Schultz: Raptors also shopping Jonas Valanciunas -- there is interest

[Raps in 4]

The guy shows up every season looking the same. I'm starting wonder if he does the same thing brags did which was nothing other photoshop pics to make himself look buff in the offseason. How are you going to blame the raptors for that. Even crippled carroll is already working out.

The organisation should have been monitoring him. He's their asset.

monitoring lol is this guy serious ? didn't the raptors hire somebody to work with him. We're they monitoring demar or norm ? Man you guys need to stop with the excuses. This guys downfall is his own fault

He's been fat for 3 seasons now. If one of your players gets fat, you correct​ it. It's called asset management, and the Raptors aren't very good at it.

Yes it's JV's fault for getting fat in the first place. But it's also the organisation's fault for not doing anything about it for 3 years. You don't let an asset go to waste like that.

[RaptorsNorth]

The organisation should have been monitoring him. He's their asset.

monitoring lol is this guy serious ? didn't the raptors hire somebody to work with him. We're they monitoring demar or norm ? Man you guys need to stop with the excuses. This guys downfall is his own fault

He's been fat for 3 seasons now. If one of your players gets fat, you correct​ it. It's called asset management, and the Raptors aren't very good at it.

Yes it's JV's fault for getting fat in the first place. But it's also the organisation's fault for not doing anything about it for 3 years. You don't let an asset go to waste like that.

Lowry took it upon himself to lose weight. JV should follow what his old teammate james johnson did.

[Saciid11]

The guy shows up every season looking the same. I'm starting wonder if he does the same thing brags did which was nothing other photoshop pics to make himself look buff in the offseason. How are you going to blame the raptors for that. Even crippled carroll is already working out.

The organisation should have been monitoring him. He's their asset.

JV is grown ass adult and this is not a kindergarten.

[TheAlchemist]

The quality of posters on this forum has gone down the toilet.

Seriously, there's no basis for half the debate on here.

Either way JV hasn't lived up to his potential. It could be based on JV's personal inadequency , it could be because of our organization. or both.

But FFS, lets discuss what the Raptors organization can do moving on from this situation, instead of focusing on pictures of the guy catching fish.

f***

[Raps in 4]

The guy shows up every season looking the same. I'm starting wonder if he does the same thing brags did which was nothing other photoshop pics to make himself look buff in the offseason. How are you going to blame the raptors for that. Even crippled carroll is already working out.

The organisation should have been monitoring him. He's their asset.

JV is grown ass adult and this is not a kindergarten.

It's a billion dollar organisation with assets worth millions of dollars. If those assets are too stupid to make the right decisions on their own, you help them out, because at the end of the day, your business is dependant on them.

[MikeM]

Organization bulked him up in the first place because they thought 1998 offence would be successful.

[PhilBlackson]

The organisation should have been monitoring him. He's their asset.

monitoring lol is this guy serious ? didn't the raptors hire somebody to work with him. We're they monitoring demar or norm ? Man you guys need to stop with the excuses. This guys downfall is his own fault

He's been fat for 3 seasons now. If one of your players gets fat, you correct​ it. It's called asset management, and the Raptors aren't very good at it.

Yes it's JV's fault for getting fat in the first place. But it's also the organisation's fault for not doing anything about it for 3 years. You don't let an asset go to waste like that.

Agreed.

He is an EMPLOYEE too btw and is paid a salary to meet some basic expectations ie/ showing up in shape. Cupcakes Felton learned that and Sullinger is learning that as we speak and we're talking about guys who struggle with weight MUCH more. JV came into the league skinny and he's carrying just extra flab right now. The amount he's carrying could easily be burnt off over the course of a summer. It's obvious his eating habits while not perfect aren't out of control either.

[RaptorsNorth]

The guy shows up every season looking the same. I'm starting wonder if he does the same thing brags did which was nothing other photoshop pics to make himself look buff in the offseason. How are you going to blame the raptors for that. Even crippled carroll is already working out.

The organisation should have been monitoring him. He's their asset.

