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Re: Schultz: Raptors also shopping Jonas Valanciunas -- there is interest 

Post#181 » by Saciid11 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:53 pm

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Saciid11 wrote:Masai can you please trade JV already so we can shut his fans up for good ...


:lol: Not just a hater, but also a flamer :lol:

What makes you to think that being a hater is better than being a fan ?


I'm fan of Raptors and want the best for the team and if that makes me hater of JV that is fine with me ... If anything I dislike JV fans who overhype him while putting everybody on the team and organization. JV is just a player, if he panned out and put the work in, I would have been a fan..
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Post#182 » by Saciid11 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:00 pm

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Saciid11 wrote:Masai can you please trade JV already so we can shut his fans up for good ...


Look,

I've been on this forum a while and I've seen a fair share of fanboys on this forum.

From the TJ vs Jose debates,

to the Bargnani fan boys,

hell we had guys here who thought Joey Graham was going to develop into an Igoudala.

Everybody has their own perspective on players and although metrics and performance do prove who is an impact player vs who is not, sometimes there are situations where certain opinions are legitimate.

For instance; I advocated a lot for Lowry and was delighted Colangelo got him from Houston. What I was really pissed off about, was Lowry backing up Jose because Casey wasn't flexible enough to give the keys to Lowry.

Jose was defensively weaker, statistically at the time, and although shot the ball well, he was a really bad fit for our team. Eventually Lowry took over and look at what he has accomplished.

I think we can all agree Casey isn't the most flexible and "complete" coach in the history of the league. In fact I think he is lucky that he's come this far.

The league has definitely moved to a mobile athletic rim runner type of center vs the slow prodding big man. But I also think fans of Jonas are upset because in his first year or two, he was exactly what the league requires now.

It's unfortunate Jonas hasn't panned out, but the blame can be shared around.



More excuses and more blaming everybody except JV.

How can the team tell you to bulk up by eating McDonald's and drinking beer.., JV Is supposed to be professional athlete, he should know how to bulk up the right way while maintaining his athleticism if he had any ..
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Re: Schultz: Raptors also shopping Jonas Valanciunas -- there is interest 

Post#183 » by RaptorsLife » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:02 pm



Skip to 8:10 JV is in the best shape of his pro career and still slow as hell lol
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Post#184 » by Moose23 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:08 pm

Saciid11 wrote: JV I said supposed to be professional athlete, he should know how to bulk up the right way while maintaining his athleticism if he had any ..


I dont think that is remotely true, alot of people dont know how to do that and wouldnt know how to start.

People study for years to learn the proper way to gain and or lose weight and to know how to get the most out of a body as a whole.

That is why teams like Miami and Phoenix get credit for creating environments for players to get more fit in a healthy and sustainable way, add to that injury prevention.

JJ lost weight as soon as he went to miami and started working with different people.

IF JV drank beer and ate at McDonalds then that proves he is stupid and that the team should have sorted that **** out immediately.
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Post#185 » by RaptorsNorth » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:10 pm

I guess Casey was the one providing JV with the beer and McDonalds to bulk up.
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Re: Schultz: Raptors also shopping Jonas Valanciunas -- there is interest 

Post#186 » by Moose23 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:10 pm

RaptorsLife wrote:

Skip to 8:10 JV is in the best shape of his pro career and still slow as hell lol



what do you expect coach to say for starters.

Second, coach is right about switching onto someone like Kyrie, not many people are going to stop that, bigman or not.
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Post#187 » by MixxSRC » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:11 pm

JV can't hire a chef or nutritionist? He can't hire a personal trainer? Why is organization needs to take care of it and pay for it when he's a millionaire? :lol:
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Post#188 » by Young_Buc » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:14 pm

JV is a bigger disappointment than Bargnani to me. Bargs was never a great prospect. His rebounding and court awareness were so bad from day 1. I never saw what everyone else did.

