2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[Prokorov]

Man you are so inconsistent... Just a month ago you were one of the advocate who doesn't want anything to do with KCP. Now you are trying to push for this idea? Why? He is definitely a need but not desperately. We also need a stretch 4, a prototypical swingman, and other assets. Yet, you are looking for the Nets to get tied up for a priority that's not even on the top of the list? Is it really just all about power with you? Like seriously all I want to do is talk about Nets basketball... I just feel like everytime I read your posts, It's literally all over the place.

What in the world are you talking about? I 100% do NOT want KCP. its basically all ive said the last 8 pages of this thread, even asking people to convince my why its a good idea since im so down on the move.

My point wasnt we should bring in KCP... my point was its absurd to think Lin not starting would even be a considerationa s to why we wouldnt bring in KCP.

my other point was its absurd to think that KCP would sit on the bench if we gave him a max contract.

Lin doesnt factor into these decisions at all.

Ok, all i'm saying is I don't anything to do with KCP and that contract. We can spend it elsewhere and improve our team dramatically.

Lin has to factor into getting as big of a role as D-lo because the whole point of this coming season has to be accumulating as much wins as possible to see how much we need to make the playoffs. Even Marks said it, there is no reason to lose games. Lin getting as big of a role as D-Lo will definitely benefit this team greatly.

Before you call me a Lin fan I'm not. I just think he is capable of making our line up much better.

this season has nothing to do with wins. it will be the same as last year were we sacrafice winning for development. there is a BIG reason to lose games... so that you can allow young guys to play through mistakes. that strategy worked fantstic last year

[vincecarter4pres]

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I want this guy.... This guy can play

Yeah, I'm a fan. He isn't a FA until next summer though.

[DeRoma]

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I want this guy.... This guy can play

Yeah, I'm a fan. He isn't a FA until next summer though.

We can trade for him with Carroll

[Ror1997]

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I want this guy.... This guy can play

He's good, and too good for the raptors to trade him. You would have to take on Carroll and JV to even start talking about Powell , and even then, theyou have a top 3 GM. You're not fleecing him.

[Prokorov]

The raptors owner came out and said he wold go into the luxury tax if needed.

Carroll isnt some huge albatross of a contract. 2 years 30 million for a useful 2 way guy?

We would get EITHER a first or one of there ok prospects (Poetl, Bruno, Noguiera). not both. probable a prospect or firsrt rounder and then a second rounder.

We arent dealing with Magic anymore. we wont be able to fleece masai. in fact he is probably looking to see if he can more carroll without giving up an asset at all. calling all the sucker GMs first

[DeRoma]

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He's good, and too good for the raptors to trade him. You would have to take on Carroll and JV to even start talking about Powell , and even then, theyou have a top 3 GM. You're not fleecing him.

IDK, he doesn't really have a spot in Toronto. Having Derozan infront and being over the luxury tax can soften the blow on acquiring him.

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He's good, and too good for the raptors to trade him. You would have to take on Carroll and JV to even start talking about Powell , and even then, theyou have a top 3 GM. You're not fleecing him.

No way could he attach all that salary to him. He's going to get a max contract offer next summer in all likelihood, they're going to be way into the tax if they don't make other moves and will have trouble matching. You don't take all that salary on, just to pay him maz as well. He's good, he's not nearly that good, nor proven.

I think I wouldn't even want us to take on Carroll with him. You can probably just max him next summer and watch Toronto scramble to dump bad salary and if they can't, he'll be the rare case of a young talented player who is let to walk.

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[Prokorov]

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He's good, and too good for the raptors to trade him. You would have to take on Carroll and JV to even start talking about Powell , and even then, theyou have a top 3 GM. You're not fleecing him.

IDK, he doesn't really have a spot in Toronto. Having Derozan infront and being over the luxury tax can soften the blow on acquiring him.

he is a huge part of their rotation. he is id assume untouchable. they had him playing crunch time minutes in the playoffs. he played liek 20 mpg last year

[DeRoma]

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He's good, and too good for the raptors to trade him. You would have to take on Carroll and JV to even start talking about Powell , and even then, theyou have a top 3 GM. You're not fleecing him.

No way could he attach all that salary to him. He's going to get a max contract offer next summer in all likelihood, they're going to be way into the tax if they don't make other moves and will have trouble matching. You don't take all that salary on, just to pay him maz as well. He's good, he's not nearly that good, nor proven.

I think I wouldn't even want us to take on Carroll with him. You can probably just max him next summer and watch Toronto scramble to dump bad salary and if they can't, he'll be the rare case of a young talented player who is let to walk.

Carroll only has 2 years left. I wouldn't mind taking him on as long as we get Powell and owning his rights as a RFA. I'd even attach IW if that's what it takes. Carroll wouldn't effect our future since all the dead weight contract will be up in 3 years time. We can even go over the luxury tax next year if needed just make sure we are below by the the third year.

