Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII

[NatP4]

I don't understand why teams aren't interested in Patrick Patterson. This guy is 9th in RPM for power forwards, 24th in DRPM. Only 27 years old, would love for the wizards to sign him to a 3 year 25 million$ deal. No more Jason Smith at PF Would always have decent spacing with Patterson/Keef on the floor.

If you simply go into next season with Sato/Mac/Oubre/Patterson/Mahinmi 2nd unit, you have 5 guys who were in the top half at their respective positions in DRPM.

We haven't seen a single wizards related rumor regarding a player that would be in that 8 million per range

You're cherry picking about Patterson, Nat. He doesn't shoot particularly well, & it's not a usage issue since he also doesn't shoot a lot. Yes, his 3pt. % is a bit above average for a PF, but his 2 pt.% is below average. & he never gets to the line, which pulls down his TS% to below average.

So, a below average scorer, to which you can add that he's a way way below average rebounder: 7.5 boards per 40 minutes. For a PF??? That sucks.

In a way, he's a lot like Jason Smith: a below average journeyman. But Smith doesn't cost $8.3m/year, which you would like to give Patterson.

A good floor spacing big that is a versatile defender that can switch out onto the perimeter. Jason Smith is not that at all, and got completely exposed in the playoffs as a non rotational player.

It's just an idea though, but PIF, I need some insight on Marcus Keene, what do you know? I've been watching his highlights and seeing more Isaiah Thomas than Trey Burke.

[pcbothwel]

I don't understand why teams aren't interested in Patrick Patterson. This guy is 9th in RPM for power forwards, 24th in DRPM. Only 27 years old, would love for the wizards to sign him to a 3 year 25 million$ deal. No more Jason Smith at PF Would always have decent spacing with Patterson/Keef on the floor.

If you simply go into next season with Sato/Mac/Oubre/Patterson/Mahinmi 2nd unit, you have 5 guys who were in the top half at their respective positions in DRPM.

We haven't seen a single wizards related rumor regarding a player that would be in that 8 million per range

You're cherry picking about Patterson, Nat. He doesn't shoot particularly well, & it's not a usage issue since he also doesn't shoot a lot. Yes, his 3pt. % is a bit above average for a PF, but his 2 pt.% is below average. & he never gets to the line, which pulls down his TS% to below average.

So, a below average scorer, to which you can add that he's a way way below average rebounder: 7.5 boards per 40 minutes. For a PF??? That sucks.

In a way, he's a lot like Jason Smith: a below average journeyman. But Smith doesn't cost $8.3m/year, which you would like to give Patterson.

A good floor spacing big that is a versatile defender that can switch out onto the perimeter. Jason Smith is not that at all, and got completely exposed in the playoffs as a non rotational player.

It's just an idea though, but PIF, I need some insight on Marcus Keene, what do you know? I've been watching his highlights and seeing more Isaiah Thomas than Trey Burke.

I got to agree with Nat here. I thought Patterson would get 4/70M this offseason, but his playoff performance was bad and the market in general is tepid.
I think we need to be careful with the MLE. When most of the cap space gets eaten up over the next week on Hayward, Hill, and Gallo... we will be one of the better teams with the Full MLE.

Patterson, Gay, Mirotic, CJ Miles, Dedmon, Hardaway Jr., Alan Williams and Muscala are all players we should keep an eye on. I think there is a good chance all of those players would outperform a MLE contract.

[mhd]

If Denver wanted Bogs, could a S&T work for Faried assuming Ted was willing to pay the tax?

[NatP4]

If Denver wanted Bogs, could a S&T work for Faried assuming Ted was willing to pay the tax?

Same for Wilson Chandler I would assume

[dangermouse]

If we got Patrick Patterson with max MLE I'd consider this a good offseason. Open your god damn wallet Uncle Ted, we need a good backup PF.

[verbal8]

If we got Patrick Patterson with max MLE I'd consider this a good offseason. Open your god damn wallet Uncle Ted, we need a good backup PF.

If shooters are getting ridiculous pay and Patterson is overlooked, I wonder if a double S&T would be possible. It even could be a scenario where the Bogs deal creates a TPE and it is used to acquire Patterson.

[payitforward]

I don't understand why teams aren't interested in Patrick Patterson. This guy is 9th in RPM for power forwards, 24th in DRPM. Only 27 years old, would love for the wizards to sign him to a 3 year 25 million$ deal. No more Jason Smith at PF Would always have decent spacing with Patterson/Keef on the floor.

