Schultz: Raptors also shopping Jonas Valanciunas -- there is interest

[Saciid11]

Again, JV is an asset of this organisation. The organisation needs to ensure that their assets are in the best shape possible. If they fail to do that, then the loss in value is as much on them as it is on the individual player.

Again JV is adult, it's up to him if he wants to get better by being better shape and working to improve his skills. The organization can't do nothing about player who is not motivated, the best thing they can do is trade him before things get even worse ..

So exactly what is your metric, or proof, that Jonas is not Motivated?

Do you have some sort of inside information that goes beyond checking the television or the post-game shows /analysis.

What exactly, concrete evidence, do you have, that shows he's specifically not motivated?

I can understand if you say he's just not that good. I can understand if you say he's not built for todays NBA. I can even understand if you say that he's incapable of creating his own shot/look.

But motivation? Why?

With all due respect, and I mean this in the sincerest way possible,

what bridge did you crawl under and out from?

If he was motivated surely he would be in much better condition to start off... second how much off improvement has he made to his game in 5 years... I don't see much improvement or progress.

[Asif16]

No legit source, but someone on the main board says he has a close Toronto source and that the source told him the Raptors are discussing a Valanciunas deal with Memphis. Doesnt mean the deal will get it done, but there have been conversations

Again, obviously this is a terrible source. Lets not discuss the source, but the possibilty if for some reason it might be true.

How does Val to Memphis make sense?

[Zeno]

No legit source, but someone on the main board says he has a close Toronto source and that the source told him the Raptors are discussing a Valanciunas deal with Memphis. Doesnt mean the deal will get it done, but there have been conversations

Again, obviously this is a terrible source. Lets not discuss the source, but the possibilty if for some reason it might be true.

How does Val to Memphis make sense?

Well Raps wanted Marc Gasol forever but if it's for Gasol than Ibaka is back to the 4. I'd have no problem with that of course tho. lol.

[SciencePiggy]

The quality of posters on this forum has gone down the toilet.

Seriously, there's no basis for half the debate on here.

Either way JV hasn't lived up to his potential. It could be based on JV's personal inadequency , it could be because of our organization. or both.

But FFS, lets discuss what the Raptors organization can do moving on from this situation, instead of focusing on pictures of the guy catching fish.

f***

Agreed. Judging a player's off-season workout ethic, for good or for bad, based on the contents of their social media accounts is beyond stupid.

What about result... what about coming back every season out of shape and nothing new added to your game.

I don't hound the off-season reports near as much as some around here, but can you provide any non-fan reports of the team being unhappy with Val's shape coming into camp? This is not meant to be confrontational. Honest question.

With my (very limited) knowledge, Val works every year with the Lit. team, who may have different goals for him. For example we know (or at least was reported) that his coach at the time was upset about the Raptors decision to bulk him up. Sure I'd rather he focus on Raptor-related goals 24/7 but I'm not exactly an impartial observer. Or have an inflated set of expectations for the big lug.

[PhilBlackson]

No legit source, but someone on the main board says he has a close Toronto source and that the source told him the Raptors are discussing a Valanciunas deal with Memphis. Doesnt mean the deal will get it done, but there have been conversations

Again, obviously this is a terrible source. Lets not discuss the source, but the possibilty if for some reason it might be true.

How does Val to Memphis make sense?

Perhaps Masai is trying to "swing for the fences" with a JV + Corey+ pick(s) to MEM for Marc Gasol.

They are long overdue to tank and when Gasol was FA we were rumored to love him. His 3pt shooting and passing would be greatly welcomed here.

[Saciid11]

Again, JV is an asset of this organisation. The organisation needs to ensure that their assets are in the best shape possible. If they fail to do that, then the loss in value is as much on them as it is on the individual player.

Again JV is adult, it's up to him if he wants to get better by being better shape and working to improve his skills. The organization can't do nothing about player who is not motivated, the best thing they can do is trade him before things get even worse ..

so if saciid was an employer he would constantly fire people for not living up to his expectation.

If you dont work through your lunch break you are fired!!!


Not how you run a business or organization mate.

