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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1141 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:37 am

Prokorov wrote:
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Curns13 wrote:I guess the difference is that we know what we will be getting for $25M with Porter. We don't know what RHJ will be in 2 years. He may be a bench contributor for $8M or he might turn himself into a mini Draymond for $25M. Most likely somewhere in between.

I think the problem is, you don't know exactly what you're getting with Porter either and that's a lot of change for the mystery box.


Yeah....

is porter:

Marvin Williams?
Trevor Ariza?
Tayshaun Prince?
Harrison Barnes?
Paul George?

Rashard Lewis?
Young Robert Horry?
Cliff Robinson?
Rodney Rogers pre-bulk up?
Lamond Murray?

Some of these names aren't confidence inspiring at max... :lol:
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1142 » by Curns13 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:39 am

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Green doesnt factor in for me at all. i want no part of him.

if i have to choose between porter at 25M and RHJ at 17M im taking porter. id prefer not to have either... pass on porter and eventually move RHJ before he is due an extension

I guess the difference is that we know what we will be getting for $25M with Porter. We don't know what RHJ will be in 2 years. He may be a bench contributor for $8M or he might turn himself into a mini Draymond for $25M. Most likely somewhere in between.

I think the problem is, you don't know exactly what you're getting with Porter either and that's a lot of change for the mystery box.

Yeah I get that. We know what Porter is right now, but not what he might be in 4 years. We don't know what RHJ will be in 2 years, let alone 6 years.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1143 » by Prokorov » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:41 am

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i dont think that factors in at all. defense translates more then any other skill from good team to bad team from regular season to playoffs. Also, the other elite defenders from playoff teams are locked up, older, or worse.

Draymond green, jimmy butler, paul george - unavailable or locked up.

Danny green, tony allen - older

Andre roberson - worse

other then injury there is simply nothing to prevent a 15-20M offer from RHJ.

Usually several defensive wings get drafted into the league every year.
In three years, we might find out Jaylen Brown from Celtics and Justise Winslow from the heat and many others grow into a better defender than RHJ.

Brown and Winslow had the benefit of coming into teams with a defensive minded big man anchoring the defense. RHJ is better than Winslow already.

We'll see how he fares alongside Mozgov and Allen. His first season playing next to defensive oriented bigs that can cover the PnR and block shots. RHJ fits on a team that plays active perimeter defense with a big that can be the second line of the defense.

Lopez has never been capable of that consistently. That affects everybody else as well.


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even WITH lopez RHJ has ranked out super high defensively.

16-17: 3rd behind Allen, Roberson.
15-16: 3rd behind Allen, Green

his on/off stats on BOTH ends of the floor are off the charts. keep in mind he was 20 as a rookie and 21 last year. at 22 still alot of room to grow. he is also a much better rebounder then roberson and allen. which adds to defensive value as you can get away with him as a PF. With roberson and allen they ahve to play the 2 or 3 where it hurts more ot have a poor shooter.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1144 » by Prokorov » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:42 am

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vincecarter4pres wrote:I think the problem is, you don't know exactly what you're getting with Porter either and that's a lot of change for the mystery box.


Yeah....

is porter:

Marvin Williams?
Trevor Ariza?
Tayshaun Prince?
Harrison Barnes?
Paul George?

Rashard Lewis?
Young Robert Horry?
Cliff Robinson?
Rodney Rogers pre-bulk up?
Lamond Murray?

Some of these names aren't confidence inspiring at max... :lol:


Travis outlaw?
Bobby simmons?
Walter Mccarty?
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1145 » by Prokorov » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:43 am

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Curns13 wrote:I guess the difference is that we know what we will be getting for $25M with Porter. We don't know what RHJ will be in 2 years. He may be a bench contributor for $8M or he might turn himself into a mini Draymond for $25M. Most likely somewhere in between.

I think the problem is, you don't know exactly what you're getting with Porter either and that's a lot of change for the mystery box.