[vincecarter4pres]

He's good, and too good for the raptors to trade him. You would have to take on Carroll and JV to even start talking about Powell , and even then, theyou have a top 3 GM. You're not fleecing him.

No way could he attach all that salary to him. He's going to get a max contract offer next summer in all likelihood, they're going to be way into the tax if they don't make other moves and will have trouble matching. You don't take all that salary on, just to pay him maz as well. He's good, he's not nearly that good, nor proven.

I think I wouldn't even want us to take on Carroll with him. You can probably just max him next summer and watch Toronto scramble to dump bad salary and if they can't, he'll be the rare case of a young talented player who is let to walk.

Carroll only has 2 years left. I wouldn't mind taking him on as long as we get Powell and owning his rights as a RFA. I'd even attach IW if that's what it takes. Carroll wouldn't effect our future since all the dead weight contract will be up in 3 years time. We can even go over the luxury tax next year if needed just make sure we are below by the the third year.

Yeah, I guess I'm exaggerating when I say not to take on Carroll, but adding Jonas is a lot.

[Prokorov]

No way could he attach all that salary to him. He's going to get a max contract offer next summer in all likelihood, they're going to be way into the tax if they don't make other moves and will have trouble matching. You don't take all that salary on, just to pay him maz as well. He's good, he's not nearly that good, nor proven.

I think I wouldn't even want us to take on Carroll with him. You can probably just max him next summer and watch Toronto scramble to dump bad salary and if they can't, he'll be the rare case of a young talented player who is let to walk.

Carroll only has 2 years left. I wouldn't mind taking him on as long as we get Powell and owning his rights as a RFA. I'd even attach IW if that's what it takes. Carroll wouldn't effect our future since all the dead weight contract will be up in 3 years time. We can even go over the luxury tax next year if needed just make sure we are below by the the third year.

Yeah, I guess I'm exaggerating when I say not to take on Carroll, but adding Jonas is a lot.

I wouldnt take JV if you gave me the next 10 #1 picks.

im all set with big white euro-stiffs.

[DeRoma]

He's good, and too good for the raptors to trade him. You would have to take on Carroll and JV to even start talking about Powell , and even then, theyou have a top 3 GM. You're not fleecing him.

IDK, he doesn't really have a spot in Toronto. Having Derozan infront and being over the luxury tax can soften the blow on acquiring him.

he is a huge part of their rotation. he is id assume untouchable. they had him playing crunch time minutes in the playoffs. he played liek 20 mpg last year

NO WAY.. Ujiri is already having a hard time getting rid of contracts. Raptors aren't as crazy as the Nets where they pay a huge load in penalty tax. They have to give up something in order for their team to have any sort of flexibility. Remember they got knocked out in the second round. They are still in dire to make a move in order for their team to improve.

The only other team I can see being a suitor is ATL. Doing a S&T with Millsap even with that perspective I'd think they have to give more than Powell.. Maybe their whole prospect of players they have been building all these years.

[Ror1997]

He's good, and too good for the raptors to trade him. You would have to take on Carroll and JV to even start talking about Powell , and even then, theyou have a top 3 GM. You're not fleecing him.

No way could he attach all that salary to him. He's going to get a max contract offer next summer in all likelihood, they're going to be way into the tax if they don't make other moves and will have trouble matching. You don't take all that salary on, just to pay him maz as well. He's good, he's not nearly that good, nor proven.

I think I wouldn't even want us to take on Carroll with him. You can probably just max him next summer and watch Toronto scramble to dump bad salary and if they can't, he'll be the rare case of a young talented player who is let to walk.

Carroll only has 2 years left. I wouldn't mind taking him on as long as we get Powell and owning his rights as a RFA. I'd even attach IW if that's what it takes. Carroll wouldn't effect our future since all the dead weight contract will be up in 3 years time. We can even go over the luxury tax next year if needed just make sure we are below by the the third year.

VC4P: I wasn't seriously proposing that package, I was just saying it would take alot for the raptors to give him away with nothing of value coming in return.

DeRoma: you would have to add LeVert, not whitehead, to that deal to get Powell. He has value, and the raptors need him on their bench.

[Prokorov]

NO WAY.. Ujiri is already having a hard time getting rid of contracts. Raptors aren't as crazy as the Nets where they pay a huge load in penalty tax. They have to give up something in order for their team to have any sort of flexibility. Remember they got knocked out in the second round. They are still in dire to make a move in order for their team to improve.

Dumping salary doesnt allow them the ability to "make a move in order to imrpove their team". and they hurt their team even more by getting rid of their 6th man.

Their owner already said he would pay the tax for a year if needed.

