The case AGAINST keeping Millsap

[Jamaaliver]

See I played around with the idea of sending Rubio to Utah and picking up Favors, Deng, and Exum with Sap going to Minny. We just make up the value with our 1st round picks we have, if we need to(Minny first, Cleveland first). Also included Baze going to a team with cap space for one of our own first round picks. That gives us a running mate in Exum next to Dennis, and young, experienced, & talented frontcourt players to play with Collins in Favors and Dieng. Match THJ.

We could roll out:

PG- Schro
SG- Exum
SF- Prince
PF- Favors
C- Dieng

Bench: THJ(6th man), Dorsey, Moose, Collins, Plumlee, Marco

More than likely lands us in the lottery, but there's plenty of potential and upside including extending Favors, while being young. I could get behind taking a step back to hope that core becomes the next big thing in Atlanta and in the league. Exum is a guy I have had my eye on for a while.

I could get down with this.

Seems to good to be true, right?

Losing Millsap but getting Exum, Favors and Dieng in return via trade...

Legit question: can Exum shoot well enough to play alongside Schroeder?

[Geaux_Hawks]

See I played around with the idea of sending Rubio to Utah and picking up Favors, Deng, and Exum with Sap going to Minny. We just make up the value with our 1st round picks we have, if we need to(Minny first, Cleveland first). Also included Baze going to a team with cap space for one of our own first round picks. That gives us a running mate in Exum next to Dennis, and young, experienced, & talented frontcourt players to play with Collins in Favors and Dieng. Match THJ.

We could roll out:

PG- Schro
SG- Exum
SF- Prince
PF- Favors
C- Dieng

Bench: THJ(6th man), Dorsey, Moose, Collins, Plumlee, Marco

More than likely lands us in the lottery, but there's plenty of potential and upside including extending Favors, while being young. I could get behind taking a step back to hope that core becomes the next big thing in Atlanta and in the league. Exum is a guy I have had my eye on for a while.

I could get down with this.

Seems to good to be true, right?

Losing Millsap but getting Exum, Favors and Dieng in return via trade...

Legit question: can Exum shoot well enough to play alongside Schroeder?

He's not a shooter per say, but he can play off the ball, and handle the ball. He's very young though and working on his shot was always one of his things he needed to work on coming into the league.

[Jamaaliver]

Legit question: can Exum shoot well enough to play alongside Schroeder?

He's not a shooter per say, but he can play off the ball, and handle the ball. He's very young though and working on his shot was always one of his things he needed to work on coming into the league.

Well let's get him enrolled in Hawks University.

At this point, young talented, cheap players should be collected...regardless of fit.

Best case scenario, we develop them and then trade them off for future assets.

No more tossing young players away. Those days have to be over, right?

[Geaux_Hawks]

Legit question: can Exum shoot well enough to play alongside Schroeder?

He's not a shooter per say, but he can play off the ball, and handle the ball. He's very young though and working on his shot was always one of his things he needed to work on coming into the league.

Well let's get him enrolled in Hawks University.

At this point, young talented, cheap players should be collected...regardless of fit.

Best case scenario, we develop them and then trade them off for future assets.

No more tossing young players away. Those days have to be over, right?

When we have an actual GM, I don't think we ever threw legit prospects away, so yes, those days are over.

[MaceCase]

See I played around with the idea of sending Rubio to Utah and picking up Favors, Deng, and Exum with Sap going to Minny. We just make up the value with our 1st round picks we have, if we need to(Minny first, Cleveland first). Also included Baze going to a team with cap space for one of our own first round picks. That gives us a running mate in Exum next to Dennis, and young, experienced, & talented frontcourt players to play with Collins in Favors and Dieng. Match THJ.

We could roll out:

PG- Schro
SG- Exum
SF- Prince
PF- Favors
C- Dieng

Bench: THJ(6th man), Dorsey, Moose, Collins, Plumlee, Marco

More than likely lands us in the lottery, but there's plenty of potential and upside including extending Favors, while being young. I could get behind taking a step back to hope that core becomes the next big thing in Atlanta and in the league. Exum is a guy I have had my eye on for a while.