Yeah I get that. We know what Porter is right now, but not what he might be in 4 years. We don't know what RHJ will be in 2 years, let alone 6 years.


we dont need to know what RHJ will be in 2 years because he isnt due for a deal yet... we can wait and evaluate it then.

porter, we would have to project and decide on now.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1146 » by Curns13 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:43 am

Prokorov wrote:
Paradise wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:Usually several defensive wings get drafted into the league every year.
In three years, we might find out Jaylen Brown from Celtics and Justise Winslow from the heat and many others grow into a better defender than RHJ.

Brown and Winslow had the benefit of coming into teams with a defensive minded big man anchoring the defense. RHJ is better than Winslow already.

We'll see how he fares alongside Mozgov and Allen. His first season playing next to defensive oriented bigs that can cover the PnR and block shots. RHJ fits on a team that plays active perimeter defense with a big that can be the second line of the defense.

Lopez has never been capable of that consistently. That affects everybody else as well.


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even WITH lopez RHJ has ranked out super high defensively.

16-17: 3rd behind Allen, Roberson.
15-16: 3rd behind Allen, Green

his on/off stats on BOTH ends of the floor are off the charts. keep in mind he was 20 as a rookie and 21 last year. at 22 still alot of room to grow. he is also a much better rebounder then roberson and allen. which adds to defensive value as you can get away with him as a PF. With roberson and allen they ahve to play the 2 or 3 where it hurts more ot have a poor shooter.

Is RHJ the best non-centre defender in the league still on a rookie contract?
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1147 » by Curns13 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:44 am

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vincecarter4pres wrote:I think the problem is, you don't know exactly what you're getting with Porter either and that's a lot of change for the mystery box.

Yeah I get that. We know what Porter is right now, but not what he might be in 4 years. We don't know what RHJ will be in 2 years, let alone 6 years.


we dont need to know what RHJ will be in 2 years because he isnt due for a deal yet... we can wait and evaluate it then.

porter, we would have to project and decide on now.

And that's why I don't wanna give up RHJ in a sign and trade.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1148 » by Prokorov » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:48 am

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Prokorov wrote:
Paradise wrote:Brown and Winslow had the benefit of coming into teams with a defensive minded big man anchoring the defense. RHJ is better than Winslow already.

We'll see how he fares alongside Mozgov and Allen. His first season playing next to defensive oriented bigs that can cover the PnR and block shots. RHJ fits on a team that plays active perimeter defense with a big that can be the second line of the defense.

Lopez has never been capable of that consistently. That affects everybody else as well.


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even WITH lopez RHJ has ranked out super high defensively.

16-17: 3rd behind Allen, Roberson.
15-16: 3rd behind Allen, Green

his on/off stats on BOTH ends of the floor are off the charts. keep in mind he was 20 as a rookie and 21 last year. at 22 still alot of room to grow. he is also a much better rebounder then roberson and allen. which adds to defensive value as you can get away with him as a PF. With roberson and allen they ahve to play the 2 or 3 where it hurts more ot have a poor shooter.

Is RHJ the best non-centre defender in the league still on a rookie contract?


Well that depends...

you could argue Taurean Prince as a better defender. He is up there too.

The you have robert covington, who is on a minimum deal not a rookie deal as he was signed out of the dleague after waived as a rookie by houston.

Both covington and prince you could cetainly give the nod over RHJ. but its close. all 3 can gaurd 2 through 4.

statistically its covington/prince/rhj in RPM. RHJ/Covington/prince in RAPM.

Covington played with Noel/Embiid. prince played with dwight howard. RHJ with lopez. for what thats worth

no one else on a rookie deal is within the top 20 defensively. those three are all top 5-10.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1149 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:49 am

Prokorov wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Yeah....

is porter:

Marvin Williams?
Trevor Ariza?
Tayshaun Prince?
Harrison Barnes?
Paul George?

Rashard Lewis?
Young Robert Horry?
Cliff Robinson?
Rodney Rogers pre-bulk up?
Lamond Murray?

Some of these names aren't confidence inspiring at max... :lol:


Travis outlaw?
Bobby simmons?
Walter Mccarty?

Why you got to be so negative? :lol:
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1150 » by Prokorov » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:51 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Rashard Lewis?
Young Robert Horry?
Cliff Robinson?
Rodney Rogers pre-bulk up?
Lamond Murray?

