2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[vincecarter4pres]

Sacramento offered the Porter the max. We're out of that sweepstakes. Probably good for us

Actually he still has to accept Sac. Maybe he would accept ours instead

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Makes for sense to Otto Porter to sign the max offer sheet for us rather than Sacramento.

No doubt were going to offer the same thing.

Brooklyn is a much better place to play than Sac. Also its going to be much easier to play in the East. And Porter would fit with us a little better.

The one thing I didn't think of when I made that other post, maybe Porter really does want out of Washington and does want Sacto, so he hasn't signed the sheet yet hoping the two teams can workout a S&T?

Hope not, but that could be it.

[DeRoma]

NO WAY.. Ujiri is already having a hard time getting rid of contracts. Raptors aren't as crazy as the Nets where they pay a huge load in penalty tax. They have to give up something in order for their team to have any sort of flexibility. Remember they got knocked out in the second round. They are still in dire to make a move in order for their team to improve.

Dumping salary doesnt allow them the ability to "make a move in order to imrpove their team". and they hurt their team even more by getting rid of their 6th man.

Their owner already said he would pay the tax for a year if needed.

Masai will give up an asset if he has too, but it wont be powell. it will probably be something more like delon wright or Saikim + a second rounder

Masai wont panic because he is in the tax and the owners are backing him

They are not getting anyone for Siakim, Wright, Bruno, or even OG. No one is gonna give them the luxury of getting them out of tax purgatory for these players who hasn't proven a thing. They are all super talented but so was Chris McCullough and did we get anything for him? No.

Every team knows that all they have to do is to wait for them to collapse. Powell is an RFA next year who will be looking for KCP money. And he deserves it a lot more than KCP.

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Although he might be just enjoying the process of free agency, I think it's telling that he has a max offer sheet on the table, but is still taking meetings and hasn't signed it yet.

To me, his agent has some doubt that Washington will actually match and Porter isn't too keen on getting stuck in Sacramento. The Kings were once a really nice team, supposedly a really solid franchise for the players too, but since the Maloofs have sold, they've been very poorly run.

I still think there's a shot we land him, I'll be pretty excited. He's not great at this moment, but he's a really solid above average starter, who can play a modern style, switching between the 3 and 4 and he's got room for growth. Even if some will view him as an instant bad contract, unless he falls into an abyss, he should have at absolute worst neutral trade value if things don't work long term and so can be moved in the future with relative ease. And it's not like you'd truly know that until deep into his second of 4 seasons.

Apart of me thinks Marks is trying to get Divac to believe they beat us to Porter first.

In actuality, we could be waiting to be the only team with $30m+ in cap room left for the other set of RFAs like Simmons, Mirotic, Green, Hardaway Jr.

I do believe there's legit interest in both KCP and Porter but it might work out better for us to let other teams fill up their rosters leaving these other RFAs to negotiate to our asking price.


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Hopefully not, I'm not a big fan of Marks signing any of those guys except JaMychal Green. He could be a sneaky good signing and really blossom into an above average starting player. But again, I don't think you can steal him for anything cheaper than what we offered to Crabbe last summer, that's a lot of coin to lockup on a guy like that, but I wouldn't be mad at it. Could see Memphis letting him walk for that money too.

[Ror1997]

Carroll only has 2 years left. I wouldn't mind taking him on as long as we get Powell and owning his rights as a RFA. I'd even attach IW if that's what it takes. Carroll wouldn't effect our future since all the dead weight contract will be up in 3 years time. We can even go over the luxury tax next year if needed just make sure we are below by the the third year.

VC4P: I wasn't seriously proposing that package, I was just saying it would take alot for the raptors to give him away with nothing of value coming in return.

DeRoma: you would have to add LeVert, not whitehead, to that deal to get Powell. He has value, and the raptors need him on their bench.