That lineup is almost entirely bereft of shooting, I want Dennis having all the space he needs. I'd flip the lineup for better balance:

Schroder-Exum-Delaney
Belinelli-Hardaway-Dorsey
Prince-Hardaway-Belinelli
Musky-Collins-Favors
Favors-Dieng-Collins-Plumlee

Let it be the Schro-show with the starters, Beli and Musky spacing, Prince the athletic finisher and Favors rim protecting/rebounding. Off the bench Exum can have the ball in his hands with guys that can run with him.

[dms269]

See I am adamantly against us giving up any of our own firsts during this "retooling". Too much of a gamble right now.

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[Jamaaliver]

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Good for Paul. He deserves to be courted and wooed.

We should have traded him to one of these 6-8 teams last summer...

Curse you, Mike Budenholzer.

Spoiler:

Under the rules of the CBA, Millsap cannot make more money with a sign and trade (the days of a team signing a guy to a five-year max in a sign-and-trade are gone, now that contract can only be for the four-year deal another team could offer as a free agent). Which means the only motivation for these other teams is to clear out some cap space needed to sign Millsap, or to get other value. Bleacher Report

[Geaux_Hawks]

See I played around with the idea of sending Rubio to Utah and picking up Favors, Deng, and Exum with Sap going to Minny. We just make up the value with our 1st round picks we have, if we need to(Minny first, Cleveland first). Also included Baze going to a team with cap space for one of our own first round picks. That gives us a running mate in Exum next to Dennis, and young, experienced, & talented frontcourt players to play with Collins in Favors and Dieng. Match THJ.

We could roll out:

PG- Schro
SG- Exum
SF- Prince
PF- Favors
C- Dieng

Bench: THJ(6th man), Dorsey, Moose, Collins, Plumlee, Marco

More than likely lands us in the lottery, but there's plenty of potential and upside including extending Favors, while being young. I could get behind taking a step back to hope that core becomes the next big thing in Atlanta and in the league. Exum is a guy I have had my eye on for a while.

That lineup is almost entirely bereft of shooting, I want Dennis having all the space he needs. I'd flip the lineup for better balance:

Schroder-Exum-Delaney
Belinelli-Hardaway-Dorsey
Prince-Hardaway-Belinelli
Musky-Collins-Favors
Favors-Dieng-Collins-Plumlee

Let it be the Schro-show with the starters, Beli and Musky spacing, Prince the athletic finisher and Favors rim protecting/rebounding. Off the bench Exum can have the ball in his hands with guys that can run with him.

I could dig that, although I think at least having Exum use his ability to work off the ball with Dennis would be better than just having Belli as a spacer with the starters. Essentially taking turns with the ball wouldn't be hard for them to do anyway and at least takes some of the focus off of Schro. Just saw that Schlenk want us to play faster and Exum for sure allows that to happen because he to is an athletic finisher.

[Geaux_Hawks]

See I am adamantly against us giving up any of our own firsts during this "retooling". Too much of a gamble right now.

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I would assume any move giving up our first would be one down the line in 2020, and by that time, we should at least be competitive enough to where that pick isn't a high pick. Keep in mind we're using Minny's pick + Cavs pick before even considering our own picks. The players we pick up will hopefully be worth more than whatever prospect we would get with those picks. At least that would be the logic behind trading any pick of course.

[Jamaaliver]

Millsap and Atlanta Hawks need a divorce

What motivation does Paul Millsap have to come back to the Atlanta Hawks?

Millsap could certainly make oodles of money with the Hawks. But he could compete elsewhere. Teams on the rise such as the Denver Nuggets and Miami Heat would love to add him. He could take a slight pay cut and wind up on even more competitive squads like the Boston Celtics. The possibilities are (figuratively) endless.

Staying and floundering shouldn't be near the top of his decision-making hierarchy. Even if Atlanta is reticent about its direction, trading Dwight Howard...is a clear-cut indication of where it's headed. This might not yet be a full-scale rebuild, but it's teetering on the verge of becoming one, and Luka Doncic and Michael Porter Jr. are looming in the not-so-distant future.

