Schultz: Raptors also shopping Jonas Valanciunas -- there is interest

[Veggamattic]

Straight trade for Brandon Knight

That contract is terrible lmao

So's the player too.

Let me ask you both how much you really followed Knight. I watch Phoenix a ton. Every game 2 years ago. Half last year. 2 years ago he scored 20 points a game. He also had a few games where he put on some world class displays...getting scorching hot and taking over games. Then he was injured and Booker came into play. By the time he was back he had no position on the team. He still didn't get his flow back and didn't seem like he was truly recovered for injury. He lost his confidence after being replaced by a 19 year old and started to play poorly after hearing trade rumours galore. Knight might be the most intelligent player in the league and is still fairly young...it is obvious to me that a change of scenery will do wonders for him. He is the ultimate buy low guy in the league right now and would be a great back up 2.

[alpngso]

Yeah just like

Baragnani
Ed Davis
Terrence Ross
Amir Johnson

All became stars when they left Casey system

"you don't know what you're talkin about. JV is a special player. He's a good post player with moves. He just needs to shed some pounds to be faster."

JV doesn't have any use in our system and will be blocking Poeltl's growth. He needs to go

The Raptors have a system? Oh right, that must be the one our GM completely trashed during his end of season press conference.

Of course he did proceed to keep the coach who's "system" he trashed.

Yeah the system is called iso ball with lowry and derozan so JV has no use in the system.

And we all know that culture reset thing is bunch of crap anyways.

[Kreamy]

I can't believe Casey will outlive JV on the team and that we'll never get to see JV under a proper coach. This one will probably sting a bit more than JJ next year.

[Tha Cynic]

Yeah just like

Baragnani
Ed Davis
Terrence Ross
Amir Johnson

All became stars when they left Casey system

You just listed 4 mediocre role players and made up a story about them being expected to become all-stars. Carry on...

RealGM absolutely had expectations of ross/bargs being all stars . I remember that one game where tross played great defense on PG and everyone thought he was going to be the next PG

There's a huge difference between idiots on RealGM thinking those mediocre role players becoming all-stars and a guy who has actually shown that he can be useful when the moron coaching is forced to use him.

If people could not see the difference in talent between those 4 and JV, then there really isn't much to be said.

[Kurtz]

JV for Aldrige is going to happen.

It would make some sense...curious to know what Pop could do with him. Wouldn't be much harm from our side...one or two years of Aldridge and then full rebuild...

One thing is I'm not sure how Ibaka/Aldridge would pair, but I could see LMA getting along with Casey.

JV and CoJo for LMA works IMO. We don't save any money, but LMA may work better in Casey's ISO system. Plus he can leave next summer, freeing up tons of cash for Powell. MLSE just has to eat one year of tax.

Maybe Spurs can then stretch Parker and use Mills and Cojo as their PGs? Pops is also one of the few coaches that can turn JV into a beast. Put in a few coaching sessions with Tim Duncan too.

I think this favours SAN Antonio a bit. I wonder if we could do Aldrige+Green for JV + Caroll. Green has stagnated in San Antonio, while Caroll is most effective in a ball-movement system and would likely do well for Pops.

It's a salary-neutral move that will then allow us to move COJO (and maybe Bebe) for capspace, putting us right near the Luxury tax line.

[Asif16]

Im just glad to hear there's interest for him.

Cmon Masai, get it done.

[Lake Forrest]

People saying Jonas will flourish elsewhere forget that big men like him are deadweight in this era, if you cant switch or space the floor, 20 and 10 means nothing

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[Tha Cynic]

At the end of the day, Masai has committed to Casey, and the only players who will thrive under Casey are hustle guys and guys who can create for themselves. Everyone else fails. The team won't go anywhere, but at least they can give fans false hope. We can watch Ibaka take terrible jumpshots and try to help recover for the terrible defensive system they play for the next three years and then finally start the much needed rebuild, with a new coach.

[Mark_83]

Hope we don't trade him on 10 cents on the dollar...

Sucks that he wasn't traded years ago when his value was higher also really sucks that we strongly considered
drafting Kawahi but Colangelo couldn't resist his Euro fetish. I guess it could have been worse he could have drafted
Jan Vessley.

Yeah, I remember Kawhi was in heavy consideration by BC. He was the guy I really wanted because at the time we had Bargnani and we really needed a rebounding wing to compensate a la Shawn Marion. That's what I thought Kawhi would end up being.

No one thought he would be this good though and I think part of that is Pop and their player development. He wouldn't have had that here. JV was the logical pick at the time. We couldn't have expected that the game would change and back to the basket big men would become obsolete.

[Tha Cynic]

Before we trade JV, I say we get him to Slim Down to his rookie shape, and see what we have.

It doesn't matter what shape he's in - big men with talent WILL NOT flourish under Casey. The only big men who work are guys who play like garbage men. Wasn't there some stat about the big men on the Raptors having the worst usage or something.

