all. It's just a short term bad fit but could be a long term investment depending on contract structure and Lin's future.

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I don't mind KCP as a player. I do think he can help in the future. I just think Lin has such a prominent role for us that taking on KCP is not intelligent. I think KA and Marks is looking to keep Lin just because of the leadership he brings to the table. You can't say the same for KCP. We don't even know what D-Lo is going to be as leader. So having Lin Mentoring him as a person will help. I have a feeling Lin will be a Net for the rest of his career.

Lin is what... 29? there is no way you pass on 23 or 24 year old players because of lin. lin is short term here. maybe another 2-4 years. KCP could be a career long net... 8-10 years.

Lin can still be a leader if he is eventually moved to a bench role and should start for at least the next year

Not what I mean. Pretty sure Lin took less money to come here because he was promised a starting role. Lin also brings leadership that focuses on having a very family oriented type of team. Which is something that's huge for chemistry and culture on what Marks want. KCP does not bring that to the table. We do need KCP as a player when Lin is older. But are you really willing to pay 20 mill a year for a player that will come off the bench for the first 2 years? Marks can't suddenly bench Lin. That will destroy the Morale of the team when Lin is the most respected player in our team. KCP is a player in need but not in dire. If we can't land Porter, I think we are better off looking for other opportunities that will come in the future. But not castrait our mobility for a player that will come in the bench thats already getting paid big money. Even when that contract ends that will be so impossible to flip. Worse than Crabbe IMO.

[Prokorov]

I don't think we'd have to give KCP the max

Offer him $88M/4

the cheaper we get him the better. but 22M per year vs 25M per year isnt really effecting our longterm cap

[Prokorov]

Not what I mean. Pretty sure Lin took less money to come here because he was promised a starting role. Lin also brings leadership that focuses on having a very family oriented type of team. Which is something that's huge for chemistry and culture on what Marks want. KCP does not bring that to the table. We do need KCP as a player when Lin is older. But are you really willing to pay 20 mill a year for a player that will come off the bench for the first 2 years? Marks can't suddenly bench Lin. That will destroy the Morale of the team when Lin is the most respected player in our team. KCP is a player in need but not in dire. If we can't land Porter, I think we are better off looking for other opportunities that will come in the future. But not castrait our mobility for a player that will come in the bench thats already getting paid big money. Even when that contract ends that will be so impossible to flip. Worse than Crabbe IMO.

You can 100% bench lin if you need to, and it wouldnt even come close to effecting team morale unless lin made some super selfish stink about it which i cant imagine he would.

what we cant do is let lin hold the franchise hostage because he needs to start or he will become a distraction. again i dont think he would anyway.

Lin shouldnt even be a consideration when discussing players 24 and under. thats the future of our team. lin is a short term stop gap or if he is here longterm its as a 6th man.

either way, under no circumstance does a max signing sit. it would be Lin, russell or levert sitting. probably levert or russell and then evnetually Lin once russell and levert hit their stride this or next year

[Prokorov]

it's going to be an interesting week.

I'm also hoping we can bring in some other sort of veteran presence to help Lin with the team this year.

Prok what's our cap space, 32m?

[RJ 24]

Here's where my head would be at as Marks:

1. Trade Andrew Nicholson to the Raptors for DeMarre Carroll, Bruno Cabloco (or Lucas Nogueira), & 2018 1st
2. Sign Kentavious Caldwell-Pope to a 4 year, $88M deal

PG: Jeremy Lin / Isaiah Whitehead / Spencer Dinwiddie / Archie Goodwin
SG: D'Angelo Russell / Caris LeVert / Sean Kilpatrick
SF: Kentavious Caldwell Pope / Joe Harris / Bruno Caboclo
PF: Demarre Carroll / Rondae Hollis-Jefferson / Trevor Booker / Quincy Acy
C: Timofey Mozgov / Justin Hamilton / Jarrett Allen

I know a lot of people won't like LeVert and Hollis-Jefferson on the bench, but they will get just as much PT as the starters and offers us a lot of different looks

Going into 2018, Lin and Booker's contracts come off the books giving us $20M right there alone. Carroll also becomes a $14M expiring.

Thoughts?

[Prokorov]

Not what I mean. Pretty sure Lin took less money to come here because he was promised a starting role.

and he was given a starting role last year. its not somekind of charity lifetime position. we cant be held hostage because Lin wants to start. if we can add young talent we do it. this teams future is more important then 2 or so years of Lin being a starter

Lin also brings leadership that focuses on having a very family oriented type of team. Which is something that's huge for chemistry and culture on what Marks want.

and he can be a leader playing 25+ minutes of the bench. and if he really buys into family they he wouldnt be so selfish and accept a bench role if it was whats best for the teams future

KCP does not bring that to the table. We do need KCP as a player when Lin is older. But are you really willing to pay 20 mill a year for a player that will come off the bench for the first 2 years? Marks can't suddenly bench Lin. That will destroy the Morale of the team when Lin is the most respected player in our team. KCP is a player in need but not in dire. If we can't land Porter, I think we are better off looking for other opportunities that will come in the future. But not castrait our mobility for a player that will come in the bench thats already getting paid big money. Even when that contract ends that will be so impossible to flip. Worse than Crabbe IMO.

benching Lin doesnt effect the teams morale unless lin all of a sudden becomes some selfish guy who doesnt care about his teammates or the fans. he will accept a bench role. and if we give KCP the max, there is 0 chance he sits on the bench. it would be lin, levert, or russell. probably lin or levert early on and then evnetually lin

[Papi_swav]

Porter is assisted on 69% of his 2s and 96% of his corner 3s.

KCP was assisted on 54% of his 2s and 84% of his corner 3s.


I think KCP would probably put up Porter like percentages next to Wall instead of Reggie Jackson. I don't think it's crazy at all. It's just a short term bad fit but could be a long term investment depending on contract structure and Lin's future.

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i agree.... i dont think their 3 point shooting is all that different. overall KCP assited on just 78% of his threes. he is creating more of his own offense. if you swap them maybe porter is still better but its probably really close.

for me its the size that makes me prefer porter. at 6'8" and long i like him better then KCP given levert is on the shorter side for a SF.

that's my biggest drawback with KCP too, that he's a few inches smaller than Porter. I think Porter is the better fit right now, but I'd be happy still with either guy in the end.

Exactly its the same for me... Porter can play the 3 and 4 which we need, KCP is more of a guard and might struggle to guard bigger 3s and most definitely can't play the 4. Imagine having Porter on this team, that length though, we have wingspan for dayssss.

[Prokorov]

Here's where my head would be at as Marks:

1. Trade Andrew Nicholson to the Raptors for DeMarre Carroll, Bruno Cabloco (or Lucas Nogueira), & 2018 1st

Completely unrealistic trade. big time overpay to eat a 2 year deal and they have to take back a terrible useless contract for nicholson. taking on nicholson means they only shed 2/18. your not giving up a first and a young prospect to shave 9 million per year.

maybe we get that if we give them pure cap space. certainly not with nicholson inclided. this is masai ujiri not magic johnson.

I know a lot of people won't like LeVert and Hollis-Jefferson on the bench, but they will get just as much PT as the starters and offers us a lot of different looks

Going into 2018, Lin and Booker's contracts come off the books giving us $20M right there alone. Carroll also becomes a $14M expiring.

Thoughts?

i have no issue with levert or RHJ off the bench. i think longterm RHJ is probably a 6th or 7th man. Levert still doesnt have a full year under his belt. and like you said they all get 25+ minutes either way