Should Millsap depart, he'll get a chance to win as he moves deeper into his 30s.

And more importantly for the Hawks, they'll be free to unabashedly sink toward the bottom of the Eastern Conference while giving big developmental minutes to Prince, DeAndre' Bembry, Tyler Dorsey and John Collins.

Bleacher Report

[Jamaaliver]

Just imagine if we'd traded Millsap to ORL before the draft instead of Oklahoma City jumping on that deal. We could have gotten a lottery pick + Victor Oladipo + Ilyansova. That'd be huge for us now and long-term.

You might want to sit down for this one Jamaal:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244530/Magic-Tried-To-Trade-For-Paul-Millsap-Before-Doing-Serge-Ibaka-Deal

OKC turned An expiring Ibaka into an expiring Paul George.

That should have been us...sending Millsap to ORL and then turning that trade package into P George or J Butler.

Bad asset management.


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[dms269]

Just imagine if we'd traded Millsap to ORL before the draft instead of Oklahoma City jumping on that deal. We could have gotten a lottery pick + Victor Oladipo + Ilyansova. That'd be huge for us now and long-term.

You might want to sit down for this one Jamaal:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244530/Magic-Tried-To-Trade-For-Paul-Millsap-Before-Doing-Serge-Ibaka-Deal

OKC turned An expiring Ibaka into an expiring Paul George.

That should have been us...sending Millsap to ORL and then turning that trade package into P George or J Butler.

Bad asset management.


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Does an expiring PG really do anything for this team as it is constructed though?

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[Geaux_Hawks]

You might want to sit down for this one Jamaal:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244530/Magic-Tried-To-Trade-For-Paul-Millsap-Before-Doing-Serge-Ibaka-Deal

OKC turned An expiring Ibaka into an expiring Paul George.

That should have been us...sending Millsap to ORL and then turning that trade package into P George or J Butler.

Bad asset management.


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Does an expiring PG really do anything for this team as it is constructed though?

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No, and when PG walks at the end of the year, it will still be bad asset management.

[jayu70]

Just imagine if we'd traded Millsap to ORL before the draft instead of Oklahoma City jumping on that deal. We could have gotten a lottery pick + Victor Oladipo + Ilyansova. That'd be huge for us now and long-term.

You might want to sit down for this one Jamaal:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244530/Magic-Tried-To-Trade-For-Paul-Millsap-Before-Doing-Serge-Ibaka-Deal

OKC turned An expiring Ibaka into an expiring Paul George.

That should have been us...sending Millsap to ORL and then turning that trade package into P George or J Butler.

Bad asset management.


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That's only if you assume that the EXACT same package of Oladipo, Illyasova and the #11 pick were offered for Millsap (I don't remember seeing any specific details). You'd also have to assume that Atlanta had extended Oladipo for $20 million (which it seems that OKC regretted).

[Jamaaliver]

OKC turned An expiring Ibaka into an expiring Paul George.

That should have been us...sending Millsap to ORL and then turning that trade package into P George or J Butler.

Bad asset management.


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Does an expiring PG really do anything for this team as it is constructed though?

Fair question. I don't believe we'd be constructed this way with the trade of Millsap and acquisition of Oladipo. (There'd be no Bazemore mega contract with Taurean, VO, THJ, Bembry, Thabo, Korver on our roster last summer.)

I also think we could've simply gotten in as a third team on a PG trade.

VO clearly has more trade value than Bazemore and him being under contract for years gives us more flexibility



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[MaceCase]

OKC made out like bandits being able to dump Oladipo's contract, I suppose Indy is still trying to play off his lotto hype and IU connections to sell some tickets in a rebuild year.

Atlanta also dodged a bullet. It's wishful thinking to believe that Oladipo, a combo guard, would have made Bazemore, a wing, expendable when he received his new contract with the roster already having Korver, Thabo and Hardaway with recent draftees Prince and Bembry. Not having to offer a new contract to Millsap could have meant the team offering bad contracts to Horford by meeting his price, Bazemore, and Oladipo all in one summer not to mention Dwight. Yikes.

