ATL - Kyrie Dealt to Boston for IT, Crowder, Nets pick, etc Pg 87

Baddy Chuck · Post #141 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 12:27 pm

slappyg wrote:The point is that very few of them are willing to leave money on the table and an even bigger point is that they aren't willing to do it because of their ego.

LeBron did that.

slappyg · Post #142 » by **slappyg** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 12:38 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
slappyg wrote:The point is that very few of them are willing to leave money on the table and an even bigger point is that they aren't willing to do it because of their ego.

LeBron did that.

Yes but I hate Lebron so that doesn't count :lol:

How much did he leave on the table?

Rockmaninoff · Post #143 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 2:57 pm

imithanos wrote:
DanoMac wrote:

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And there no Butlers, PGs available, no Millsaps, no Griffins.... Perhaps G.Hill, but they have IT.
End the EAST will hit epic levels of crappiness.

Yeah, the Bucks need to make a play for IT.

In this climate, Hawes/2018 2nd?

MikeIsGood · Post #144 » by **MikeIsGood** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 3:34 pm

DanoMac wrote:

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I actually don't believe it. I won't believe it until I see it. Just so, so dumb.

Prince12 · Post #145 » by **Prince12** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:06 pm

Warriors looking to get a cheap addition in Young or Crawford to get some of that scoring punch they lack.

engelmartin · Post #146 » by **engelmartin** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:30 pm

If Boston was in the West they'd be battling the thunder for the fifth seed. Still, I'd love to see them knock Cleveland off. Ainge is a masterful GM though, not to take anything away from him. Just gotta love that he struck out across the board in free agency.

Bucksfan28 · Post #147 » by **Bucksfan28** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:40 pm

Ainge may have been his own biggest detriment. I'm sure opposing GM's had ambitious visions at what they could shake out of his desperation, and when he wasn't throwing everything but the kitchen sink (EDIT: maybe he was? I missed any reported offers), they turned elsewhere.

Playing the long game could prove to be fruitful if GS disbands in a few years and LBJ is finally gone.

RRyder823 · Post #148 » by **RRyder823** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:49 pm

Bucksfan28 wrote:Ainge may have been his own biggest detriment. I'm sure opposing GM's had ambitious visions at what they could shake out of his desperation, and when he wasn't throwing everything but the kitchen sink (EDIT: maybe he was? I missed any reported offers), they turned elsewhere.

Playing the long game could prove to be fruitful if GS disbands in a few years and LBJ is finally gone.

No matter how Ainge plays it they're in great shape. Trade the future picks for a star and they could make a push now with the added security of knowing they got at least one star. Hold on to them and add 4 top 5 picks in 4 years while also making deep PO runs so there's not really the concern of them hitting the treadmill for another 4-5 years and that's only if none of those picks develop and if they don't then they can still tear down n rebuild.

Really it's the best of both worlds right now for them.

Honestly, despite my love for Giannis and how great he's going to be, if we could trade him for the entire Boston situation, (that includes Ainge, Stevens, roster and future picks), I'd probably do it. Their entire situation is that good.

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M-C-G · Post #149 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:57 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
Bucksfan28 wrote:Ainge may have been his own biggest detriment. I'm sure opposing GM's had ambitious visions at what they could shake out of his desperation, and when he wasn't throwing everything but the kitchen sink (EDIT: maybe he was? I missed any reported offers), they turned elsewhere.

Playing the long game could prove to be fruitful if GS disbands in a few years and LBJ is finally gone.

No matter how Ainge plays it they're in great shape. Trade the future picks for a star and they could make a push now with the added security of knowing they got at least one star. Hold on to them and add 4 top 5 picks in 4 years while also making deep PO runs so there's not really the concern of them hitting the treadmill for another 4-5 years and that's only if none of those picks develop and if they don't then they can still tear down n rebuild.

Really it's the best of both worlds right now for them.

Honestly, despite my love for Giannis and how great he's going to be, if we could trade him for the entire Boston situation, (that includes Ainge, Stevens, roster and future picks), I'd probably do it. Their entire situation is that good.

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I'm pretty sure Ainge could have had Kristaps AND George or Butler with minimal damage to the existing roster (pre draft). We dodged a bullet and I say this fully well knowing that Fultz and whatever they get next year might be great pieces long term.

Oh and I am guessing had he made one of those moves they would have landed Hayward.