JV is a bit of a tragic story. Rookie JV looked LEGIT. Like NBA all star legit. The fact that he became this, sucks. He was such a better prospect than Derozan and our best one since Bosh. Yet, dude was drunk going through McDonald's drive throughs. Look at how Derozan stretched his little natural talent, and look at how JV wasted his. The fact that he has fans advocating that it's everyone else's fault is particularly bothersome. JV was the man, HE ruined it.
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Post#189 » by MixxSRC » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:15 pm

Lowry had his own trainer when he was losing weight. Derozan has his own ball handling trainer. Kevin Love had his own chef when he was losing weight. Players pay out of their own pockets to go to P3 to increase their athleticism. But JV can't do it because he is a good soldier who does what he's told? Give me a break. What Miami does is great. But why can't professional athletes be professionals and take care of their bodies?
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Post#190 » by Saciid11 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:17 pm

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Saciid11 wrote: JV I said supposed to be professional athlete, he should know how to bulk up the right way while maintaining his athleticism if he had any ..


I dont think that is remotely true, alot of people dont know how to do that and wouldnt know how to start.

People study for years to learn the proper way to gain and or lose weight and to know how to get the most out of a body as a whole.

That is why teams like Miami and Phoenix get credit for creating environments for players to get more fit in a healthy and sustainable way, add to that injury prevention.

JJ lost weight as soon as he went to miami and started working with different people.

IF JV drank beer and ate at McDonalds then that proves he is stupid and that the team should have sorted that **** out immediately.


So you are blaming the team for what a grown ass adult eats on his free time ... What happened to professionalism, what happened to commitment to be best you can .

You hate Demar who fully commits himself to be best he can by training his body all year and by working on his game on the off season .. But here you defending a player who can't keep his body ready and shows zero professionalism ... To defend him you are blaming the organization.

You are hypocrite
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Post#191 » by verysalt » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:22 pm

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verysalt wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:Masai can you please trade JV already so we can shut his fans up for good ...


:lol: Not just a hater, but also a flamer :lol:

What makes you to think that being a hater is better than being a fan ?


I'm fan of Raptors and want the best for the team and if that makes me hater of JV that is fine with me ... If anything I dislike JV fans who overhype him while putting everybody on the team and organization. JV is just a player, if he panned out and put the work in, I would have been a fan..


You hated throughout the season regardless of his performance. That's not the attitude of someone who wants the best for his team. You are 100% bias and flamer, that's what you are.
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Post#192 » by Moose23 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:29 pm

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Moose23 wrote:
Saciid11 wrote: JV I said supposed to be professional athlete, he should know how to bulk up the right way while maintaining his athleticism if he had any ..


I dont think that is remotely true, alot of people dont know how to do that and wouldnt know how to start.

People study for years to learn the proper way to gain and or lose weight and to know how to get the most out of a body as a whole.

That is why teams like Miami and Phoenix get credit for creating environments for players to get more fit in a healthy and sustainable way, add to that injury prevention.

JJ lost weight as soon as he went to miami and started working with different people.

IF JV drank beer and ate at McDonalds then that proves he is stupid and that the team should have sorted that **** out immediately.


So you are blaming the team for what a grown ass adult eats on his free time ... What happened to professionalism, what happened to commitment to be best you can .

You hate Demar who fully commits himself to be best he can by training his body all year and by working on his game on the off season .. But here you defending a player who can't keep his body ready and shows zero professionalism ... To defend him you are blaming the organization.

You are hypocrite



It isnt blame on the organization if a player does not know how to properly gain or lose weight. That is why every team has trainers. Every single team.

That is why some team training staff is more valued that others is that they do a better job.

and Demar Hater is a foolish term when all someone does is point out the flaws in his game, and/or points out the flaws in other people ideas on how to better make the team that still has him on it.

Should demar be a PG?
no he shouldnt be this is why.
HATER!

And I am pretty sure that essentially every NBA player works on their games and bodies all year long, the league is the absolute pinnacle of the sport and to even be able to sniff the court at that level requires it from every single competitor.