Some of these names aren't confidence inspiring at max... :lol:


Travis outlaw?
Bobby simmons?
Walter Mccarty?

Why you got to be so negative? :lol:


Batum?
Gordon?
LMA?
:lol:
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Post#1151 » by All Nets » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:51 am

Thinking about it some more, I'd rather we not max out Porter nor KCP right now. Let's try to get another culture veteran type guy, or maybe we can be last year's Miami Heat, and sign a guy like Dion Waiters for the minimum because teams' salary caps dried up eventually.

At the end of the day, our number one goal should be a Nets championship. Most would believe we've already obtained an important part of the championship formula, the culture, coaching team, and management. Fortunately, none of these things count against the cap but do have a trickle down effect on maximizing team salary for team success.

Ideally, I'd like our salary structure to follow the Spurs' as well. Have your highly paid scouting team find gems in the later rounds (Levert, Whitehead, Allen?), have your highly paid management team avoid overpaying older players for past all-star results, use your saved money to absorb salary dumps while getting solid development players/assets (D'Lo/Wizards 2017 pick).

End up paying lower than average NBA team salary while getting above average NBA results and eventually have enough to contend, thanks your highly paid coaching staff and development team.

Coincidentally, when San Antonio did go out and sign a star to a max (Aldridge), they experienced heavily diminished returns. Thankfully we don't have a Melo or Love on our radar, but I'm dreading that signing Porter or moreso KCP will result in an overpay in the wrong category.

For this upcoming season, I'd like to focus on continuing to build the team culture, improve on last season's win total (should not be hard), and further showcase the Atkinson's motion offense. Adding another Booker type deal (2 yrs $10M per to a current bench guy showing signs of life) is fine with me if that's all we end up doing this off-season when the dust settles.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1152 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:51 am

Prokorov wrote:
Paradise wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:Usually several defensive wings get drafted into the league every year.
In three years, we might find out Jaylen Brown from Celtics and Justise Winslow from the heat and many others grow into a better defender than RHJ.

Brown and Winslow had the benefit of coming into teams with a defensive minded big man anchoring the defense. RHJ is better than Winslow already.

We'll see how he fares alongside Mozgov and Allen. His first season playing next to defensive oriented bigs that can cover the PnR and block shots. RHJ fits on a team that plays active perimeter defense with a big that can be the second line of the defense.

Lopez has never been capable of that consistently. That affects everybody else as well.


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even WITH lopez RHJ has ranked out super high defensively.

16-17: 3rd behind Allen, Roberson.
15-16: 3rd behind Allen, Green

his on/off stats on BOTH ends of the floor are off the charts. keep in mind he was 20 as a rookie and 21 last year. at 22 still alot of room to grow. he is also a much better rebounder then roberson and allen. which adds to defensive value as you can get away with him as a PF. With roberson and allen they ahve to play the 2 or 3 where it hurts more ot have a poor shooter.


Very interesting if this is true.

hopefully RHJ can develop his 3 pt and bulk up so that we can start him at power forward for the foreseeable future instead of spending big money on players like Jamychael green
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1153 » by Prokorov » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:54 am

All Nets wrote:Thinking about it some more, I'd rather we not max out Porter nor KCP right now. Let's try to get another culture veteran type guy, or maybe we can be last year's Miami Heat, and sign a guy like Dion Waiters for the minimum because teams' salary caps dried up eventually.

At the end of the day, our number one goal should be a Nets championship. Most would believe we've already obtained an important part of the championship formula, the culture, coaching team, and management. Fortunately, none of these things count against the cap but do have a trickle down effect on maximizing team salary for team success.

Ideally, I'd like our salary structure to follow the Spurs' as well. Have your highly paid scouting team find gems in the later rounds (Levert, Whitehead, Allen?), have your highly paid management team avoid overpaying older players for past all-star results, use your saved money to absorb salary dumps while getting solid development players/assets (D'Lo/Wizards 2017 pick).

End up paying lower than average NBA team salary while getting above average NBA results and eventually have enough to contend, thanks your highly paid coaching staff and development team.

Coincidentally, when San Antonio did go out and sign a star to a max (Aldridge), they experienced heavily diminished returns. Thankfully we don't have a Melo or Love on our radar, but I'm dreading that signing Porter or moreso KCP will result in an overpay in the wrong category.