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Post #150 » by **Prez** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:15 pm

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Wow he really should've taken that extension

BroncoBuck · Post #151 » by **BroncoBuck** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:22 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
Bucksfan28 wrote:Ainge may have been his own biggest detriment. I'm sure opposing GM's had ambitious visions at what they could shake out of his desperation, and when he wasn't throwing everything but the kitchen sink (EDIT: maybe he was? I missed any reported offers), they turned elsewhere.

Playing the long game could prove to be fruitful if GS disbands in a few years and LBJ is finally gone.

No matter how Ainge plays it they're in great shape. Trade the future picks for a star and they could make a push now with the added security of knowing they got at least one star. Hold on to them and add 4 top 5 picks in 4 years while also making deep PO runs so there's not really the concern of them hitting the treadmill for another 4-5 years and that's only if none of those picks develop and if they don't then they can still tear down n rebuild.

Really it's the best of both worlds right now for them.

Honestly, despite my love for Giannis and how great he's going to be, if we could trade him for the entire Boston situation, (that includes Ainge, Stevens, roster and future picks), I'd probably do it. Their entire situation is that good.

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You're better off having a star than not having a star. In that regard Bucks are ahead of Boston right now.

Not to mention the Horford contract and impending IT/Bradley contracts. That Horford deal was terrible. I get they did it to try and lure Durant, but the minute Durant went to Golden State that deal became a ball and chain. If not for that deal Boston wouldn't have had to wait on a PG or Butler trade until after FA because they'd have the cap to absorb both outright.

Post #152 » by **Prez** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:27 pm

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M-C-G · Post #153 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:37 pm

Prez wrote:

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Definitely serving two masters in Sac, but I like the moves so far.

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RandyBreuer · Post #154 » by **RandyBreuer** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:39 pm

The Kings blow their wad on Hill and Randolph.
Incredible. The worst teams on paper at the moment are now the Nets and Suns, Hawks and Lakers not far behind.

emunney · Post #155 » by **emunney** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:44 pm

Watching Tatum in SL yesterday, I think Ainge's decision not to trade him was roughly 1000% correct.

Bucksfan28 · Post #156 » by **Bucksfan28** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:56 pm

I like Randolph's deal more than Hill's, simply because George will eat in to De'Aaron's playing time. That team woulda been crazy young without those two.

Fotis St · Post #157 » by **Fotis St** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:59 pm

Great time to trade for Hill now ...

M-C-G · Post #158 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 6:01 pm

Bucksfan28 wrote:I like Randolph's deal more than Hill's, simply because George will eat in to De'Aaron's playing time. That team woulda been crazy young without those two.

3rd year is partial guaranteed, makes Hill a nice trade bait after a year.

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RRyder823 · Post #159 » by **RRyder823** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 6:12 pm

BroncoBuck wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
Bucksfan28 wrote:Ainge may have been his own biggest detriment. I'm sure opposing GM's had ambitious visions at what they could shake out of his desperation, and when he wasn't throwing everything but the kitchen sink (EDIT: maybe he was? I missed any reported offers), they turned elsewhere.

Playing the long game could prove to be fruitful if GS disbands in a few years and LBJ is finally gone.

No matter how Ainge plays it they're in great shape. Trade the future picks for a star and they could make a push now with the added security of knowing they got at least one star. Hold on to them and add 4 top 5 picks in 4 years while also making deep PO runs so there's not really the concern of them hitting the treadmill for another 4-5 years and that's only if none of those picks develop and if they don't then they can still tear down n rebuild.

Really it's the best of both worlds right now for them.

Honestly, despite my love for Giannis and how great he's going to be, if we could trade him for the entire Boston situation, (that includes Ainge, Stevens, roster and future picks), I'd probably do it. Their entire situation is that good.

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You're better off having a star than not having a star. In that regard Bucks are ahead of Boston right now.

Not to mention the Horford contract and impending IT/Bradley contracts. That Horford deal was terrible. I get they did it to try and lure Durant, but the minute Durant went to Golden State that deal became a ball and chain. If not for that deal Boston wouldn't have had to wait on a PG or Butler trade until after FA because they'd have the cap to absorb both outright.

Your better off having a competent FO and coach then just having a star.

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HurricaneKid · Post #160 » by **HurricaneKid** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 6:13 pm

Kind of amazing to me that the east got much worse. PG13, Jimmy, Millsap all go west.

Ainge elects not to beat package around Dipo on bad deal for PG, LaVine package for Butler, and loses out on Hayward because of it. I think they still have some moves to make to get younger.