Masai will give up an asset if he has too, but it wont be powell. it will probably be something more like delon wright or Saikim + a second rounder

Masai wont panic because he is in the tax and the owners are backing him

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Although he might be just enjoying the process of free agency, I think it's telling that he has a max offer sheet on the table, but is still taking meetings and hasn't signed it yet.

To me, his agent has some doubt that Washington will actually match and Porter isn't too keen on getting stuck in Sacramento. The Kings were once a really nice team, supposedly a really solid franchise for the players too, but since the Maloofs have sold, they've been very poorly run.

I still think there's a shot we land him, I'll be pretty excited. He's not great at this moment, but he's a really solid above average starter, who can play a modern style, switching between the 3 and 4 and he's got room for growth. Even if some will view him as an instant bad contract, unless he falls into an abyss, he should have at absolute worst neutral trade value if things don't work long term and so can be moved in the future with relative ease. And it's not like you'd truly know that until deep into his second of 4 seasons.

[DeRoma]

No way could he attach all that salary to him. He's going to get a max contract offer next summer in all likelihood, they're going to be way into the tax if they don't make other moves and will have trouble matching. You don't take all that salary on, just to pay him maz as well. He's good, he's not nearly that good, nor proven.

I think I wouldn't even want us to take on Carroll with him. You can probably just max him next summer and watch Toronto scramble to dump bad salary and if they can't, he'll be the rare case of a young talented player who is let to walk.

Carroll only has 2 years left. I wouldn't mind taking him on as long as we get Powell and owning his rights as a RFA. I'd even attach IW if that's what it takes. Carroll wouldn't effect our future since all the dead weight contract will be up in 3 years time. We can even go over the luxury tax next year if needed just make sure we are below by the the third year.

VC4P: I wasn't seriously proposing that package, I was just saying it would take alot for the raptors to give him away with nothing of value coming in return.

DeRoma: you would have to add LeVert, not whitehead, to that deal to get Powell. He has value, and the raptors need him on their bench.

Nope... No way, LeVert has way more value than Powell. You are forgetting who has the upper hand in a situation between the Nets and Raptors. Remember all the Nets is trying to do is to build as much prospects as much as possible to build up for the future. Raptors has to suffice hungry players that are looking to win. Fans that pushing for the team to make a leap on contention. We all know the Raps are the clippers of the east. Ujiri signed Lowry into that huge deal meaning they are doing whatever it takes to try to beat the Cavs. No way they are fine just making the playoffs. Remember he has to deal with his players. What is he going to explain to Demar and Lowry if they just keep the same team from last year?

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Although he might be just enjoying the process of free agency, I think it's telling that he has a max offer sheet on the table, but is still taking meetings and hasn't signed it yet.

To me, his agent has some doubt that Washington will actually match and Porter isn't too keen on getting stuck in Sacramento. The Kings were once a really nice team, supposedly a really solid franchise for the players too, but since the Maloofs have sold, they've been very poorly run.

I still think there's a shot we land him, I'll be pretty excited. He's not great at this moment, but he's a really solid above average starter, who can play a modern style, switching between the 3 and 4 and he's got room for growth. Even if some will view him as an instant bad contract, unless he falls into an abyss, he should have at absolute worst neutral trade value if things don't work long term and so can be moved in the future with relative ease. And it's not like you'd truly know that until deep into his second of 4 seasons.

Apart of me thinks Marks is trying to get Divac to believe they beat us to Porter first.

In actuality, we could be waiting to be the only team with $30m+ in cap room left for the other set of RFAs like Simmons, Mirotic, Green, Hardaway Jr.

I do believe there's legit interest in both KCP and Porter but it might work out better for us to let other teams fill up their rosters leaving these other RFAs to negotiate to our asking price.


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[Hello Brooklyn]

Sacramento offered the Porter the max. We're out of that sweepstakes. Probably good for us

Actually he still has to accept Sac. Maybe he would accept ours instead

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Makes for sense to Otto Porter to sign the max offer sheet for us rather than Sacramento.

No doubt were going to offer the same thing.

Brooklyn is a much better place to play than Sac. Also its going to be much easier to play in the East. And Porter would fit with us a little better.

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The raptors owner came out and said he wold go into the luxury tax if needed.

Carroll isnt some huge albatross of a contract. 2 years 30 million for a useful 2 way guy?

We would get EITHER a first or one of there ok prospects (Poetl, Bruno, Noguiera). not both. probable a prospect or firsrt rounder and then a second rounder.

We arent dealing with Magic anymore. we wont be able to fleece masai. in fact he is probably looking to see if he can more carroll without giving up an asset at all. calling all the sucker GMs first

Woj himself said that a First Round pick probably wouldn't be enough for us.

Its not a huge contract but it is going to cost them a lot in luxury tax payments.

And there are few teams that are going to have cap space to take him for nothing. So yeah this is a fleece type situation.

Carroll is dead weight. Last season was the worst of his career. There has to be an incentive for us to take him.