For this upcoming season, I'd like to focus on continuing to build the team culture, improve on last season's win total (should not be hard), and further showcase the Atkinson's motion offense. Adding another Booker type deal (2 yrs $10M per to a current bench guy showing signs of life) is fine with me if that's all we end up doing this off-season when the dust settles.


This is very well put. And im pretty well in line with that for the most part. I dont want to pay anyone more then 12-13 million unless its a legit all-star. if that all-star isnt an option for 2,3,4,5 years so be it. keep building that infrastructure so when you do get the star you hit the ground rolling.

We also get our picks back after next year... so if we lack talent, we will at least get decent picks.

if we can get more russells using our cap, all the better
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1154 » by Curns13 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:57 am

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Curns13 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
even WITH lopez RHJ has ranked out super high defensively.

16-17: 3rd behind Allen, Roberson.
15-16: 3rd behind Allen, Green

his on/off stats on BOTH ends of the floor are off the charts. keep in mind he was 20 as a rookie and 21 last year. at 22 still alot of room to grow. he is also a much better rebounder then roberson and allen. which adds to defensive value as you can get away with him as a PF. With roberson and allen they ahve to play the 2 or 3 where it hurts more ot have a poor shooter.

Is RHJ the best non-centre defender in the league still on a rookie contract?


Well that depends...

you could argue Taurean Prince as a better defender. He is up there too.

The you have robert covington, who is on a minimum deal not a rookie deal as he was signed out of the dleague after waived as a rookie by houston.

Both covington and prince you could cetainly give the nod over RHJ. but its close. all 3 can gaurd 2 through 4.

statistically its covington/prince/rhj in RPM. RHJ/Covington/prince in RAPM.

Covington played with Noel/Embiid. prince played with dwight howard. RHJ with lopez. for what thats worth

no one else on a rookie deal is within the top 20 defensively. those three are all top 5-10.

When you consider that Covington is already 4 years older than RHJ (although Prince is a rookie, he is also a year older), he really is just about the best young defender is the league. And guys on here wanna move a 22 year old who is already a top 10 defender in the league cuz he can't hit 3s yet.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1155 » by Prokorov » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:58 am

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Prokorov wrote:
Paradise wrote:Brown and Winslow had the benefit of coming into teams with a defensive minded big man anchoring the defense. RHJ is better than Winslow already.

We'll see how he fares alongside Mozgov and Allen. His first season playing next to defensive oriented bigs that can cover the PnR and block shots. RHJ fits on a team that plays active perimeter defense with a big that can be the second line of the defense.

Lopez has never been capable of that consistently. That affects everybody else as well.


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even WITH lopez RHJ has ranked out super high defensively.

16-17: 3rd behind Allen, Roberson.
15-16: 3rd behind Allen, Green

his on/off stats on BOTH ends of the floor are off the charts. keep in mind he was 20 as a rookie and 21 last year. at 22 still alot of room to grow. he is also a much better rebounder then roberson and allen. which adds to defensive value as you can get away with him as a PF. With roberson and allen they ahve to play the 2 or 3 where it hurts more ot have a poor shooter.


Very interesting if this is true.

hopefully RHJ can develop his 3 pt and bulk up so that we can start him at power forward for the foreseeable future instead of spending big money on players like Jamychael green


i guess he was actually 4th this year... butler was ahead of him too... 3rd the year prior:

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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1156 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:59 am

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Well most people lol. It's pretty neck and neck at the moment and I'm sure there's lots of people that would even say that Russell is better right now.

How would you know? I just don't get that they are so many bad bball minds here, at least the regulars right now (NS doesn't count). If you're talking about the individual offensive players, then you might have a point, but overall? That's pretty absurd, not even close.

Also no I see LeVert being a SG or a PG since both him and D'Angelo are capable of being primary ball handlers and are great passers. Also he played a decent amount of point at Michigan. It doesn't really matter which one is penciled in at point.