[Lukeem]

Yeah just like

Baragnani
Ed Davis
Terrence Ross
Amir Johnson

All became stars when they left Casey system

not saying JV will for sure flourish outside of casey's system but not really the right comparison to make with "come hell or high water" bargnani or amir who had no legs by the end of his raptors days.

i think a closer comparison is to james johnson's case who also was in casey's doghouse, who also showed potential in bursts and who also was carrying extra pounds.

We use players that our narrative I guess lol

James Johnson was told by pat Riley if he didn't lose weight. He would be out of the league and lost and was productive in Miami. Nowhere near a star though. Just good rotation player on 41-41 team. If jv turns into a rotation player on under 500 team. Then awesome for him. But there is nothing to wallow about

JJ much more mature than he was in Toronto

you are hilarious the way you use players that fit your narrative despite having next to zero similarities to jv then dog someone that uses someone that fits his narrative

[RaptorsLife]

not saying JV will for sure flourish outside of casey's system but not really the right comparison to make with "come hell or high water" bargnani or amir who had no legs by the end of his raptors days.

i think a closer comparison is to james johnson's case who also was in casey's doghouse, who also showed potential in bursts and who also was carrying extra pounds.

We use players that our narrative I guess lol

James Johnson was told by pat Riley if he didn't lose weight. He would be out of the league and lost and was productive in Miami. Nowhere near a star though. Just good rotation player on 41-41 team. If jv turns into a rotation player on under 500 team. Then awesome for him. But there is nothing to wallow about

JJ much more mature than he was in Toronto

you are hilarious the way you use players that fit your narrative despite having next to zero similarities to jv then dog someone that uses someone that fits his narrative

There was people here that thought ross was gonna be a superstar because he left Casey system. Lol

Those young guys that had potential that left Casey system.

Honestly I rather have Ross than jv at this point he Atleast fits in Todays NBA

[alienchild]

The best destination for JV, only based on resetting his career, not taking into account salary cap considerations, is the Spurs. Pops knows how to take advantage of a traditional big and could get him headed in the right direction. BC wasn't aware where the game was headed when he drafted him.

[Anticon]

It would make some sense...curious to know what Pop could do with him. Wouldn't be much harm from our side...one or two years of Aldridge and then full rebuild...

One thing is I'm not sure how Ibaka/Aldridge would pair, but I could see LMA getting along with Casey.

Aldridge is the first guy I've seen who's unable to fit in the Spurs system. He's a hard headed iso-ball player. Then again, I guess that fits our style of play so we might as well go get guys who do it well.

Also, Paul Pierce hates him so we have that going for us.

Not to mention he comes up small in the Playoffs.

This is our guy.

LMAO, as Shea Serrano calls him.

[Lukeem]

We use players that our narrative I guess lol

James Johnson was told by pat Riley if he didn't lose weight. He would be out of the league and lost and was productive in Miami. Nowhere near a star though. Just good rotation player on 41-41 team. If jv turns into a rotation player on under 500 team. Then awesome for him. But there is nothing to wallow about

JJ much more mature than he was in Toronto

you are hilarious the way you use players that fit your narrative despite having next to zero similarities to jv then dog someone that uses someone that fits his narrative

There was people here that thought ross was gonna be a superstar because he left Casey system. Lol

Those young guys that had potential that left Casey system.

Honestly I rather have Ross than jv at this point he Atleast fits in Todays NBA

so youre saying because ross hasnt had a breakout yet, jv never will?

honest question, please dont take offense... is english your first language ?

[TheGameWinner]

Hope he finds his way to san antonio - loyal to JV, not to casey.

he would become an amazing addition there

[tdot56]

I am sure Masai will make something good happen... Carroll, on the other hand.we may need to give pick... etc would like to see jv, cojo, carroll, bebe traded.... ideally... go with youth.... at SF, PF, c..other than ibaka...

[RaptorsLife]

you are hilarious the way you use players that fit your narrative despite having next to zero similarities to jv then dog someone that uses someone that fits his narrative

There was people here that thought ross was gonna be a superstar because he left Casey system. Lol

Those young guys that had potential that left Casey system.

Honestly I rather have Ross than jv at this point he Atleast fits in Todays NBA

so youre saying because ross hasnt had a breakout yet, jv never will?

honest question, please dont take offense... is english your first language ?

Of course it's my favourite language loll

I'm saying Casey system isn't some hazard. For young players. The good ones will develop. The average ones will remain the same. Just like any other team lol

And any playoffs team ain't gonna give jv huge mins because every single team is moving away from centres like him

[TorontoRapsFan]

Oh I hope to hell someone can rebound. I really don't want to go back to the days we were getting out rebounded by double digits all the time. Please god no. Casey better know how to handle Poeltl

[RaptorsLife]

We should really sign Kennedy Meeks on our summer league team. Beast rebounder