Nope... No way, LeVert has way more value than Powell. You are forgetting who has the upper hand in a situation between the Nets and Raptors. Remember all the Nets is trying to do is to build as much prospects as much as possible to build up for the future. Raptors has to suffice hungry players that are looking to win. Fans that pushing for the team to make a leap on contention. We all know the Raps are the clippers of the east. Ujiri signed Lowry into that huge deal meaning they are doing whatever it takes to try to beat the Cavs. No way they are fine just making the playoffs. Remember he has to deal with his players. What is he going to explain to Demar and Lowry if they just keep the same team from last year?

I know what the nets are trying to do....

The problem is that you're being irrational. You want the smartest GM in the league, who just lost a 2 way swing man, (Tucker), to trade you his best bench player who also happens to be his best young player to get rid of his last remaining 2 way wing player? Then you're saying this helps the Raptors improve? This move completely guts the raptors wing rotation, with no way of adding to it . The raptors giving up Powell is literally the dumbest thing they could do this off-season.

[Paradise]

Although he might be just enjoying the process of free agency, I think it's telling that he has a max offer sheet on the table, but is still taking meetings and hasn't signed it yet.

To me, his agent has some doubt that Washington will actually match and Porter isn't too keen on getting stuck in Sacramento. The Kings were once a really nice team, supposedly a really solid franchise for the players too, but since the Maloofs have sold, they've been very poorly run.

I still think there's a shot we land him, I'll be pretty excited. He's not great at this moment, but he's a really solid above average starter, who can play a modern style, switching between the 3 and 4 and he's got room for growth. Even if some will view him as an instant bad contract, unless he falls into an abyss, he should have at absolute worst neutral trade value if things don't work long term and so can be moved in the future with relative ease. And it's not like you'd truly know that until deep into his second of 4 seasons.

Apart of me thinks Marks is trying to get Divac to believe they beat us to Porter first.

In actuality, we could be waiting to be the only team with $30m+ in cap room left for the other set of RFAs like Simmons, Mirotic, Green, Hardaway Jr.

I do believe there's legit interest in both KCP and Porter but it might work out better for us to let other teams fill up their rosters leaving these other RFAs to negotiate to our asking price.


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Hopefully not, I'm not a big fan of Marks signing any of those guys except JaMychal Green. He could be a sneaky good signing and really blossom into an above average starting player. But again, I don't think you can steal him for anything cheaper than what we offered to Crabbe last summer, that's a lot of coin to lockup on a guy like that, but I wouldn't be mad at it. Could see Memphis letting him walk for that money too.

Memphis is right now facing some cap issues. They've got to re-sign Z-BO, Allen, Carter. They've only re-signed Wayne Sheldon.

We could easily steal him because the word is Zach and Carter would be open to joining Golden State if not retained and I don't see the Grizzlies taking any steps back now that the West is loaded, they've got major money tied up into Gasol/Conley/Parsons and their '19 1st round pick belongs to Boston.

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[DeRoma]

VC4P: I wasn't seriously proposing that package, I was just saying it would take alot for the raptors to give him away with nothing of value coming in return.

DeRoma: you would have to add LeVert, not whitehead, to that deal to get Powell. He has value, and the raptors need him on their bench.

Nope... No way, LeVert has way more value than Powell. You are forgetting who has the upper hand in a situation between the Nets and Raptors. Remember all the Nets is trying to do is to build as much prospects as much as possible to build up for the future. Raptors has to suffice hungry players that are looking to win. Fans that pushing for the team to make a leap on contention. We all know the Raps are the clippers of the east. Ujiri signed Lowry into that huge deal meaning they are doing whatever it takes to try to beat the Cavs. No way they are fine just making the playoffs. Remember he has to deal with his players. What is he going to explain to Demar and Lowry if they just keep the same team from last year?

I know what the nets are trying to do....