But again, look at how someone like JJ has improved his body after joing Miami, or how Waiter has improved after joining miami, what the differnce? Miamis great nutritionist that they have on staff (Betsy Berthin), Toronto has someone that only gives some services, (Jennifer Sygo) but is not fully employed by the team like she is for the leafs.

Now it is possible that JV is more like Jared Sullinger than not but since he isnt fat, i think it is more than safe to assume that it is more a case of not knowing what to do that just being a lazy pig.

And you call me a hypocrite and a hater, but you are the one in here claiming that JV has zero professionalism, and that blame is being put on the organization in his defense etc, etc, etc, and bringing up Demar like it is the greatest rebuttal to some valid points.
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Post#193 » by Saciid11 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:29 pm

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Saciid11 wrote:
verysalt wrote:
:lol: Not just a hater, but also a flamer :lol:

What makes you to think that being a hater is better than being a fan ?


I'm fan of Raptors and want the best for the team and if that makes me hater of JV that is fine with me ... If anything I dislike JV fans who overhype him while putting everybody on the team and organization. JV is just a player, if he panned out and put the work in, I would have been a fan..


You hated throughout the season regardless of his performance. That's not the attitude of someone who wants the best for his team. You are 100% bias and flamer, that's what you are.



Should I feel good about a hyped up 5th pick having good game in every 10 games ... Anyway I wanted JV traded since his second year, because I really didnt see anything especial about him and the fact the team needed more Mobil defensive oriented big man .

Now nobody wants him, because slow big man who are limited at the offensive end are dinosaurs ..
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Post#194 » by Saciid11 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:34 pm

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Saciid11 wrote:
Moose23 wrote:
I dont think that is remotely true, alot of people dont know how to do that and wouldnt know how to start.

People study for years to learn the proper way to gain and or lose weight and to know how to get the most out of a body as a whole.

That is why teams like Miami and Phoenix get credit for creating environments for players to get more fit in a healthy and sustainable way, add to that injury prevention.

JJ lost weight as soon as he went to miami and started working with different people.

IF JV drank beer and ate at McDonalds then that proves he is stupid and that the team should have sorted that **** out immediately.


So you are blaming the team for what a grown ass adult eats on his free time ... What happened to professionalism, what happened to commitment to be best you can .

You hate Demar who fully commits himself to be best he can by training his body all year and by working on his game on the off season .. But here you defending a player who can't keep his body ready and shows zero professionalism ... To defend him you are blaming the organization.

You are hypocrite



It isnt blame on the organization if a player does not know how to properly gain or lose weight. That is why every team has trainers. Every single team.

That is why some team training staff is more valued that others is that they do a better job.

and Demar Hater is a foolish term when all someone does is point out the flaws in his game, and/or points out the flaws in other people ideas on how to better make the team that still has him on it.

Should demar be a PG?
no he shouldnt be this is why.
HATER!

And I am pretty sure that essentially every NBA player works on their games and bodies all year long, the league is the absolute pinnacle of the sport and to even be able to sniff the court at that level requires it from every single competitor.

But again, look at how someone like JJ has improved his body after joing Miami, or how Waiter has improved after joining miami, what the differnce? Miamis great nutritionist that they have on staff (Betsy Berthin), Toronto has someone that only gives some services, (Jennifer Sygo) but is not fully employed by the team like she is for the leafs.

Now it is possible that JV is more like Jared Sullinger than not but since he isnt fat, i think it is more than safe to assume that it is more a case of not knowing what to do that just being a lazy pig.

And you call me a hypocrite and a hater, but you are the one in here claiming that JV has zero professionalism, and that blame is being put on the organization in his defense etc, etc, etc, and bringing up Demar like it is the greatest rebuttal to some valid points.



JV is getting paid millions of dollars, he can hire trainer and dietitian ... Average people who make way less then JV hire trainers and dietation to improve their body and health. JV is just not committed to be professional athlete If you are going to make this lame ass excuse to defend him.