Just cuz a certain player played a certain position in college, doesn't he will play that in the NBA. Just cuz they are capable of being primary ball handlers and are great passers doesn't mean they will play PG.
And no he didn't have any opportunity to play SG last year. The Nets had a very unbalanced roster last season because of Their abundance of guards because of Lins inability to stay healthy. LeVert was literally the only reasonable option at SF for the Nets once they moved RHJ to power forward. The only other player who was even physically capable of playing SF was KJ who we basically aqcuired for free and is no longer even on the team. He wasn't even taller than LeVert, he was our tallest perimeter player last season which is the only reason he started at SF.

I don't know what you watched last season. JHar started at SF and did well. When Kenny wanted to start LVJ, he started Foye with him. JHar is more suitable to play SF cuz he's buff and not very fast.


It's funny cause the only bad ball minds are the Lin fans who suffer from the delusion that he's some sort of elite player that's unrivaled be others.

While it is true that there exist people like that but to say they are the only ones would be flat wrong.
They truly are neck and neck at this point and a small leap by Russell will make him without a doubt the better player.

Anyone who thinks that would have a bad bball mind or is ignorant. I can't believe I have to explain it but here we go.

First of all, offensive game is only a small part of the game. They might be not far in that department, Lin is a much better player on the other side of the court. (I hope I don't have to explain that to you?) Lin is much better off the court (this as well?). He provides much better on court leadership and he makes his teammates better, something DRuss has yet to show capable of. Lin has done playoffs heroics while DRuss has never sniffed it. When the Lakers wanted to tank, they benched Lin; later on, they'd play DRuss big minutes and got the picks.
Many people think Russell is better you could tell by all the comments about how he was the best player on the team after the trade.

I'm sorry, I've basically read every single post after the trade and there are only a meager amount of posts that said that. Many people think that several years down the road he could become the better player, that's pretty reasonable.

And you must have just been watching Lin the whole time or something because LeVert is very capable of being a primary ball handler and showed it last season.

Read more carefully? I said, "just cuz he is capable of being a primary ball handler doesn't mean he will be the PG."
Also your quote about Harris is just completely wrong. He started 11 games, struggled to get consistent minutes all year and he's a fringe NBA player who only played 5 games in 2015. He's also unathletic, 6'6 with short arms and has no place playing small forward. In fact you mentioning Joe Harris as a small forward further proves the very well known point that the Nets lacked an actual small forward on last years roster. That's why Sean marks said that that was the position that he wanted to address the most over the offseason.

I'm sorry, your opinion would directly contradict Kenny's. I do believe that Kenny has a much better bball mind than you do and I happen to agree with him. He started JHar at SF with relatively good results. Unfortunately he was out for the season with an injury. He is surely not a very good player, but he's no worse than Foye. I'm not sure you understand what I was saying. The point is, Kenny could have started JHar at SF and LVJ at SG but he elected to go with Foye at SG and LVJ at SF. You could certainly say that Kenny is completely wrong but it wouldn't mean much. Small forward is surely a position of need but it wouldn't be cuz LVJ isn't suitable to play there. Positions are more fluid now. RHJ wasn't "an actual" PF but he is one now. LVJ wasn't "an actual" SF but he is one now. Again, one would do well to keep in mind that the league is going smaller at this moment, or towards the interchangeable middle.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1157 » by antique0o0 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:01 am

Paradise wrote:
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Prokorov wrote:
i dont think that factors in at all. defense translates more then any other skill from good team to bad team from regular season to playoffs. Also, the other elite defenders from playoff teams are locked up, older, or worse.

Draymond green, jimmy butler, paul george - unavailable or locked up.

Danny green, tony allen - older

Andre roberson - worse

other then injury there is simply nothing to prevent a 15-20M offer from RHJ.

Usually several defensive wings get drafted into the league every year.
In three years, we might find out Jaylen Brown from Celtics and Justise Winslow from the heat and many others grow into a better defender than RHJ.

Brown and Winslow had the benefit of coming into teams with a defensive minded big man anchoring the defense. RHJ is better than Winslow already.

We'll see how he fares alongside Mozgov and Allen. His first season playing next to defensive oriented bigs that can cover the PnR and block shots. RHJ fits on a team that plays active perimeter defense with a big that can be the second line of the defense.

