OKC Thunder Offseason 2017: The Reshapening

Post #2161 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:21 pm

OKCThunder wrote:If the opportunity presented itself, and Carmelo was willing to come to OKC, do we we take the risk and trade Adams, a solid center?

I think Adams could net a better player than Carmelo. Carmelo is more of a star in name only. Part of me is curious to see how Adams does with better spacing and the other part wants to trade him and make due with an average center like Houston and Golden State. Moving Adams might get us a solid return that's on a rookie contract. That would also give us cash to sign Gay/Patterson or whoever. We also wouldn't lose any assets to move Kanter.

spearsy23 · Post #2162 » by **spearsy23** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:26 pm

OKCThunder wrote:If the opportunity presented itself, and Carmelo was willing to come to OKC, do we we take the risk and trade Adams, a solid center?

No thanks. I'm not against moving Adams, but not for a worse contract on a declining player.

Thunder Up · Post #2163 » by **Thunder Up** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:49 pm

I don't see how it's possible for OKC to acquire CoJo.
But if it happened, and it was a three team deal that also netted Darrell Arthur? Wow

OkcMagic · Post #2164 » by **OkcMagic** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:53 pm

You guys the only group that dislikes grant. That guy is a legit baller

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Pillendreher · Post #2165 » by **Pillendreher** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:54 pm

OkcMagic wrote:You guys the only group that dislikes grant. That guy is a legit baller

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I'm happy if we are indeed the only group that dislikes him. Should make it that much easier to use him to dump Kanter's sorry ass.

OkcMagic · Post #2166 » by **OkcMagic** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:57 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
OkcMagic wrote:You guys the only group that dislikes grant. That guy is a legit baller

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I'm happy if we are indeed the only group that dislikes him. Should make it that much easier to use him to dump Kanter's sorry ass.

You think kanter sucks? He's also good...von offense.

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Old Man Game · Post #2167 » by **Old Man Game** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:57 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:This just came to me: Wouldn't straight up dumping Kanter be the best thing we can do? We get a 18 million TPE, still have the Ilyasova TPE, can use the BAE and can also use the full MLE.

Several teams are trying to dump guys. For example we could take both Joseph and Darrell Arthur in a potential Kanter TPE and could still use the MLE to add additional support. Sign Gay or Patterson for the MLE, try to trade for James Ennis III, make Dakari Johnson backup Center:

Westbrook/Joseph
Roberson/Abrines
George/Ennis/x
Patterson/Arthur/x
Adams/Johnson/x

And suddenly we have a strong bench. Just like that. Man, that would be spectacular.

I'm sure they'd love to dump him. I just think teams are wanting other assets to take on the remaining money he's owed.

Then give them Grant and the Chicago 2nd or whatever. Get him out of here. We're getting held hostage by this asshat.

I say keep that Chicago 2nd. We don't have our own first so that might be our only chance of drafting someone. Also, no amount of tape and string is likely to rebuild this roster at this point so why sell out our future?

Post #2168 » by **slick_watts** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:08 pm

not a fan of cory joseph. he's an ok backup but more or less a scrub.

OkcMagic · Post #2169 » by **OkcMagic** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:10 pm

So what's everyone ceiling for Terrance? I say if he becomes Gerald green, that's good enough for me

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Old Man Game · Post #2170 » by **Old Man Game** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:14 pm

You know, looking at our traded picks there's a decent chance that Grant trade won't end up being a first. Its not scheduled to go until 2020 but top 20 protected. Assuming George leaves, next summer, even if Russ stays he'll be 32 years old. Can't see 32 year old Russ, Adams and Roberson doing better than pick 20 accordingly.

2020 first round draft pick to Orlando
Two years (exactly two years only) after Oklahoma City conveys a 1st round pick to Minnesota, Oklahoma City will convey its 1st round pick to Orlando (via Philadelphia) protected for selections 1-20 in 2020 or 1-20 in 2021 or 1-20 in 2022; in any year, if this pick is not conveyed because it falls within its protected range, then Oklahoma City will instead convey its 2022 2nd round pick and 2023 2nd round pick to Orlando (i.e., the 1st round pick will not roll over to the following year due to protection) [Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 11/1/2016; Orlando-Philadelphia, 6/22/2017]

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Post #2171 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:17 pm

OkcMagic wrote:So what's everyone ceiling for Terrance? I say if he becomes Gerald green, that's good enough for me

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I think he can be a really good 3 and D guy. He could be part of our next core group. He just doesn't really fit on Russ' timeline. I expect him to be about 2-3 years away from doing much. It's hard to put a ceiling on a guy we haven't seen play. He's such an unknown since he played overseas. His ceiling is allstar and floor is bust that never makes it out of the G-League

Old Man Game · Post #2172 » by **Old Man Game** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:18 pm

OkcMagic wrote:So what's everyone ceiling for Terrance? I say if he becomes Gerald green, that's good enough for me

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Hard to know where he goes skills-wise. From what I've seen on Draft Express and youtube he doesn't look like he can do much with the dribble. Some of us were talking Terrance Ross as a possible upside comp for him.

OkcMagic · Post #2173 » by **OkcMagic** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:18 pm

Yall keep bringing up Russ timeline.. Trust me... We got 8 more years of this Westbrook

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Post #2174 » by **slick_watts** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:20 pm

OkcMagic wrote:Yall keep bringing up Russ timeline.. Trust me... We got 8 more years of this Westbrook

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2-3, at best. you think westbrook is not going to have any noticeable decline until age 36? :noway:

OkcMagic · Post #2175 » by **OkcMagic** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:21 pm

slick_watts wrote:
OkcMagic wrote:Yall keep bringing up Russ timeline.. Trust me... We got 8 more years of this Westbrook

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2-3, at best. you think westbrook is not going to have any noticeable decline until age 36?

Nope, especially since he's developing a three and will have more space to hit them with George on the team.

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Old Man Game · Post #2176 » by **Old Man Game** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:22 pm

OkcMagic wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
OkcMagic wrote:Yall keep bringing up Russ timeline.. Trust me... We got 8 more years of this Westbrook

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2-3, at best. you think westbrook is not going to have any noticeable decline until age 36?

Nope, especially since he's developing a three and will have more space to hit them with George on the team.

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You think George re-signs here next Summer?

OkcMagic · Post #2177 » by **OkcMagic** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:22 pm

Old Man Game wrote:
OkcMagic wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
2-3, at best. you think westbrook is not going to have any noticeable decline until age 36?

Nope, especially since he's developing a three and will have more space to hit them with George on the team.

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You think George re-signs here next Summer?

It depends on how the season goes plus how lonzo seems. If lonzo a bust and we make the WCF then I don't see why not?

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Old Man Game · Post #2178 » by **Old Man Game** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:31 pm

OkcMagic wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:
OkcMagic wrote:

Nope, especially since he's developing a three and will have more space to hit them with George on the team.

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You think George re-signs here next Summer?

It depends on how the season goes plus how lonzo seems. If lonzo a bust and we make the WCF then I don't see why not?

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Possible. I just know he'll have a lot of suitors and he doesn't even have the loyalty/community icon status that KD had to wrestle with in leaving. Pretty much the only thing we've got going for us is being able to offer that 5th year seems to me.

spearsy23 · Post #2179 » by **spearsy23** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:37 pm

Russ isn't declining until 36 and jerami grant is good... I want to live in this fantasy world.

Post #2180 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 3:20 pm

What is a realistic contract for Patterson?