Best player in league .., Lebron .. right after he loses the championship... he goes right back to gym to get better. That is commitment and professionalism.
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Post#195 » by DonMega » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:37 pm

RaptorsNorth wrote:I guess Casey was the one providing JV with the beer and McDonalds to bulk up.


No, but he's the one not giving him any plays and hindering his development. You saw that stat recently where poeltl and siakm had the least minutes played last season out of all the rookies right? Thanks casey. Now expect the same bs with OG as casey hates young players as they always get severely punished while lowry and demar have free reign and unlimited minutes even when they blow ass.
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Post#196 » by Moose23 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:39 pm

Saciid11 wrote:
verysalt wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:
I'm fan of Raptors and want the best for the team and if that makes me hater of JV that is fine with me ... If anything I dislike JV fans who overhype him while putting everybody on the team and organization. JV is just a player, if he panned out and put the work in, I would have been a fan..


You hated throughout the season regardless of his performance. That's not the attitude of someone who wants the best for his team. You are 100% bias and flamer, that's what you are.



Should I feel good about a hyped up 5th pick having good game in every 10 games ... Anyway I wanted JV traded since his second year, because I really didnt see anything especial about him and the fact the team needed more Mobil defensive oriented big man .

Now nobody wants him, because slow big man who are limited at the offensive end are dinosaurs ..


you are correct, pace and space with a mobile center is the best formula for success.

Need a super agile center, some like WCS.

but also need a great defender on the wings and 3pt shooting from 4 of 5 positions. Most highly agile superdefensive bigs cannot shoot the three pointer so that mean we should move Demar too cause he doesnt fit the new NBA narrative.
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Post#197 » by Moose23 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:43 pm

Saciid11 wrote:

JV is getting paid millions of dollars, he can hire trainer and dietitian ... Average people who make way less then JV hire trainers and dietation to improve their body and health. JV is just not committed to be professional athlete If you are going to make this lame ass excuse to defend him.

Best player in league .., Lebron .. right after he loses the championship... he goes right back to gym to get better. That is commitment and professionalism.


He can hire one, and how do we know he hasnt hired one, and that they aren't terrible? How many NBA players have actually had to hire their own? generally, almost every single team in the NBA has one on payroll. We only have a part time consultant.

Stating he is just not committed to be a professional athlete

Stating that JV hasnt been in the gym working.


You are making too many assumptions here to actually make any reasonable debate.
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Post#198 » by ontnut » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:55 pm

Young_Buc wrote:JV is a bigger disappointment than Bargnani to me. Bargs was never a great prospect. His rebounding and court awareness were so bad from day 1. I never saw what everyone else did.

JV is a bit of a tragic story. Rookie JV looked LEGIT. Like NBA all star legit. The fact that he became this, sucks. He was such a better prospect than Derozan and our best one since Bosh. Yet, dude was drunk going through McDonald's drive throughs. Look at how Derozan stretched his little natural talent, and look at how JV wasted his. The fact that he has fans advocating that it's everyone else's fault is particularly bothersome. JV was the man, HE ruined it.

That was once. Blaming his trajectory on that one incident is a huge reach.
JV was asked to bulk up by the organization, it was botched by him and the organization both. He's not the sole blame here. All involved have blame, including him, trainers, coaches, teammates.
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Post#199 » by Jadoogar » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:59 pm

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Scott Hall wrote:Hope we don't trade him on 10 cents on the dollar...

Sucks that he wasn't traded years ago when his value was higher also really sucks that we strongly considered
drafting Kawahi but Colangelo couldn't resist his Euro fetish. I guess it could have been worse he could have drafted
Jan Vessley.


Kahwi was an unknown. He is this good because of Pop, duncan, and a plethora of Vets who gave him opportunity to grow. He would have a different career in any other city.


He always got drafted 10 spots later. Hard to blame just BC missing him.
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Post#200 » by RaptorsNorth » Tue Jul 4, 2017 6:04 pm

Does anybody even know what JV is doing now ? Is he even working out to get in shape for next season ? Or is back in his country just drinking beers with his friends.
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