Official Melo Trade Thread: WOJ BOMB UPDATE PG 21: Will Waive NTC for HOU and CLE

Dr. Detfink · Post #541 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 8:34 am

The Okafor deal works IF:

1. Sixers agree to take Lee w/o future first rounders or untouchable Knick youth.

2. See Above.

The reason why I would take a chance on Okafor is the possibility of giving him playing time, rehabbing his value, and trading him for a mid to low first rounder.

Btw I love the possibility of putting KP at SF where he can't be overpowered down low and has the quickness to stay with his man. It's not like it hasn't been done before.

As for Melo, he's most likely going to the Cavs. I can't see D'Antoni willing to coach him again. He's learned from coaching Marbury twice, GMs are terrible at reading between the lines.

Wolfgang630 · Post #542 » by **Wolfgang630** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 8:57 am

Wow at all these rumors! The Knicks have some leverage especially with Houston!

Houston NEEDS Melo. They know they're not good enough with just Paul and Harden. If he can trade Melo and get a pick or two then trade Lee to the 76ers and get a pick it will be a great day.

I'm excited because it could finally be happening.

blanko · Post #543 » by **blanko** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 8:58 am

jstudabaka wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
blanko wrote:
What leverage do we have? Melon has a no trade clause and the league knows that we want to dump melo.

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They know we want to dump Melo but we are not going to settle. Mills isn't going to take back a bad contract if we aren't getting young assets or picks back with it.

Um, we have plenty of leverage. This is the team that paid tens of millions of dollars to Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry while they were off in the Bermuda triangle for all intents and purposes. If the Cavs or Rockets can't make trading Melo worth our while and provide at least some positive asset in a deal, we can very easily let Melo collect DNP's for two years as he watches the sunset of his primep. That's preferable to taking on Ryan Anderson's contract without a good sweetener.

Basically, I'm thinking Anderson + 2 1st's from Houston, or they can gtfo

no we can not. We can't sit a healthy melo. What you are suggesting is not an option. we might get a number 1/2 second rounders with anderson. No way we are getting 2.

blanko · Post #544 » by **blanko** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:00 am

chiefbocker wrote:
blanko wrote:
chiefbocker wrote:
not sure if we don´t have leverage. Cavs and rockets know, that with those team they have right now, they won´t beat the Warriors.
And i'm pretty sure that they also know that Melo will give them something they actually don't have.
Be Patient, and they will give us a good package and/or find a third team.

What leverage do we have? Melon has a no trade clause and the league knows that we want to dump melo.

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those 2 Teams need him to get better. And they way the FA went this year, rockets and cavs don#t have any other serious Options to improve.
if they they don't get a deal done, they know that they have no Chance to beat the Warriors.
We on the other side, can wait till next summer when Melo will opt out.

let's be honest, melo at this point of his career isn't a "serious option to improve". Is he an improvement? yes. Is he a game changer? no

rockets22 · Post #545 » by **rockets22** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:19 am

My guess is Ryan Anderson could be Pistons bound because of his connection to Stan Van Gundy in a three way trade.Not sure what the Rockets will get back to give the Knicks to satisfy the Knicks for Melo.Tobias Harris maybe?

Reign23 · Post #546 » by **Reign23** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:30 am

knicks85 wrote:I'll take Ryan Anderson over another KP Melo poisoned year

oh lord.

chiefbocker · Post #547 » by **chiefbocker** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:32 am

blanko wrote:
chiefbocker wrote:
blanko wrote:
What leverage do we have? Melon has a no trade clause and the league knows that we want to dump melo.

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those 2 Teams need him to get better. And they way the FA went this year, rockets and cavs don#t have any other serious Options to improve.
if they they don't get a deal done, they know that they have no Chance to beat the Warriors.
We on the other side, can wait till next summer when Melo will opt out.

let's be honest, melo at this point of his career isn't a "serious option to improve". Is he an improvement? yes. Is he a game changer? no

for a team like ours, he is not.
for a contender as a third Option? he definietly is.

Reign23 · Post #548 » by **Reign23** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:35 am

so melo for crap and lee for the 10th center? nice.

blanko · Post #549 » by **blanko** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:35 am

chiefbocker wrote:
blanko wrote:
chiefbocker wrote:
those 2 Teams need him to get better. And they way the FA went this year, rockets and cavs don#t have any other serious Options to improve.
if they they don't get a deal done, they know that they have no Chance to beat the Warriors.
We on the other side, can wait till next summer when Melo will opt out.

let's be honest, melo at this point of his career isn't a "serious option to improve". Is he an improvement? yes. Is he a game changer? no

for a team like ours, he is not.
for a contender as a third Option? he definietly is.

If that was the case we would be inundated with offers for melo. He isn't what he was 3 years ago, especially wth his salary.

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blanko · Post #550 » by **blanko** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:41 am

rockets22 wrote:My guess is Ryan Anderson could be Pistons bound because of his connection to Stan Van Gundy in a three way trade.Not sure what the Rockets will get back to give the Knicks to satisfy the Knicks for Melo.Tobias Harris maybe?

NYK: Tobias harris
Trevor Ariza

HUS: Melo

DET: Anderson
Quarterman

Works salary wise. How desperate is SVG for shooting? Actually this solves two problems for DET, a 3 point shooter and a stretch 4. HOpe this works.

chiefbocker · Post #551 » by **chiefbocker** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:44 am

blanko wrote:
chiefbocker wrote:
blanko wrote:
let's be honest, melo at this point of his career isn't a "serious option to improve". Is he an improvement? yes. Is he a game changer? no

for a team like ours, he is not.
for a contender as a third Option? he definietly is.