If you simply go into next season with Sato/Mac/Oubre/Patterson/Mahinmi 2nd unit, you have 5 guys who were in the top half at their respective positions in DRPM.

We haven't seen a single wizards related rumor regarding a player that would be in that 8 million per range

You're cherry picking about Patterson, Nat. He doesn't shoot particularly well, & it's not a usage issue since he also doesn't shoot a lot. Yes, his 3pt. % is a bit above average for a PF, but his 2 pt.% is below average. & he never gets to the line, which pulls down his TS% to below average.

So, a below average scorer, to which you can add that he's a way way below average rebounder: 7.5 boards per 40 minutes. For a PF??? That sucks.

In a way, he's a lot like Jason Smith: a below average journeyman. But Smith doesn't cost $8.3m/year, which you would like to give Patterson.

A good floor spacing big that is a versatile defender that can switch out onto the perimeter. Jason Smith is not that at all, and got completely exposed in the playoffs as a non rotational player.

It's just an idea though, but PIF, I need some insight on Marcus Keene, what do you know? I've been watching his highlights and seeing more Isaiah Thomas than Trey Burke.

I did say "in a way" Smith & Patterson were similar: then I said the way "below average journeyman."

I don't know anything about Marcus Keene, nat, but I want to sign him immediately anyway! He'd get $815K. The situation we are in, that would be a very low cost to find out if he has the potential to be an NBA player. I'd hope to give Devin Robinson, Michael Young & Isaac Humphries the same deal. & if we could sign Chris Wood for the minimum (in his case $1.47m) I want him too. That takes us to 17; those last 5 guys cost $5.25m.

Having painted ourselves into a corner, unless we wind up trading Gortat or Mahinmi, the only way this team can improve is to get lucky. Those kids offer 5 chances at that.

[keynote]

As expected, we're in the hunt for a TPE:

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We should be able to get this from any team that signs Bogs, no?

[NatP4]

Meaning we would then turn around and use that TPE to acquire someone like Will Barton

[pcbothwel]

Meaning we would then turn around and use that TPE to acquire someone like Will Barton

Man... I just mentioned this in the EG thread, but I look to combine Bogs in SnT with someone like Jason Smith and get a 18M TPE. A starting salary of 12M, plus Smith and Ochefu would do it.
We would then resign Otto and use MLE to add players... I watch the Pelicans and see if they get nervous around the deadline:

1) GSW: Nuff said
2) SAS: Nuff Said
3) Rockets: Added CP3
4) LAC: Lost CP3, but added Beverly and Gallo
5) Thunder: Added PG13
6) Jazz: Might keep Hayward
7) T-Wolves: Added Teague and Butler
8) Nuggets: Front court as good as Pels with everything else better

Someone tell me who the Pelicans finish in front of???

[gambitx777]

Meaning we would then turn around and use that TPE to acquire someone like Will Barton

Man... I just mentioned this in the EG thread, but I look to combine Bogs in SnT with someone like Jason Smith and get a 18M TPE. A starting salary of 12M, plus Smith and Ochefu would do it.
We would then resign Otto and use MLE to add players... I watch the Pelicans and see if they get nervous around the deadline:

1) GSW: Nuff said
2) SAS: Nuff Said
3) Rockets: Added CP3
4) LAC: Lost CP3, but added Beverly and Gallo
5) Thunder: Added PG13
6) Jazz: Might keep Hayward
7) T-Wolves: Added Teague and Butler
8) Nuggets: Front court as good as Pels with everything else better

Someone tell me who the Pelicans finish in front of???

you can't combine traded payer exceptions. at least to the best of my knowledge.

[pcbothwel]

Meaning we would then turn around and use that TPE to acquire someone like Will Barton

Man... I just mentioned this in the EG thread, but I look to combine Bogs in SnT with someone like Jason Smith and get a 18M TPE. A starting salary of 12M, plus Smith and Ochefu would do it.
We would then resign Otto and use MLE to add players... I watch the Pelicans and see if they get nervous around the deadline:

1) GSW: Nuff said
2) SAS: Nuff Said
3) Rockets: Added CP3
4) LAC: Lost CP3, but added Beverly and Gallo
5) Thunder: Added PG13
6) Jazz: Might keep Hayward
7) T-Wolves: Added Teague and Butler
8) Nuggets: Front court as good as Pels with everything else better

Someone tell me who the Pelicans finish in front of???

you can't combine traded payer exceptions. at least to the best of my knowledge.

