Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII

[europeanfan]

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[Benjammin]

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Well thank goodness for small favors.

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[payitforward]

All the same Bojan is not a very good NBA player; it's fine for him to be gone.

The guy has averaged a 59% TS over the last three years. He's a GOOD player. Is he bad defensively? Sure he is! And as I've said many times before, if you can't hide one guy off your bench then his defense isn't the problem, its the makeup of your team.

Secondly as I keep saying, it's better to have his contract to trade than not to have it. Because we literally get nothing but cap savings by losing him. The opportunity cost is dumb.

Lets say Meeks clearly can't play anymore and we've got the same rotation of Sato/Oubre/etc trash bench as usual. What assets will we have to improve the bench? We have to look to a first again? If you had Bojan by comparison, it's realistic that you could move him for a "better fit", or in combination with another player for a clear upgrade.

There's almost zero argument for not keeping him aside from "Ted didn't have to pay the tax yay!"

Bojan has only played 3 years. His average TS% has been 56.7%. Despite his reputation as a 3-point shooter, his 3pt. % is only @1.2% above average for a wing. OTOH, his ppg have gone up each of his first 3 years. & his last season TS% was 58.5%.

I have no problem agreeing with you that he's a good scorer. But it's meaningless to talk about "hiding" a bad defensive player -- if a guy's bad defense shows up in stats, it hasn't been hidden; it's affected the games. If it doesn't show up in stats, then he isn't a bad defender!

Bojan at $4.5m a year is an ok guy for most rosters. But, there's no way he's good enough that you walk down luxury tax lane for him.

What you say about having no tradable assets makes sense. But that's the cumulative result of Ernie doing one bad deal after another.

The complaint about the Bojan trade ought to be that Ernie made such a bad FA signing that he had to give away a R1 pick for nothing in order to hide it. & of course all that talk about McCullough being the equivalent of the pick we p#ssed away was just more of that same attempt. That's plenty bad enough.

[payitforward]

The Ted/Ernie so-called "rebuild" of the Wizards began over seven years ago. We got lucky in 2010 & 2013 and got the #1 & #3 picks in the draft instead of the #8 pick. In 2012, we picked #3. No credit for skill to our FO for getting lucky. No credit to them for picking the default guy #1 in 2010, minimal credit for picking Beal/Porter at #3 in '12 & '13. Very minimal. Assuming we retain Porter.

We traded for Gortat. It was desperation, & we overpaid -- but at least it wasn't a bad trade for a bad player. So, a little credit to the FO for that.

The rest of what the Wizards have: Ian Mahinmi (way overpaid FA), Jason Smith (marginal NBA player), Markieff Morris (below average journeyman acquired at high cost), Tomas Satoransky (please...), Kelly Oubre (has potential), Chris McCullough (valueless), Tim Frazier (close to valueless), options on Sheldon Mac & Ochefu (as close as one can get to valueless).

Seven years work, & that is what they've managed. Oh, & left us with next to no ability to fill out the roster in a way that makes things even marginally better.

What an utterly pathetic record.

Edit: Oh, & as a reward for this horrendous 7 year mess, Ernie is essentially GM for life! For that fact alone, Ted's failure is far worse than Ernie's.

[dckingsfan]

Millsap to Denver.

Are there any big splashes left? A S&T sending Bogs (at or near his ridiculous $16m/yr asking price) + Mahinmi to NYC for Melo and Noah?

Fortunately for us - Melo doesn't want to come here.

[Kanyewest]

The Ted/Ernie so-called "rebuild" of the Wizards began over seven years ago. We got lucky in 2010 & 2013 and got the #1 & #3 picks in the draft instead of the #8 pick. In 2012, we picked #3. No credit for skill to our FO for getting lucky. No credit to them for picking the default guy #1 in 2010, minimal credit for picking Beal/Porter at #3 in '12 & '13. Very minimal. Assuming we retain Porter.

We traded for Gortat. It was desperation, & we overpaid -- but at least it wasn't a bad trade for a bad player. So, a little credit to the FO for that.

The rest of what the Wizards have: Ian Mahinmi (way overpaid FA), Jason Smith (marginal NBA player), Markieff Morris (below average journeyman acquired at high cost), Tomas Satoransky (please...), Kelly Oubre (has potential), Chris McCullough (valueless), Tim Frazier (close to valueless), options on Sheldon Mac & Ochefu (as close as one can get to valueless).

Seven years work, & that is what they've managed. Oh, & left us with next to no ability to fill out the roster in a way that makes things even marginally better.

What an utterly pathetic record.

Edit: Oh, & as a reward for this horrendous 7 year mess, Ernie is essentially GM for life! For that fact alone, Ted's failure is far worse than Ernie's.

Although ending up with the #8 pick in the 2013 draft may not have been terrible given that guys like Adams, McCollum, and Giannis were on the board. Of course there were less than sub optimal picks like Kelly O, MCW, and Trey Burke, although I highly doubt that Washington would take a guard with that pick. Porter at this point is better than Noel, so Grunfeld deserves credit for that.

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[montestewart]

Millsap to Denver.

Are there any big splashes left? A S&T sending Bogs (at or near his ridiculous $16m/yr asking price) + Mahinmi to NYC for Melo and Noah?

Fortunately for us - Melo doesn't want to come here.

Melo/Noah for Porter/Gortat/future 1st. That trade could have saved Jackson's job while doing no harm to GMFLEG's Teflon tenure.

[keynote]

Millsap to Denver.

Are there any big splashes left? A S&T sending Bogs (at or near his ridiculous $16m/yr asking price) + Mahinmi to NYC for Melo and Noah?

