2017 Offseason Thread

Ranma · Post #381 » by **Ranma** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 10:55 pm

I want to also point out that the Warriors, a team that drafted Curry, Thompson, Green and also brought in board favorites Livingston, Iguodala, and Durant were ready to bring aboard Gay as Iggy's replacement if it proved necessary. If it's Golden State it's good enough for me. They continue to make moves that align with my personal preferences.

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wassuphomeboy · Post #382 » by **wassuphomeboy** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:07 am

Ranma wrote:
wassuphomeboy wrote:More pennies on the dollar

If we want to go 36-46 the rest of the decade by all means sign Gallo to a 5 year 100 million deal

This is what I meant when I said we shouldn't assume rebuilds will necessarily work out 100%

This is not a rebuild but more of a retool and something we and the media actually argued against as it is misguided. Like you said, committing long-term money to try to compete with a roster that was worse than what we had before doesn't make sense. We'd actually be wasting time and losing flexibility by not focusing on developing young talent and locking giving sacrificing cap space when we could actually make moves later down the line.

At the same time, I can see us trying to retool around Griffin to show that we can be competitive moving forward while rebuilding around him to accelerate the cycle. We'd sacrifice draft position in the meantime, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it makes it that much harder to maintain balance.

I actually don't agree with giving Griffin the max contract, but I'm not really upset about it either. An argument could be made,
that we'd be better off if he did suffer a minimal short-term injury that impacts our regular season record but not hurt his trade value terribly.

I agree with you that committing to Gallinari for hypothetically 5 years for $100 million total is not what I would recommend at all,
but both he and Gay opted out of deals paying approximately $15 million for next season. They'll be looking to get at least that much and teams like Miami and Boston are likely to give it to them if and when they strike out on Hayward.

All good points. I personally think if there's no good deals to be found in this window, we should wait a year until 2018, when there will DEFINITELY be free agents available, some who everyone might be familiar with too. All of our contracts besides Blake either come off the books that year or will be expiring, and there will be approximately $50-60 million in cap space minimum, if we play our cards right.

Blake got a slight overpay IMHO, but since we lost CP3 we couldn't afford to lose him too. He seems like a very hard worker and I have faith he can go back to being a solid #1 option. Having Blake around is better than nothing when it comes to attracting other potential free agents as well.

On a side note, balking at $45 million for CP3 yet advocating to spend this extra cap space on injury prone, unproven as a #1/#2 option SFs is kind of like the Mavs letting Steve Nash go but spending the money on Erick Dampier. I think people are just scared of the high dollar figure instead of looking at the VALUE of the contract, which can be something quite different. For example, a $45 million contract can provide more value than two $20 million contracts and a $5 million one, even though the dollar figures are exactly the same.

Cracka2Hi · Post #383 » by **Cracka2Hi** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:14 am

I don't think Gay makes any sense. The last thing you want it to be paying big $ to 2 players that may not be healthy to start the season. Gallinari makes a lot of sense. The market seems to have dried up for him and that $100 million contract. The Clippers and Nuggets would be smart to get Philly to agree to turn the Redick signing into a S&T. They could then use TPE's to S&T for Gallinari and Hill respectively.

TucsonClip · Post #384 » by **TucsonClip** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:29 am

The very underrated aspect of Gallo's game, which I love the most, is his ability to get to the free throw line.

His career FTr is .454, which is higher than a guy like DeRozan whom lives at the line. Looking even closer this last two years his FTr was at .617 and .516. Considering his usage sits at 20-23%, thats great value and efficiency. So while some might not be impressed with his eFG%, his TS% definitely makes up the difference.

I like wings who can get to the line and hit from deep. Thats what he brings, and something we need.

nickhx2 · Post #385 » by **nickhx2** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:42 am

yeah that was one thing i liked about gallo for a while now. but i haven't paid much attention to how he's played for a couple years and i'd definitely wonder how that changes as he ages.

Neddy · Post #386 » by **Neddy** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:05 am

wassuphomeboy wrote:
Ranma wrote:
wassuphomeboy wrote:More pennies on the dollar

If we want to go 36-46 the rest of the decade by all means sign Gallo to a 5 year 100 million deal

This is what I meant when I said we shouldn't assume rebuilds will necessarily work out 100%

This is not a rebuild but more of a retool and something we and the media actually argued against as it is misguided. Like you said, committing long-term money to try to compete with a roster that was worse than what we had before doesn't make sense. We'd actually be wasting time and losing flexibility by not focusing on developing young talent and locking giving sacrificing cap space when we could actually make moves later down the line.

At the same time, I can see us trying to retool around Griffin to show that we can be competitive moving forward while rebuilding around him to accelerate the cycle. We'd sacrifice draft position in the meantime, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it makes it that much harder to maintain balance.

