2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc)

Kolkmania · Post #141 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:35 am

Aussiepiston1 wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
Aussiepiston1 wrote: Randle in year 2 has similar numbers to Draymond in year 3 (worse 3pt shooting though which I think he can improve on) so He and Ingram will be improved

Randle had a BPM of zero and a VORP of 1 last year, Draymond's third year he had a BPM of 5 and a VORP of 4.4. That's the difference between a negligible NBA player and a near all-star, hard to imagine a more superficial comparison than the raw stats of those two dudes. And Ingram was so bad last year that he'd need to have an amazing development just to become a neutral contributor.

VORP is apparently flawed and BPM is a little biased when the Team is tanking plus He was younger at that stage.
IMO Randle has more upside than Green at the same age it's up to how badly he wants to be a great player.
Ingram has a long way to go I agree.

There's more to basketball than PPG and RPG. Draymond Green does all the little things, especially on the defensive end, and Julius Randle does none. He's awful.

Winejk · Post #142 » by **Winejk** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:29 pm

If Clips go for a full dismantle and tank mode, things just got crazier with these future picks.

the_process · Post #143 » by **the_process** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:41 pm

the_process wrote:
OleSchool wrote:
HankTheTank wrote:
Celtics sign Hayward, trade Brown, Bradley and that Laker pick for PG makes a lot of sense. Based on the Butler trade it may not even cost that much. Man, the Lakers will have completely screwed themselves, because LeBron would likely not go there without PG. and what assets do the Lakers have to trade??

Ball and Ingram. I don't like Randle

They're in real trouble if they can't swoop in and get him before Bos

LeBron is going to the Clippers to form the banana boat. Melo will get traded there, then Wade. Then CP3 and Griffin will get their $$. Then next summer Bron forces a S&T for Griffin.

I was wrong about the Clippers forming the banana boat. It's the Rockets. Unless they acquire Millsap.

PLO · Post #144 » by **PLO** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 7:05 am

A lot of tanking teams next year; I guess that increases the odds of the Lakers pick transferring to us

oddwolfhooligan · Post #145 » by **oddwolfhooligan** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 11:35 pm

PLO wrote:A lot of tanking teams next year; I guess that increases the odds of the Lakers pick transferring to us

It really is crazy to me that a roster as bad as the Lakers could end up falling into 8-10 range. I could easily see all these teams finishing worse than the Lakers:

Brooklyn
Chicago
Indiana
Phoenix
Sacramento
Orlando
Dallas
New York

Hell even Utah could finish worse than the Lakers next season if Hayward leaves and they continue to have injury troubles. And then there's the possibility of the Clippers being horrible if Blake has another injury-plagued season.

On a side note, I'm curious how many people here will be rooting to give up the Lakers pick as opposed to the Sac pick. IMO, Marvin Bagley and R.J. Barrett(if he reclassifies) are both better than anyone in the 2018 draft and for that reason alone, I'm hoping that we can hold on to the Sac pick.

joyeuxnoel · Post #146 » by **joyeuxnoel** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 3:48 pm

oddwolfhooligan wrote:
PLO wrote:A lot of tanking teams next year; I guess that increases the odds of the Lakers pick transferring to us

It really is crazy to me that a roster as bad as the Lakers could end up falling into 8-10 range. I could easily see all these teams finishing worse than the Lakers:

Brooklyn
Chicago
Indiana
Phoenix
Sacramento
Orlando
Dallas
New York

Hell even Utah could finish worse than the Lakers next season if Hayward leaves and they continue to have injury troubles. And then there's the possibility of the Clippers being horrible if Blake has another injury-plagued season.

On a side note, I'm curious how many people here will be rooting to give up the Lakers pick as opposed to the Sac pick. IMO, Marvin Bagley and R.J. Barrett(if he reclassifies) are both better than anyone in the 2018 draft and for that reason alone, I'm hoping that we can hold on to the Sac pick.

Brooklyn will be around 28 wins this year
Chicago around 24
Indiana around 20
Phoenix around 34
Sacramento around 26
Orlando around 35
Dallas around 32
New York with melo around 37

Lakers will be around 22 IMO, only team worse than them is Indiana

the_process · Post #147 » by **the_process** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 7:49 pm

You guys are all overlooking just how bad ATL will be bad with no Dwight and no Millsap. It wouldn't surprise me if they had the worst record in the league.