Fortunately for us - Melo doesn't want to come here.

Melo/Noah for Porter/Gortat/future 1st. That trade could have saved Jackson's job while doing no harm to GMFLEG's Teflon tenure.

That certainly would've saved Jackson's job, because we'd have given up way too much.

The Knicks passed on Houston's offer of Ryan Anderson for Melo. I wonder if they'd be more interested in Bojan in a three-way deal where we end up with Anderson, Houston gets Melo, and NYK gets Bojan + a sweetener from Houston.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Dollars to donuts E.G. starts to peddle the Boogie to D.C. hope and pray plan to prolong his bosses' appetite for fulfilling "the plan."

[NatP4]

Well this board is cancerous this morning lol. Who we targeting with the full MLE?

[NatP4]

I'd be happy if we gave the full MLE to Gallinari and S&T Bojan to Denver for Will Barton and re signed Otto and called it an offseason

Wall Sato Frazier
Beal Meeks Mac
Oubre Barton
Otto Keef Gallinari
Gortat Mahinmi Smith

[Error Afflalo]

I'd be happy if we split the MLE on Gallinari and Tyreke Evans and re signed Otto and called it an offseason

Gallinari is going to get big money.

[Rafael122]

Sucks we don't have the cap to play trading partners with Denver. Again, another situation where the Mahinmi contract is killing us. They're looking to shed salary to go after George Hill. I'd assume Darrell Arthur and Will Barton are on the block, mostly b/c Denver has a lot of front court players and Arthur appears to be the odd man out, and Barton is due for an extension.

Assuming Mahinmi was never on the team, they could have taken in Arthur and Barton using their cap space, and have roughly $11 million in cap room before even bringing Otto back. For $11 million, they could have gotten any back up center on the cheap (Dedmon, Reed, etc).

PG - Wall/Frazier
SG - Beal/Barton/McCllelan
SF - Porter/Oubre
PF - Morris/Smith/Arthur/McCullough
C - Gortat/?/Ochefu

That's a helluva second unit, scoring in the backcourt, and defense in the front court. Great balance.

[NatP4]

I mean, we could send Bojan+Jason Smith and a 2nd round pick to Denver for Arthur and Will Barton. Get a legit wing scorer off the bench and an upgrade of a stretch 4 off the bench.

Sato Frazier
Barton Mac
Oubre
Arthur McCullough
Mahinmi

Much better depth than last season.

[Rafael122]

I mean, we could send Bojan+Jason Smith and a 2nd round pick to Denver for Arthur and Will Barton. Get a legit wing scorer off the bench and an upgrade of a stretch 4 off the bench.

Sato Frazier
Barton Mac
Oubre
Arthur McCullough
Mahinmi

Much better depth than last season.

They're trying to save money, if Bojan is trying to get $16 mil a year, why would we send back $21 million in salary and get back $10 million?

[gambitx777]

I mean, we could send Bojan+Jason Smith and a 2nd round pick to Denver for Arthur and Will Barton. Get a legit wing scorer off the bench and an upgrade of a stretch 4 off the bench.

Sato Frazier
Barton Mac
Oubre
Arthur McCullough
Mahinmi

Much better depth than last season.

I would agree but smith won't be in the deal i would much becase bogs wants too much money and they jsut blew all their cap room on milsap.
I would be fine with a deal like this.
Bogs s&t 11 mill a year 3-4 year deal Aaron white and 2018 second. for aurther and barton and the draft rights to Petr Cornelie
if they want bogz t this point they need to s&T for him, but I doubt they do it. but man I would love to get barton in here he might want to extend in his home town and Petr Cornelie is a monster waiting to happen.

[gambitx777]

A deal with the suns, they said they are looking to take on money to add assets, I wounder if this would work?
Mahinmi and a 2019 first and Aaron white for a S&T for Alex Len, (4 years 40 - 48 mill) thats about what hes worth and I can't see him getting much more else where and the suns don't seem to keen on keep him? I mean if they don't plan on keeping him any wy why not get something out of him walking. ?

[NatP4]

I mean, we could send Bojan+Jason Smith and a 2nd round pick to Denver for Arthur and Will Barton. Get a legit wing scorer off the bench and an upgrade of a stretch 4 off the bench.

Sato Frazier
Barton Mac
Oubre
Arthur McCullough
Mahinmi

Much better depth than last season.

They're trying to save money, if Bojan is trying to get $16 mil a year, why would we send back $21 million in salary and get back $10 million?

For some reason I totally forgot about him getting a pay raise. Was thinking 4.6 million qualifying offer for whatever reason.

[FAH1223]

Here's what I'd do over the next 2 seasons.

Dump Mahinmi.

Get John to convince Boogie to sign a 1+1 max in 2018, so he can opt out in 2019. (Without tampering of course)

Sign Boogie in 2019.

[Rafael122]

Here's what I'd do over the next 2 seasons.

Dump Mahinmi.

Get John to convince Boogie to sign a 1+1 max in 2018, so he can opt out in 2019. (Without tampering of course)

Sign Boogie in 2019.

Even with Mahinmi being a salary dump, we still don't have enough room to go after Cousins. I think we're about $7 million over the projected cap for 2018-2019.

If the point is to have a Wall-Beal-Porter-Cousins team, then you basically have to get rid of Gortat/Morris/Sato, hope Smith doesn't pick up his option, and McCullough's team option doesn't get picked up. It still isn't enough room if Cousins is expecting to get something around $27-28 million. We'd probably have to shed Meeks as well.

Arguably the easier route would be to do something like Porter and Sato for Cousins and Ajinca.