I actually don't agree with giving Griffin the max contract, but I'm not really upset about it either. An argument could be made,
that we'd be better off if he did suffer a minimal short-term injury that impacts our regular season record but not hurt his trade value terribly.

I agree with you that committing to Gallinari for hypothetically 5 years for $100 million total is not what I would recommend at all,
but both he and Gay opted out of deals paying approximately $15 million for next season. They'll be looking to get at least that much and teams like Miami and Boston are likely to give it to them if and when they strike out on Hayward.

All good points. I personally think if there's no good deals to be found in this window, we should wait a year until 2018, when there will DEFINITELY be free agents available, some who everyone might be familiar with too. All of our contracts besides Blake either come off the books that year or will be expiring, and there will be approximately $50-60 million in cap space minimum, if we play our cards right.

Blake got a slight overpay IMHO, but since we lost CP3 we couldn't afford to lose him too. He seems like a very hard worker and I have faith he can go back to being a solid #1 option. Having Blake around is better than nothing when it comes to attracting other potential free agents as well.

On a side note, balking at $45 million for CP3 yet advocating to spend this extra cap space on injury prone, unproven as a #1/#2 option SFs is kind of like the Mavs letting Steve Nash go but spending the money on Erick Dampier. I think people are just scared of the high dollar figure instead of looking at the VALUE of the contract, which can be something quite different. For example, a $45 million contract can provide more value than two $20 million contracts and a $5 million one, even though the dollar figures are exactly the same.

that's long before Steve Nash became Steve Nash, and Mark Cuban would have paid twice the value if he or anyone knew what nash was going to become. you are playing hindsight 20/20 game.

Post #387 » by **mkwest** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:14 am

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Ranma · Post #388 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:21 am

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Ranma · Post #389 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:37 am

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Ranma · Post #390 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:39 am

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ejftw · Post #391 » by **ejftw** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:40 am

Good bye Jamal!!!

nickhx2 · Post #392 » by **nickhx2** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:41 am

goodbye, first round pick

just kidding you were never welcome around here, git out

Post #393 » by **og15** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:21 am

3 years later we finally get rid of Jamal and add a legitimate starting SF, albeit, and injury prone one, but still. Really like Gallo, but really worried about this even more injury prone team they've put together.

Neddy · Post #394 » by **Neddy** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:41 am

so, what is the roster after this trade?

Patrick Beverly - Juwan Evans - DeAndre Liggins
Austin RIvers - Lou Williams - Sindarius Thornwell
Danilo Gallinari - Sam Dekker - Wesley Johnson
Blake Griffin - Brice Johnson - Kyle Wiltjer
DeAndre Jordan - Montrezl Harrell

that's our 14 men roster, folks.

I like that we now have gotten rid of Jamal who was a net negative player, but do not like the fact that we had to lose a first rounder to do this. I hope Jerry West vetos every deal that sends out a first rounder from here on. at least getting back Danilo is palatable.

I also think with that lineup, it is possible to find playing time for both Juwan Evans (significant amount) and Sindarius Thornwell (scant amount)

now I suppose Blake and Danilo both can play some backup center minutes, as I just don't see we using Harrell as the primary backup center. when Blake AND Danilo are out with injuries, this team is gonna be a lottery team... isn't blake out until December? we might as well let Danilo start the season on DL. we could use a high lottery bound first rounder to join this particular roster, then we have something special.

nickhx2 · Post #395 » by **nickhx2** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:45 am

og15 wrote:3 years later we finally get rid of Jamal and add a legitimate starting SF, albeit, and injury prone one, but still. Really like Gallo, but really worried about this even more injury prone team they've put together.

yeah only problem is chris paul's gone now lol

Roscoe Sheed · Post #396 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:48 am

I'm happy with this transaction. Gallinari is a very good player.

Although I know it is a great basketball move to trade Crawford, he is one of my favorite players ever in terms of personality. He will make a great commentator some day

SportsFan215 · Post #397 » by **SportsFan215** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:55 am

I would love to see us sign Tony Allen with our MLE to start at SG and fill out our starting lineup. Just imagine that backcourt defense with Beverly and Allen.

Neddy · Post #398 » by **Neddy** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:55 am

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why does Bill Simmons have Luc MAM on that list? he is a free agent who declined his player option after CP3 trade.

does he know something we don't and Luc is coming back with a new contract? or he is an idiot who still thinks we have him under contract?

Neddy · Post #399 » by **Neddy** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:56 am

SportsFan215 wrote:I would love to see us sign Tony Allen with our MLE to start at SG and fill out our starting lineup. Just imagine that backcourt defense with Beverly and Allen.

would be great, and should be considered.

but no way Doc signs a starting caliber SG to block his own son.

nickhx2 · Post #400 » by **nickhx2** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 6:12 am

tony allen's so limited on offense i don't think he has a role as a starter on this team. unless i'm forgetting someone i hope we can bring felton back and pair him with allen (while moving lou williams in the process).