ProcessDoctor · Post #148 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 10:34 pm

MyBookie has LAL sitting at 8th. They seem to have one of the more updated odds:

1T. Brooklyn
1T. Orlando
1T. Phoenix
4. Atlanta
5T. Charlotte
5T. New York
5T. Dallas
8. LAL

FYI, they have us with the 6th or 7th best odds from the East to win it all:

1. Cleveland
2. Boston
3. Washington
4T. Toronto
4T. Milwaukee
6T. Philadelphia
6T. Miami

https://mybookie.ag/sportsbook/nba/championship/

Chris76 · Post #149 » by **Chris76** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 2:10 am

sixers238 wrote:MyBookie has LAL sitting at 8th. They seem to have one of the more updated odds:

1T. Brooklyn
1T. Orlando
1T. Phoenix
4. Atlanta
5T. Charlotte
5T. New York
5T. Dallas
8. LAL

FYI, they have us with the 6th or 7th best odds from the East to win it all:

1. Cleveland
2. Boston
3. Washington
4T. Toronto
4T. Milwaukee
6T. Philadelphia
6T. Miami

https://mybookie.ag/sportsbook/nba/championship/

Good post. I think Dallas and Charlotte could be better than the Lakers. The 6th Pick would be good, next year.

76ciology · Post #150 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 4:10 am

BC looking more and more like a genius with the Fultz deal.

Wilfried · Post #151 » by **Wilfried** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 7:08 am

Phoenix (if Bledsoe is healthy) should be better than the Lakers.

Post #152 » by **Sixerscan** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 12:48 pm

Lakers being projected ahead of some of those teams assuming normal is insane at this point. Is ball going to give them more than Russell and Lou combined did last year?

PLO · Post #153 » by **PLO** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 1:22 pm

Sixerscan wrote:Lakers being projected ahead of some of those teams assuming normal is insane at this point. Is ball going to give them more than Russell and Lou combined did last year?

They started off hot last year from memory, I think other teams had them worked out by roughly mid-season, obviously they were in full tank mode at the end. It will be pretty hard to see them repeating the same start from last year but they won't be tanking at the end unlike seemingly quite a number of teams will be. I think there's more of a chance they finish outside the 5 spot pre-lottery for that latter reason.

Chris76 · Post #154 » by **Chris76** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 2:23 pm

PLO wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Lakers being projected ahead of some of those teams assuming normal is insane at this point. Is ball going to give them more than Russell and Lou combined did last year?

They started off hot last year from memory, I think other teams had them worked out by roughly mid-season, obviously they were in full tank mode at the end. It will be pretty hard to see them repeating the same start from last year but they won't be tanking at the end unlike seemingly quite a number of teams will be. I think there's more of a chance they finish outside the 5 spot pre-lottery for that latter reason.

I agree that the Lakers not tanking is going to have a positive effect on their record. Also, Lopez is a very good center and he should help their chemistry very much. If he is healthy, the Lakers could be so much better. Health will be a huge factor for many teams. Anyway, some teams may quickly jump on the tank bandwagon and it may be a race to the worst. Atlanta, Indiana, and a few others have had a very bad offseason, so far.

Post #155 » by **Sixerscan** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 3:08 pm

After they traded Lou the only time they won games was when they were tanking.

id be more concerned if they were the east and actually playing these other tanking teams. They don't have a very good shot against most of the west team regardless of whether they want to win games. If they end up 14th or 15th in the west they will have lost lots of games by default.

76ciology · Post #156 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 4:25 pm

Lakers probably need to win some games to convince PG. Their risk gets higher. I mean, imagine ending outside top 3 just to watch PG re-signs with OKC.

oddwolfhooligan · Post #157 » by **oddwolfhooligan** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:18 pm

the_process wrote:You guys are all overlooking just how bad ATL will be bad with no Dwight and no Millsap. It wouldn't surprise me if they had the worst record in the league.

For some reason I assumed Milsap was gonna return to ATL. You're right though. Without Milsap they could easily end up with a worse record than LA as well.

hinkieknows · Post #158 » by **hinkieknows** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:53 pm

You guys are all overlooking just how bad ATL will be bad with no Dwight and no Millsap. It wouldn't surprise me if they had the worst record in the league.

No Jeff Teague either, he fits better than DRose would in Minny.

nitocobola · Post #159 » by **nitocobola** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:17 pm

better team than the lakers

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broseph13 · Post #160 » by **broseph13** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:25 pm

Something tells me that Kings pick won't be as high as many people assume. If I had to guess, I'd say it'll be in the 8-12 range instead of top 3 like many predicted.