Lopez has never been capable of that consistently. That affects everybody else as well.


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Celtics don't have any defensive minded big man, their defense relies heavily on their wings.
Although Heat has Whiteside, they still relies big on their wings, their wings rotation are improtant for them, especially in their playoff series one season ago.
RHJ isn't better than Winslow.
Mozgov isn't a good PnR defender...
Most NBA stats aren't credible. At most times the people who interprets those data are biased, or the data themselves are flawed. Basketball is just too complicated with so many uncontrollable variables.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1158 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:03 am

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Crunky wrote:Lin is expendable with D'lo and Levert here, his age doesn't match the teams window. I doubt he get's a big offer on the open market because almost every team has a point guard or is developing one.


Lin is this teams leader. he is critical for the mentoring and development of young guys. he is worth keeping. especially since he probably doesnt bring back the value worth it in a trade


Agree with you regarding the mentorship.

This upcoming season, Lin will be the team leader. He's the incumbent for team captain after Brook's departure (unlikely it goes to Skil or RHJ) and he'll have to live up to it. He cannot afford another injury riddled season and be thought of as this team's leader going forward (picks up player option or extension).

D'Lo and Levert will have some pressure to further develop their game, but I wouldn't expect them to be the voice of the team, at least not yet. Ideally both can grow into leaders on the court.

Agreed. Without a good vet leader, it's easy to turn into some sorta jail-blazers. Markinson are definitely trying not to have that happen.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1159 » by Prokorov » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:04 am

ChokeFasncists wrote:I'm sorry, your opinion would directly contradict Kenny's. I do believe that Kenny has a much better bball mind than you do and I happen to agree with him. He started JHar at SF with relatively good results. Unfortunately he was out for the season with an injury. He is surely not a very good player, but he's no worse than Foye. I'm not sure you understand what I was saying. The point is, Kenny could have started JHar at SF and LVJ at SG but he elected to go with Foye at SG and LVJ at SF. You could certainly say that Kenny is completely wrong but it wouldn't mean much. Small forward is surely a position of need but it wouldn't be cuz LVJ isn't suitable to play there. Positions are more fluid now. RHJ wasn't "an actual" PF but he is one now. LVJ wasn't "an actual" SF but he is one now. Again, one would do well to keep in mind that the league is going smaller at this moment, or towards the interchangeable middle.


i think the idea as im sure we've all heard several times is they want to play positionless basket ball 1 through 4...

I think levert CAN 100% play small forward. but i think long term he is better suited at SG because of how well he handles the ball and passes.

issue is, if levert plays SF... can he handle PFs? can the SG(russell) handle small forwards?

if you put levert at SG he can handle SF as well. if you get someone like porter he can gaurd SF and PF. that works a bit better
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2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1160 » by Paradise » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:09 am

antique0o0 wrote:
Paradise wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:Usually several defensive wings get drafted into the league every year.
In three years, we might find out Jaylen Brown from Celtics and Justise Winslow from the heat and many others grow into a better defender than RHJ.

Brown and Winslow had the benefit of coming into teams with a defensive minded big man anchoring the defense. RHJ is better than Winslow already.

We'll see how he fares alongside Mozgov and Allen. His first season playing next to defensive oriented bigs that can cover the PnR and block shots. RHJ fits on a team that plays active perimeter defense with a big that can be the second line of the defense.

Lopez has never been capable of that consistently. That affects everybody else as well.


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Celtics don't have any defensive minded big man, their defense relies heavily on their wings.
Although Heat has Whiteside, they still relies big on their wings, their wings rotation are improtant for them, especially in their playoff series one season ago.
RHJ isn't better than Winslow.
Mozgov isn't a good PnR defender...

Winslow is just horrible offensively. Why can't we value our homegrown guys? The grass is not greener elsewhere all the time.

RHJ - 8/5/2 on 43% FG / 51.7 TS% / 13.7 PER / 75% FTs

Per 36 - 13 PTS, 9 REBS, 3 ASTs

Winslow - 10/5/3 on 35% FG / 39.9 TS% / 8.5 PER / 61% FTs

Per 36 - 11 PTS, 5 REBS, 3 ASTs


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