OKC Thunder Offseason 2017: The Reshapening

[ThunderBolt]

Speaking of which:
So.....
Can anyone present a realistic scenario where T-Ferguson isn't getting traded as soon as July 7 hits.
I'm trying to think of reasons he isn't playing summer league and an unsigned contract should not be one of them.
If that is the price of moving kanter, then singler better be going with them.

Supposedly it's FIBA clearance bull ****. Just reported.
http://www.normantranscript.com/oklahoma/terrance-ferguson-still-needs-fiba-clearance/article_25063cc0-6052-11e7-84a8-cf985d4b4a38.html

Ah. Thanks for that.

Rudy Gay is scheduled to meet with Clippers tomorrow. We are going to mess around and not have a power forward.

I don't think the clippers are that attractive of a destination. I wouldn't put a ton of stock into it. They lost chris paul and are still over the cap. They can't offer him any more money than we can on a worse team. Unless they trade some of the few good players they have left.

Sac only has about 38 million committed at the moment if the hoopshype salaries are correct, so even if they snag Porter away from Washington somehow, they will still have plenty of cap room to absorb Kanter and another salary.

I would much rather have gallinari tbh, but he has his injury concerns as well, so its kind of a toss up.

Can he play the 4?

[slick_watts]

We can't start Adams, Roberson, and LRMAM. It barely worked with ibaka and a significantly better version of Paul George.

do you think taj gibson last year was significantly better than LRMAM on offensive impact?

'barely worked' with ibaka? those starting units were like +20pp100 lol.

For us? Absolutely. For Chicago? No clue. But he is definitely a better offensive player on his own than mbah a moute.

And by barely worked I was talking about the process, not the results. Ibaka gave us just enough spacing, and cupcake could score on anyone at will, so it worked. George isn't that caliber and we won't survive this conference without a third player to put pressure on defenses.

i guess we can agree to disagree there.

[getrichordie]

Should have drafted Horford in 07

Hey Bondom, where's that excel sheet of adjusted plus-minus (?) for this season that I've seen you post.

Also, what do you guys think about bringing Beasley on board? I was impressed with his play with the Bucks this season.

[spearsy23]

Ersan ilyasova still out there?

[getrichordie]

Some under-the-radar guys I think we should consider to fill out the roster.

McAdoo (PF)
Beasley (SF/PF)
Carter (SF)
Clark (PG/SG)
Young (SG/SF)

[getrichordie]

Ersan ilyasova still out there?

Yeah, meh. He's on the decline.

[Old Man Game]

So this is potentially interesting for those hoping for Rudy Gay. Can't imagine they want Gallo and Gay out in LAC

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[getrichordie]

So this is potentially interesting for those hoping for Rudy Gay. Can't imagine they want Gallo and Gay out in LAC

Read on Twitter

Ohhhh :] I wonder who else is looking at Gay. Have to think Miami would look into him if they miss out on Hayward. They have a better shot of signing him :[

[spearsy23]

So this is potentially interesting for those hoping for Rudy Gay. Can't imagine they want Gallo and Gay out in LAC

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Houston first, jamal crawford, and diamond stone to atl... Jesus Christ, that's nothing to take on crawfords awful contract. Presti screwed up with the grant trade so badly.

[getrichordie]

So this is potentially interesting for those hoping for Rudy Gay. Can't imagine they want Gallo and Gay out in LAC

Read on Twitter

Houston first, jamal crawford, and diamond stone to atl... Jesus Christ, that's nothing to take on crawfords awful contract. Presti screwed up with the grant trade so badly.

Can you elaborate on how he screwed up with the Grant trade?


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[bondom34]

So this is potentially interesting for those hoping for Rudy Gay. Can't imagine they want Gallo and Gay out in LAC

Read on Twitter

Houston first, jamal crawford, and diamond stone to atl... Jesus Christ, that's nothing to take on crawfords awful contract. Presti screwed up with the grant trade so badly.

Can you elaborate on how he screwed up with the Grant trade?


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Giving up a first for Grant.

[getrichordie]

Houston first, jamal crawford, and diamond stone to atl... Jesus Christ, that's nothing to take on crawfords awful contract. Presti screwed up with the grant trade so badly.

Can you elaborate on how he screwed up with the Grant trade?


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Giving up a first for Grant.

Isn't it heavily protected?


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[Kizz Fastfists]

Isn't it heavily protected?

1-20 protected. If it isn't conveyed it becomes two second round picks. Just one 2nd round pick is more than Grant is worth, much less throwing in Illyasova.