The problem is that you're being irrational. You want the smartest GM in the league, who just lost a 2 way swing man, (Tucker), to trade you his best bench player who also happens to be his best young player to get rid of his last remaining 2 way wing player? Then you're saying this helps the Raptors improve? This move completely guts the raptors wing rotation, with no way of adding to it . The raptors giving up Powell is literally the dumbest thing they could do this off-season.

Well... Lets see... Can they keep him next year when opposing teams are offering him max contracts? Especially with their starting line up that will be100 million salary? I'm not being irrational. It's taking advantage of a bad situations. Which the Nets have the flexibility to do.

[Ror1997]

Nope... No way, LeVert has way more value than Powell. You are forgetting who has the upper hand in a situation between the Nets and Raptors. Remember all the Nets is trying to do is to build as much prospects as much as possible to build up for the future. Raptors has to suffice hungry players that are looking to win. Fans that pushing for the team to make a leap on contention. We all know the Raps are the clippers of the east. Ujiri signed Lowry into that huge deal meaning they are doing whatever it takes to try to beat the Cavs. No way they are fine just making the playoffs. Remember he has to deal with his players. What is he going to explain to Demar and Lowry if they just keep the same team from last year?

I know what the nets are trying to do....

The problem is that you're being irrational. You want the smartest GM in the league, who just lost a 2 way swing man, (Tucker), to trade you his best bench player who also happens to be his best young player to get rid of his last remaining 2 way wing player? Then you're saying this helps the Raptors improve? This move completely guts the raptors wing rotation, with no way of adding to it . The raptors giving up Powell is literally the dumbest thing they could do this off-season.

Well... Lets see... Can they keep him next year when opposing teams are offering him max contracts? Especially with their starting line up that will be100 million salary? I'm not being irrational. It's taking advantage of a bad situations. Which the Nets have the flexibility to do.

they can at least get something of value back for him. Maybe a team like Philly knows they're gonna target him in F/A so they trade for him to grab his RFA rights. The point is that he has actual positive value and he's a crucial part to the raptors team. Just look at the video you posted. They aren't dumping him to clear some salary. They're just not, it's asinine.

[vincecarter4pres]

I know what the nets are trying to do....

The problem is that you're being irrational. You want the smartest GM in the league, who just lost a 2 way swing man, (Tucker), to trade you his best bench player who also happens to be his best young player to get rid of his last remaining 2 way wing player? Then you're saying this helps the Raptors improve? This move completely guts the raptors wing rotation, with no way of adding to it . The raptors giving up Powell is literally the dumbest thing they could do this off-season.

Well... Lets see... Can they keep him next year when opposing teams are offering him max contracts? Especially with their starting line up that will be100 million salary? I'm not being irrational. It's taking advantage of a bad situations. Which the Nets have the flexibility to do.

they can at least get something of value back for him. Maybe a team like Philly knows they're gonna target him in F/A so they trade for him to grab his RFA rights. The point is that he has actual positive value and he's a crucial part to the raptors team. Just look at the video you posted. They aren't dumping him to clear some salary. They're just not, it's asinine.

Yeah, I get what you're saying and in hindsight I'd mainly agree.

They might be better off even just getting this year out of him then getting nothing of value back for him.

Maybe even wait on a S&T next off-season? Though I'm not up on the cap like I used to be, so not sure on the rules of S&T's for teams in the tax.

[Ror1997]

He'll, I bet after the raptors dump JV, we'll hear rumors about how the cap space created by trading Joseph/JV/Carroll is going to be used for resigning Powell.

[vincecarter4pres]

He'll, I bet after the raptors dump JV, we'll hear rumors about how the cap space created by trading Joseph/JV/Carroll is going to be used for resigning Powell.

I wonder at what cost can they/will they dump these guys for though?

Of those 3, only Joseph is of positive value, JV maybe neutral to a bit negative, Carroll will require at least a 1st round pick attached to him, with only reasonable protections, like permanent top 10 protection.