I know the cap rules, you're not combining exceptions. We would be trading Bogs, Smith, and Ochefu at one time and taking no players back. It would create one exception.

[gambitx777]

Man... I just mentioned this in the EG thread, but I look to combine Bogs in SnT with someone like Jason Smith and get a 18M TPE. A starting salary of 12M, plus Smith and Ochefu would do it.
We would then resign Otto and use MLE to add players... I watch the Pelicans and see if they get nervous around the deadline:

you can't combine traded payer exceptions. at least to the best of my knowledge.

I know the cap rules, you're not combining exceptions. We would be trading Bogs, Smith, and Ochefu at one time and taking no players back. It would create one exception.

Im not sure thats how that works im pretty sure that would create three separate exceptions.

[LyricalRico]

Looks like Crawford won't want to play for the Hawks. If Atlanta tries to flip him before considering a buyout, any way we could get in on that?

[payitforward]

If we got Patrick Patterson with max MLE I'd consider this a good offseason. Open your god damn wallet Uncle Ted, we need a good backup PF.

If shooters are getting ridiculous pay and Patterson is overlooked, I wonder if a double S&T would be possible. It even could be a scenario where the Bogs deal creates a TPE and it is used to acquire Patterson.

Where is anyone getting the idea that Patrick Patterson is a "shooter," I wonder? Yes, he does take a lot of 3-pt. attempts. & yes he does have a somewhat above average % on them.

So if "shooter" means that & no more, sure. But, he takes a way below average number of 2-point attempts & makes them at a way below average %. Plus,he gets to the line rarely.

An average NBA big takes almost 14 shots per 40 minutes. Last season Patterson took 10. An average NBA big gets to the line @ 4.33 times in 40 minutes. Patterson got there 1.55 times.

An average big scores just over 17 points per 40 minutes. Patterson scored just over 11.5.

Patrick Patterson is about to go into his 8th NBA season. This is who he is. He isn't about to change & become what someone wishes he was. & he scores fewer than average points at a below average TS%.

Add that to 7.5 rebounds per 40 minutes, & it's hard for me to think of him as a target acquisition -- for us or anyone. & certainly not at the MLE, as has been suggested.

[pcbothwel]

you can't combine traded payer exceptions. at least to the best of my knowledge.

I know the cap rules, you're not combining exceptions. We would be trading Bogs, Smith, and Ochefu at one time and taking no players back. It would create one exception.

Im not sure thats how that works im pretty sure that would create three separate exceptions.

Hmmm, I now see what you mean. At the very least, having a 10-12M exception would make it easier to take on salary.
I.E. 12.3M TPE for Hill. Gortat & Oubre for Cousins.
NOP then gets a top 10-12 pick in draft. They stretch Asik for 2.8M per year, and then have 20M+ in cap space along with

Jrue
Moore
Oubre
AD
Gortat

They could add someone like Avery Bradley to that group and very interesting. Great defensive instincts and talent up and down the lineup.

[gambitx777]

Looks like Crawford won't want to play for the Hawks. If Atlanta tries to flip him before considering a buyout, any way we could get in on that?

I hope not. For the few minutes he would get meeks and mac can do just as much as he can at this point in his career

[miller31time]

Looks like Crawford won't want to play for the Hawks. If Atlanta tries to flip him before considering a buyout, any way we could get in on that?

Was thinking the same thing. I know he was never a great player and always fairly inefficient but I feel like he at least provides competence and someone who can not only run the offense but is also a scoring threat.

As long as he wouldn't require too much money.

[payitforward]

Perhaps I misunderstand something, but I don't think a TPE provides "cap relief;" I think it enables you to acquire a player who brings your salary back to where it was with the player you traded. If you were over the cap, it enables you to get back over the cap -- which otherwise you would presumably not be able to do.

What is the basis for the size of a TPE? I take it that if we did a sign and trade w/ Bojan, then the salary we'd signed him for, minus whatever we took back in salary in the trade, would constitute a TPE, which we'd have a year to use.

Inasmuch as we are at almost $99m w/ 12 guys before signing Porter, which will presumably take us decidedly over the luxury tax line w/ only 13 guys, acquiring a TPE via a sign and trade of Bojan seems kind of a useless idea.

Is anyone really expecting that we'll carry 14 guys at $135m (or 15-17 at even more $$) in order to come in 3d in the East behind Cleveland & Boston?

My expectation is that 1 of either Gortat or Mahinmi will be gone by the end of the Summer -- along with yet another R1 pick, naturally.

[NatP4]

One Jamychal Green please