Official Melo Trade Thread: WOJ BOMB UPDATE PG 21: Will Waive NTC for HOU and CLE

[BeagleBoss]

Okafor is like 100 years younger than Lee and for that reason alone you make that trade. Okafor is not a scrub.

[IllmaticHandler]

To the people who keep saying "I wonder how Melo fans will feel about this," y'all do realize that basically EVERYONE wants to trade Melo, right? Nobody is saying "build around him" or "don't trade him" - that's a strawman argument made up to put down those who aren't anti-Melo.

Anyways, do not turn this isn't a bash Melo fan thread. We're all Knicks fans and want what's best for the FRANCHISE, not any one player.

Also, Houston probably won't trade Ariza who apparently helped get Paul there OR Capella, who is their starting C...so...the pipe dreams can stop. We'd be getting Anderson, young players, and 2 firsts if it happens - I think we'd need a third team, because I can't see Mills wanting to get rid of Melo but accept Anderson's horrid contract without a bunch of assets coming back. That's a special kind of stupid, like cutting your nose to spite your face.

Bro. They are just Butt Hurt. Melo Fans are cool with seeing him move on to a contender. I mean if you are a fan, why wouldn't you?

They just mad that PJ lost the Melo vs PJ war

[Dr. Detfink]

KP doesn't have the quickness to keep up with small ball 4's, no way he can defend 3's.

Really?

I think he can handle:

P.J. Hairston, Charlotte Hornets, Wesley Johnson, Los Angeles Clippers, Stanley Johnson, Detroit Pistons, C.J. Miles, Indiana Pacers
Matt Barnes, Memphis Grizzlies, Robert Covington, Philadelphia 76ers, Jae Crowder, Boston Celtics, Al-Farouq Aminu, Portland Trail Blazers, Quincy Pondexter, New Orleans Pelicans, Otto Porter, Washington Wizards, Danilo Gallinari, Denver Nuggets
Tobias Harris, Detroit Pistons, Luol Deng, Miami Heat, Rudy Gay, Sacramento Kings, Andrew Wiggins, Minnesota Timberwolves
Chandler Parsons, Memphis Grizzles, DeMarre Carroll, Toronto Raptors

Basically, the only SFs he might struggle with, the Greek Freak, Jimmy Butler, Lebron James, Kwahi Leonard, and Durant.

But EVERYONE does and that's where help comes in.

The Knicks will NEVER be a good 1:1 defensive team. Those days are done. It's more team defense.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

So, Melo will waive his NTC to go buddy up with LeBron or Chris Paul. Will he also waive his trade kicker too? To me that is another form of the NTC, extra $ and not salary, so he should be willing to give up a large portion of it to go to a winner and make the deal easier and also save an asset for his new team.

That is, if Melo is more about winning than $$$.

I would bet not. He's going to need $$$ for his divorce settlement.

[No-Man]

That would be nice. Offensively they are similar or does Osman have the better handle?

Oh, better handle and better passer, Kuz is a more diverse scorer, Osman has improved a ton as a shooter but he is not a natural shooter and I am not sure how is going to traslate at least at 1st.

He was a late first/early 2nd, I guess in part as he was a stash. IF he was coming into this past draft, and he could come over right away, where would he have been drafted? Meaning is his actual draft value a bit higher? Sort of like WHG probably being higher than 35th if he wasn't under contract for 2 years (minus the showing in the pros this year)

in this draft with so little intls he probably goes in the 20s.

i rate drafts different than most people, I'd have had him somewhere in the late teens but I value wings above everything and actually wouldn't have drafted Willy in the 1st even after his good rookie year.

[mpharris36]

Y'all asking for too much. Just stop. Look at what's George and Butler netted.

agreed, and I'm not as picky as most. But George and Butler did not require taken on a worse contract like Ryan Anderson in any trade. If HOU could trade us expirings and a first the deal would be already done. But since you are bringing in even more salary than Melo then needs to be more incentive for the knicks.

I do not believe Capela is a legit option because what do they do at Center?

[Dr. Detfink]

Melo wants his money AND title. I got no problems with those demands. It's up to the stingy Cavs to show the Knicks that he's worth it. So far, there hasn't been much interest unless the Knicks allow themselves to be screwed.