[Jamaaliver]

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It was pretty simple, Denver, they came and they’ve been wanting me for years. They made that known. The presentation that they gave me, it felt comfortable, it felt real. At the end of the day it was going to be the team that I felt most comfortable with and Atlanta. Atlanta decided to go another direction. They didn’t want to make an offer. So it was pretty simple. Denver was the team… I thought I meant a bit more than that to [the Hawks]. But it is what it is.

AJC


^This was pretty much the whole reason for the whole damn thread. One year ago, we knew we'd either be stuck offering a less than stellar contract...or watching him walk away.

We'd have been better off being compensated by DEN for Millsap. The fact that we didn't is a large reason why Bud is no longer the President of BBall Ops and why Wilcox is currently not employed in the NBA.

The fact that this happened two summers in a row is confounding.

[Jamaaliver]

Every NBA Team's Worst Regret from the Year 2017

Atlanta Hawks: Not Trading Paul Millsap Earlier

The Atlanta Hawks can't keep prolonging divorces with key players and taking back far less in return for their services. They made that mistake with Al Horford, then watched as he joined the Boston Celtics, with whom he's developed into a Defensive Player of the Year front-runner and legitimate MVP candidate. Now, they're starting to realize they fell into the same trap with Paul Millsap.

"Atlanta (19-16) is engaged in discussions with several teams on forward Paul Millsap, who can become a free agent in July, and the organization is motivated to move him sooner rather than later, sources said," Shams Charania and Adrian Wojnarowski reported for The Vertical in January. "Toronto, Denver and Sacramento are among teams with an interest in Millsap, league sources said."

But the Hawks held tight.

Instead of getting intriguing young players and/or draft picks, they extended their playoff streak to 10 consecutive seasons and lost in the first round, bowing out after six games against the superior Washington Wizards. Then Millsap opted out, and the front office was able to finagle a three-way sign-and-trade that netted Jamal Crawford (waived), Diamond Stone (waived), a protected first-round pick and cash.


They made the best of a bad situation, but the bad situation was already worse than it should have been.

Bleacher Report

Bad asset management.

[macd-gm]

Every NBA Team's Worst Regret from the Year 2017

Atlanta Hawks: Not Trading Paul Millsap Earlier

The Atlanta Hawks can't keep prolonging divorces with key players and taking back far less in return for their services. They made that mistake with Al Horford, then watched as he joined the Boston Celtics, with whom he's developed into a Defensive Player of the Year front-runner and legitimate MVP candidate. Now, they're starting to realize they fell into the same trap with Paul Millsap.

"Atlanta (19-16) is engaged in discussions with several teams on forward Paul Millsap, who can become a free agent in July, and the organization is motivated to move him sooner rather than later, sources said," Shams Charania and Adrian Wojnarowski reported for The Vertical in January. "Toronto, Denver and Sacramento are among teams with an interest in Millsap, league sources said."

But the Hawks held tight.

Instead of getting intriguing young players and/or draft picks, they extended their playoff streak to 10 consecutive seasons and lost in the first round, bowing out after six games against the superior Washington Wizards. Then Millsap opted out, and the front office was able to finagle a three-way sign-and-trade that netted Jamal Crawford (waived), Diamond Stone (waived), a protected first-round pick and cash.


They made the best of a bad situation, but the bad situation was already worse than it should have been.

Bleacher Report

Bad asset management.

Ugh. Where to even start with this bs. Totally makes everything he says seem stupid by leading with Al Horford as a legitimate MVP candidate. WTF!!!!!!

Did we screw up? Yes. but this is a vast oversimplification. We wanted to bring Al back but failed to realize he had no intention of staying. Had we brought him back we'd have a 'legitimate MVP candidate' on the team. oyvay.

Sap didn't walk. He would have stayed. Bud and Resseller had every intention of keeping him here until someone convinced Resseller that Budcox was a horrible gm and he needed help.

[Jamaaliver]

^I suppose.

I just can't help but wonder...

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