If that was the case we would be inundated with offers for melo. He isn't what he was 3 years ago, especially wth his salary.

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we would have plenty of offers if there wasn´t the ntc, till last week there have been only 2 Options, Clips and Cavs.
And if Rivers said yes to shipping out his son, melo wouldn´t be here anymore.

Cavs can´t give us a good package.
Houston is already working on it. You should give them more than a week to finalize such a trade.

BodyCount · Post #552 » by **BodyCount** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:48 am

Come on GM Lebron, make it happen!

blanko · Post #553 » by **blanko** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:53 am

chiefbocker wrote:
blanko wrote:
chiefbocker wrote:
for a team like ours, he is not.
for a contender as a third Option? he definietly is.

If that was the case we would be inundated with offers for melo. He isn't what he was 3 years ago, especially wth his salary.

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we would have plenty of offers if there wasn´t the ntc, till last week there have been only 2 Options, Clips and Cavs.
And if Rivers said yes to shipping out his son, melo wouldn´t be here anymore.

Cavs can´t give us a good package.
Houston is already working on it. You should give them more than a week to finalize such a trade.

the only potential trading parters are the ones carmelo picks. He does have a no trade clause so everything else is irrelevant. The knicks have no leverage, the only leverage i see is that melo and dolan had an agreement that he would agree to be traded to 2~3 teams in exchange for canning phil (meaning melo won).

Riot Randolph · Post #554 » by **Riot Randolph** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:56 am

blanko wrote:
rockets22 wrote:My guess is Ryan Anderson could be Pistons bound because of his connection to Stan Van Gundy in a three way trade.Not sure what the Rockets will get back to give the Knicks to satisfy the Knicks for Melo.Tobias Harris maybe?

NYK: Tobias harris
Trevor Ariza

HUS: Melo

DET: Anderson
Quarterman

Works salary wise. How desperate is SVG for shooting? Actually this solves two problems for DET, a 3 point shooter and a stretch 4. HOpe this works.

Melo for Tobias where do I sign?

KnicksGadfly · Post #555 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:57 am

I'd take Okafor for Lee...let's see how motivated he is, after life in Philly.

Kurt Rambis · Post #556 » by **Kurt Rambis** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 10:04 am

WesleyExChiFan wrote:What if Melo gets traded and Phil comes right back?

chiefbocker · Post #557 » by **chiefbocker** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 10:14 am

blanko wrote:
chiefbocker wrote:
blanko wrote:
If that was the case we would be inundated with offers for melo. He isn't what he was 3 years ago, especially wth his salary.

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we would have plenty of offers if there wasn´t the ntc, till last week there have been only 2 Options, Clips and Cavs.
And if Rivers said yes to shipping out his son, melo wouldn´t be here anymore.

Cavs can´t give us a good package.
Houston is already working on it. You should give them more than a week to finalize such a trade.

the only potential trading parters are the ones carmelo picks. He does have a no trade clause so everything else is irrelevant. The knicks have no leverage, the only leverage i see is that melo and dolan had an agreement that he would agree to be traded to 2~3 teams in exchange for canning phil (meaning melo won).

so what are we talking about? you said that melo can´t make a contender better, i say he is, at the Moment, the best option for both teams to compete with GSW.

And in my opinion, thats our leverage, if they want to go into the ring with the warriors they have to pay.
Otherwise LeBron or CP3 will lose another year. I don´t think thats their plan.

FKF · Post #558 » by **FKF** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 10:16 am

Melo is really an ass.
It's not that he didn't want the Knicks to trade him, it's just that he didn't want Phil to trade him.

All this "I want to stay in NY" is pure BS. Dude only cares about himself and his own business, and won't stay in NY if the situation is suddenly better elsewhere. He likes it in NY as long as he runs the team. He'd like it in Hou or Cle as he'd allow CP3 or LeBron to run the show.

The Knicks shoulda just never given Melo the ability to run the organization, ever. As soon as he started to alienate players and coaches, we should have used the Stan Van Gundy experience with Josh Smith, and just waive him.

Jackson should have never resigned him, although I wouldn't be surprised to learn in a book some day that Dolan instructed him to resign Melo.

Dolan is the worst, as he wouldn't even allow Melo to be waived.

Ray Williams · Post #559 » by **Ray Williams** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 10:22 am

Dr. Detfink wrote:The Okafor deal works IF:

1. Sixers agree to take Lee w/o future first rounders or untouchable Knick youth.

2. See Above.

The reason why I would take a chance on Okafor is the possibility of giving him playing time, rehabbing his value, and trading him for a mid to low first rounder.

Btw I love the possibility of putting KP at SF where he can't be overpowered down low and has the quickness to stay with his man. It's not like it hasn't been done before.

As for Melo, he's most likely going to the Cavs. I can't see D'Antoni willing to coach him again. He's learned from coaching Marbury twice, GMs are terrible at reading between the lines.

KP doesn't have the quickness to keep up with small ball 4's, no way he can defend 3's.

ChaosHamster · Post #560 » by **ChaosHamster** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 10:23 am

Anderson and two picks

Should Melo Be Traded