[bondom34]

Can you elaborate on how he screwed up with the Grant trade?


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Giving up a first for Grant.

Isn't it heavily protected?


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He's not really worth more than a second at best.

[retrobro90]

Ive been a rudy defender on here before but if hypothetically I had to choose between re-signing Roberson and adding Rudy Gay for a similar price I think I choose Roberson ten times out of ten. Would rather Roberson and another cheap 4 we can get to add to our collection of 4's by committee.

Someone like Tolliver, Lavoy Allen, etc. I think Lavoy would be nice because he can be a bigger option than we have and he's cheap because he can't play extended minutes really. Tolliver because he's a great vet for the locker room and is a knock down shooter.

Ultimately I think that's our most likely outcome. Re-signing Roberson and splitting the MLE between a 4 and a cheap point guard to compete with Semaj. Maybe a little gunner type that can play off PG when Paul is (hopefully) orchestrating the 2nd unit.

Kanter could potentially have positive trade value by next year with a shorter deal and who knows he could develop a 3 ball or have a great playoff series. Still young and while he's still bad defensively he's gotten better than he was.

[Pillendreher]

At this point I honestly think we could miss the playoffs if we don't hit on a significant free agent. A healthy gay as a third option would ensure playoffs, Patterson probably does too, anybody else I think you're hoping to take a chance and need two risks to pay off ie Evans being healthy and huestis surpassing expectations while someone like Anthony tolliver just keeps the position warm enough to not be a complete liability.

We can not afford to go into the season with some complete scrub getting the most minutes at the 4. Grant sucks. DMD sucks too. Kanter needs to be gone.

We need somebody making shots and playing some D at the 4.

Patterson's stats look really good:

-9th highest RPM among PFs (8th ORPM; 26th DRPM)
-17th highest RAPM overall (28th ORAPM overall; 66th DRAPM overall)
-+0.9 BPM (+0.5 OBPM; +0.4 DBPM)
-37.04% on Catch & Shoot 3s over the last 4 years (more than 900 attempts)
-Top 33 % in Spot Up in 2015/2016; Top 27 % in Spot Up in 2016/2017

[Pillendreher]

This just came to me: Wouldn't straight up dumping Kanter be the best thing we can do? We get a 18 million TPE, still have the Ilyasova TPE, can use the BAE and can also use the full MLE.

Several teams are trying to dump guys. For example we could take both Joseph and Darrell Arthur in a potential Kanter TPE and could still use the MLE to add additional support. Sign Gay or Patterson for the MLE, try to trade for James Ennis III, make Dakari Johnson backup Center:

Westbrook/Joseph
Roberson/Abrines
George/Ennis/x
Patterson/Arthur/x
Adams/Johnson/x

And suddenly we have a strong bench. Just like that. Man, that would be spectacular.

[NetsWorld]

If the opportunity presented itself, and Carmelo was willing to come to OKC, do we we take the risk and trade Adams, a solid center?

[Old Man Game]

This just came to me: Wouldn't straight up dumping Kanter be the best thing we can do? We get a 18 million TPE, still have the Ilyasova TPE, can use the BAE and can also use the full MLE.

Several teams are trying to dump guys. For example we could take both Joseph and Darrell Arthur in a potential Kanter TPE and could still use the MLE to add additional support. Sign Gay or Patterson for the MLE, try to trade for James Ennis III, make Dakari Johnson backup Center:

Westbrook/Joseph
Roberson/Abrines
George/Ennis/x
Patterson/Arthur/x
Adams/Johnson/x

And suddenly we have a strong bench. Just like that. Man, that would be spectacular.

I'm sure they'd love to dump him. I just think teams are wanting other assets to take on the remaining money he's owed.

[Pillendreher]

This just came to me: Wouldn't straight up dumping Kanter be the best thing we can do? We get a 18 million TPE, still have the Ilyasova TPE, can use the BAE and can also use the full MLE.

Several teams are trying to dump guys. For example we could take both Joseph and Darrell Arthur in a potential Kanter TPE and could still use the MLE to add additional support. Sign Gay or Patterson for the MLE, try to trade for James Ennis III, make Dakari Johnson backup Center:

Westbrook/Joseph
Roberson/Abrines
George/Ennis/x
Patterson/Arthur/x
Adams/Johnson/x

And suddenly we have a strong bench. Just like that. Man, that would be spectacular.

I'm sure they'd love to dump him. I just think teams are wanting other assets to take on the remaining money he's owed.

Then give them Grant and the Chicago 2nd or whatever. Get him out of here. We're getting held hostage by this asshat.