JV is grown ass adult and this is not a kindergarten.

everybody's fault but his own.

[Saciid11]

monitoring lol is this guy serious ? didn't the raptors hire somebody to work with him. We're they monitoring demar or norm ? Man you guys need to stop with the excuses. This guys downfall is his own fault

He's been fat for 3 seasons now. If one of your players gets fat, you correct​ it. It's called asset management, and the Raptors aren't very good at it.

Yes it's JV's fault for getting fat in the first place. But it's also the organisation's fault for not doing anything about it for 3 years. You don't let an asset go to waste like that.

Lowry took it upon himself to lose weight. JV should follow what his old teammate james johnson did.

The excuses are getting more ridicules ... now they are telling us the organization should have monitored what a grown ass adult does With his free time and what he eats ...

[PhilBlackson]

The organisation should have been monitoring him. He's their asset.

JV is grown ass adult and this is not a kindergarten.

everybody's fault but his own.

Not once did anyone say it's not his fault.

But what company do you know of that doesn't hold their employee at least accountable to some very basic standards??

[Raps in 4]

He's been fat for 3 seasons now. If one of your players gets fat, you correct​ it. It's called asset management, and the Raptors aren't very good at it.

Yes it's JV's fault for getting fat in the first place. But it's also the organisation's fault for not doing anything about it for 3 years. You don't let an asset go to waste like that.

Lowry took it upon himself to lose weight. JV should follow what his old teammate james johnson did.

The excuses are getting more ridicules ... now they are telling us the organization should have monitored what a grown ass adult does With his free time and what he eats ...

Again, JV is an asset of this organisation. The organisation needs to ensure that their assets are in the best shape possible. If they fail to do that, then the loss in value is as much on them as it is on the individual player.

[Moose23]

The guy shows up every season looking the same. I'm starting wonder if he does the same thing brags did which was nothing other photoshop pics to make himself look buff in the offseason. How are you going to blame the raptors for that. Even crippled carroll is already working out.

The organisation should have been monitoring him. He's their asset.

monitoring him ? lol is this guy serious ? didn't the raptors hire somebody to work with him ? Were they monitoring demar or norm ? Man you guys need to stop with the excuses. This guys downfall is his own fault.

the raps have watched Norm and Demar, got them both shooting coaches, got JV a bigman coach, and he has show alot of improvement in the areas in which the team hired outside coaches.

[SciencePiggy]

The quality of posters on this forum has gone down the toilet.

Seriously, there's no basis for half the debate on here.

Either way JV hasn't lived up to his potential. It could be based on JV's personal inadequency , it could be because of our organization. or both.

But FFS, lets discuss what the Raptors organization can do moving on from this situation, instead of focusing on pictures of the guy catching fish.

f***

Agreed. Judging a player's off-season workout ethic, for good or for bad, based on the contents of their social media accounts is beyond stupid.

[Saciid11]

Lowry took it upon himself to lose weight. JV should follow what his old teammate james johnson did.

The excuses are getting more ridicules ... now they are telling us the organization should have monitored what a grown ass adult does With his free time and what he eats ...

Again, JV is an asset of this organisation. The organisation needs to ensure that their assets are in the best shape possible. If they fail to do that, then the loss in value is as much on them as it is on the individual player.

Again JV is adult, it's up to him if he wants to get better by being better shape and working to improve his skills. The organization can't do nothing about player who is not motivated, the best thing they can do is trade him before things get even worse ..

[Saciid11]

The quality of posters on this forum has gone down the toilet.

Seriously, there's no basis for half the debate on here.

Either way JV hasn't lived up to his potential. It could be based on JV's personal inadequency , it could be because of our organization. or both.

But FFS, lets discuss what the Raptors organization can do moving on from this situation, instead of focusing on pictures of the guy catching fish.

f***

Agreed. Judging a player's off-season workout ethic, for good or for bad, based on the contents of their social media accounts is beyond stupid.

What about result... what about coming back every season out of shape and nothing new added to your game.