[DeRoma]

He'll, I bet after the raptors dump JV, we'll hear rumors about how the cap space created by trading Joseph/JV/Carroll is going to be used for resigning Powell.

Lets see if they can trade JV or Carroll first before you make that assumption.

[vincecarter4pres]

Apart of me thinks Marks is trying to get Divac to believe they beat us to Porter first.

In actuality, we could be waiting to be the only team with $30m+ in cap room left for the other set of RFAs like Simmons, Mirotic, Green, Hardaway Jr.

I do believe there's legit interest in both KCP and Porter but it might work out better for us to let other teams fill up their rosters leaving these other RFAs to negotiate to our asking price.


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Hopefully not, I'm not a big fan of Marks signing any of those guys except JaMychal Green. He could be a sneaky good signing and really blossom into an above average starting player. But again, I don't think you can steal him for anything cheaper than what we offered to Crabbe last summer, that's a lot of coin to lockup on a guy like that, but I wouldn't be mad at it. Could see Memphis letting him walk for that money too.

Memphis is right now facing some cap issues. They've got to re-sign Z-BO, Allen, Carter. They've only re-signed Wayne Sheldon.

We could easily steal him because the word is Zach and Carter would be open to joining Golden State if not retained and I don't see the Grizzlies taking any steps back now that the West is loaded, they've got major money tied up into Gasol/Conley/Parsons and their '19 1st round pick belongs to Boston.

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I mean I can see them letting him walk at Crabbe to max money, but at the same time, they'd be better off matching Green and letting Z-bo walk.

Carter is probably going elsewhere, he's only a vet min/BAE kind of $ value guy at this point and I'm sure he'll have those types of offers out there, it's not really Memphis' choice on him.

Allen is a very important part of that team, but at what monetary cost?

[Ror1997]

He'll, I bet after the raptors dump JV, we'll hear rumors about how the cap space created by trading Joseph/JV/Carroll is going to be used for resigning Powell.

Lets see if they can trade JV or Carroll first before you make that assumption.

Let's just wait for them to unload both of them without giving up Powell before we event go back to discussing this ridiculous trade proposal

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[Ror1997]

Would Denver give up Barton in a deal for Faried? Barton already saI'd he wants to test free agency next year , and he'll definitely get Ingles money if not more. With Murray and Harris to worry about, I could see Barton being the odd man out.

[DeRoma]

He'll, I bet after the raptors dump JV, we'll hear rumors about how the cap space created by trading Joseph/JV/Carroll is going to be used for resigning Powell.

Lets see if they can trade JV or Carroll first before you make that assumption.

Let's just wait for them to unload both of them without giving up Powell before we event go back to discussing this ridiculous trade proposal

Alrighty we'll see if he is wearing a Raptors uni by next year.

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[DarkXaero]

I'm bracing myself for us to offer the same max deal to Porter and him actually accepting it over Kings offer sheet.

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I'll take that, he only has one more fully guaranteed season. There's no use for him on the court for us but I'll do it for the pick.

[vincecarter4pres]

I just don't know if I see the point in going after a pure wing for big money for us, unless it's a star and unreasonable get, like a Gordon Hayward.

If things actually workout development-wise for our most important young guys, chances are Russell and LeVert are the permanent/long term starting 2 and 3's. Allen the 5. The jury is out on RHJ if he stays the starting 4 beyond this season and although Lin is not actually old, he is older and there's a good chance he walks after this season.

So the big target is a modern 4, who can switch on D to perimeter players and eventually, maybe next summer, a long term solution at the point if Lin is elsewhere.

That is why to me, the ONLY restricted free agents who are worth signing this summer for us, are Otto Porter and JaMychal Green.

Green is actually REALLY interesting and we haven't discussed him much at all. He could easily make a statistical jump just by being in this system, at this pace, if given minutes in the low 30's. Say an impactful 14/9/2/1/1 kind of guy who is efficient and fits in seamlessly. I actually like the idea of him a lot.