[thebuzzardman]

Y'all asking for too much. Just stop. Look at what's George and Butler netted.

The Bulls FO is horrid
George is only under contract for 1 more year, Melo has 2, correct? So it's possibly a rental.

[Tron Carter]

taking back ryan anderson in any deal is a non-starter. reading that **** makes me physically angry.

[Tron Carter]

i'd rather let melo rot on the bench and force him to opt out next summer as opposed to taking any of these trade proposals. that gb thread is legit cancer.

[thebuzzardman]

taking back ryan anderson in any deal is a non-starter. reading that **** makes me physically angry.

You have to match contracts.

Otherwise it's Gordon and what? Not Ariza. He recruited Chris Paul.

And I mean in terms of cap #'s, not "I want Harkenstien etc".

[F N 11]

Y'all asking for too much. Just stop. Look at what's George and Butler netted.

The Bulls FO is horrid
George is only under contract for 1 more year, Melo has 2, correct? So it's possibly a rental.

Never said it's okay to take on A large contact. However the two sides need to move on from each other fast.

[Tron Carter]

taking back ryan anderson in any deal is a non-starter. reading that **** makes me physically angry.

You have to match contracts.

Otherwise it's Gordon and what? Not Ariza. He recruited Chris Paul.

And I mean in terms of cap #'s, not "I want Harkenstien etc".

peep what i posted above. if these are the deals i'd rather not do one.

[NewEra]

Melo to CLE
Love and Courtney Lee to POR
Crabbe, Harkless, picks to NY

I'd be open to this.

[F N 11]

We're not going to get back a lot for a guy that has a NTC and whose team knowingly wants to get rid of him.

On top of that both of those teams do not have young pieces or cap space to absorb him.

[mpharris36]

This is my guess right now what is going on from CLE and HOU:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycugsd7l

with a 2021 1st coming in from CLE (maybe you can ship Shumpert to a 3rd team for cap space and a couple 2nd round picks)

- at least this trade doesn't take on any long term $$$

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybgond35

with a 2020 1st coming in from HOU

-this trade takes on longer term $$$



So my guess the knicks are trying to get one more asset from HOU (whether its another protected 1st in 2022 or Capela or why wouldn't the knicks just take the cavs offer? A lot more expiring $$$ and a 1st compared to a taking on Anderson's contract.

[thebuzzardman]

Y'all asking for too much. Just stop. Look at what's George and Butler netted.

The Bulls FO is horrid
George is only under contract for 1 more year, Melo has 2, correct? So it's possibly a rental.

Never said it's okay to take on A large contact. However the two sides need to move on from each other fast.

Maybe Cleveland is the best bet, where it's Shump (2 years on contract, not past Noah/Clee), Frye - One year, assorted other garbage, and the Euro kid and a future pick - not that I saw that mentioned, but figure it should be in there, but like 3 years from now.

[thebuzzardman]

taking back ryan anderson in any deal is a non-starter. reading that **** makes me physically angry.

You have to match contracts.

Otherwise it's Gordon and what? Not Ariza. He recruited Chris Paul.

And I mean in terms of cap #'s, not "I want Harkenstien etc".

peep what i posted above. if these are the deals i'd rather not do one.

Nothing wrong with waiting a year if the deals suck. I'd hope the Knicks get some sort of return on Melo before he's gone though. 2 years to do that.

[JM88]

taking back ryan anderson in any deal is a non-starter. reading that **** makes me physically angry.

You have to match contracts.

Otherwise it's Gordon and what? Not Ariza. He recruited Chris Paul.

And I mean in terms of cap #'s, not "I want Harkenstien etc".

Then you either find a third team the Rockets can move Anderson to. You don't take on a terrible contract for 3 years, just because they have nothing else to offer. I might consider taking on Andersons contract for 2 first rounders, and that is without giving them Melo back. They better come up with a REALLY good package to offer alongside Anderson if he has to be in this deal.

That is not me expecting to get a lot for Melo. I know the situation. But that is me wanting something for him - not taking back a HUGE "minus asset".

[F N 11]

Knicks need bodies. Wasting Melo for 1 more year does not benefit either side. Now with Lala publiclaly supprtimg him to play for a chip it's now or never.