[Raps in 4]

JV is grown ass adult and this is not a kindergarten.

everybody's fault but his own.

Not once did anyone say it's not his fault.

But what company do you know of that doesn't hold their employee at least accountable to some very basic standards??

This.

No company will just fire someone after investing time to train them. They will do everything possible to ensure that person succeeds. The Raptors organisation hasn't done that.

Not everyone has good work ethic. It's the job of the employer to assess their employees' weaknesses and help address them. The employer loses money when their employees perform poorly. Not doing anything about it is how you go out of business.

[SciencePiggy]

JV is grown ass adult and this is not a kindergarten.

everybody's fault but his own.

Not once did anyone say it's not his fault.

But what company do you know of that doesn't hold their employee at least accountable to some very basic standards??

Off topic but in my own biased experience ... the larger the company the more likely incompetence is able to survive.

[Moose23]

monitoring lol is this guy serious ? didn't the raptors hire somebody to work with him. We're they monitoring demar or norm ? Man you guys need to stop with the excuses. This guys downfall is his own fault

He's been fat for 3 seasons now. If one of your players gets fat, you correct​ it. It's called asset management, and the Raptors aren't very good at it.

Yes it's JV's fault for getting fat in the first place. But it's also the organisation's fault for not doing anything about it for 3 years. You don't let an asset go to waste like that.

Agreed.

He is an EMPLOYEE too btw and is paid a salary to meet some basic expectations ie/ showing up in shape. Cupcakes Felton learned that and Sullinger is learning that as we speak and we're talking about guys who struggle with weight MUCH more. JV came into the league skinny and he's carrying just extra flab right now. The amount he's carrying could easily be burnt off over the course of a summer. It's obvious his eating habits while not perfect aren't out of control either.

I dont think he is carrying much flab. You two are making it seem like he is fat, he is far from flabby or fat. He just isnt a fast enough guy to switch onto PGs out at the 3pt line, or to recover for one of our wing players out to the three pt line and then get back inside quick enough.

He was told to get stronger, he did, but he didnt get explosively stronger. He added bulky muscle, which at the time was needed with centers like Monroe, Kanter, Cousins, Howard etc banging on the inside alot. The game has changed and he will need time to change bulk muscle into leaner muscle again. If we dont trade him I would hope that he continues the improvements he made as the season went on in that area and as a result increase his trade value.

[TheAlchemist]

The excuses are getting more ridicules ... now they are telling us the organization should have monitored what a grown ass adult does With his free time and what he eats ...

Again, JV is an asset of this organisation. The organisation needs to ensure that their assets are in the best shape possible. If they fail to do that, then the loss in value is as much on them as it is on the individual player.

Again JV is adult, it's up to him if he wants to get better by being better shape and working to improve his skills. The organization can't do nothing about player who is not motivated, the best thing they can do is trade him before things get even worse ..

So exactly what is your metric, or proof, that Jonas is not Motivated?

Do you have some sort of inside information that goes beyond checking the television or the post-game shows /analysis?

What concrete evidence do you have, that shows he's specifically not motivated?

I can understand if you say he's just not that good. I can understand if you say he's not built for todays NBA. I can even understand if you say that he's incapable of creating his own shot/look.

But motivation? Why?

With all due respect, and I mean this in the sincerest way possible,

what bridge did you crawl under and out from?

[Moose23]

The excuses are getting more ridicules ... now they are telling us the organization should have monitored what a grown ass adult does With his free time and what he eats ...

Again, JV is an asset of this organisation. The organisation needs to ensure that their assets are in the best shape possible. If they fail to do that, then the loss in value is as much on them as it is on the individual player.

Again JV is adult, it's up to him if he wants to get better by being better shape and working to improve his skills. The organization can't do nothing about player who is not motivated, the best thing they can do is trade him before things get even worse ..

so if saciid was an employer he would constantly fire people for not living up to his expectation.

If you dont work through your lunch break you are fired!!!


Not how you run a business or organization mate.