Why are you comparing millioner athlete whose only job is keep his body in the best shape for 8 to 15 years to ordinary people who bust their ass everyday to put food on table and who fired for less. JV is paid millions to stay shape and he can hire professionals to help him stay in shape. Stop making excuses for him.

If Kanter can get ripped in offseason why can't JV ..

[Zeno]

No legit source, but someone on the main board says he has a close Toronto source and that the source told him the Raptors are discussing a Valanciunas deal with Memphis. Doesnt mean the deal will get it done, but there have been conversations

Again, obviously this is a terrible source. Lets not discuss the source, but the possibilty if for some reason it might be true.

How does Val to Memphis make sense?

Perhaps Masai is trying to "swing for the fences" with a JV + Corey+ pick(s) to MEM for Marc Gasol.

They are long overdue to tank and when Gasol was FA we were rumored to love him. His 3pt shooting and passing would be greatly welcomed here.

It would be a real dream acquisition because we wouldn't be trying to out Golden State the Warriors. Though he would help with 3point shooting too.

[Saciid11]

No legit source, but someone on the main board says he has a close Toronto source and that the source told him the Raptors are discussing a Valanciunas deal with Memphis. Doesnt mean the deal will get it done, but there have been conversations

Again, obviously this is a terrible source. Lets not discuss the source, but the possibilty if for some reason it might be true.

How does Val to Memphis make sense?

If not Gasol ... then I would hope we get Sign trade J Green, Tony Allan +fillers ...

[Moose23]

Again JV is adult, it's up to him if he wants to get better by being better shape and working to improve his skills. The organization can't do nothing about player who is not motivated, the best thing they can do is trade him before things get even worse ..

so if saciid was an employer he would constantly fire people for not living up to his expectation.

If you dont work through your lunch break you are fired!!!


Not how you run a business or organization mate.

Why are you comparing millioner athlete whose only job is keep his body in the best shape for 8 to 15 years to ordinary people who bust their ass everyday to put food on table and who fired for less. JV is paid millions to stay shape and he can hire professionals to help him stay in shape. Stop making excuses for him.

If Kanter can get ripped in offseason why can't JV ..

Well, first off, not all bodies can get "riped" as some lack the basic genetics to be able to have the same level of toning without a ridiculous amount of effort, clean eating and in some cases, doses of insulin to tighten the skin(looking at you Frank Columbo)

Secondly, JV is in shape, problem is he built muscle for pushing and holding people, which worked very well a couple years ago when there were more big bodied, slower footed centers in the league. Now most of those centers are gone and he needs to beginning the process of re-leaning out his muscles, but unfortunately that is a slow process. By seasons end there was a noticeable difference in his foot speed on pick and roll defense, so if he can continue down that path he will be fine....whether it is on this team or another....

[PhilBlackson]

Again JV is adult, it's up to him if he wants to get better by being better shape and working to improve his skills. The organization can't do nothing about player who is not motivated, the best thing they can do is trade him before things get even worse ..

so if saciid was an employer he would constantly fire people for not living up to his expectation.

If you dont work through your lunch break you are fired!!!


Not how you run a business or organization mate.

Why are you comparing millioner athlete whose only job is keep his body in the best shape for 8 to 15 years to ordinary people who bust their ass everyday to put food on table and who fired for less. JV is paid millions to stay shape and he can hire professionals to help him stay in shape. Stop making excuses for him.

If Kanter can get ripped in offseason why can't JV ..

When will you get it through your head that NO ONE is making "excuses" for him?! Stop repeating it like a parrot when everyone has already acknowledged end of day that YES it is JV's responsibility to take care of his OWN body.

But referencing the dollar figure makes no difference. If a millionaire stock broker all of sudden doesn't work on his sales skills etc and the brokerage starts seeing things decline they don't sit back and say "well he is a millionaire, he can fix this on his own". They reinforce their STANDARDS and do what they can to get him back because they know he obviously has some level of potential and it would be a total waste of THEIR money to just sit idly by as he squanders his talents. Pretty simple concept to understand.

[Raps in 4]

Again JV is adult, it's up to him if he wants to get better by being better shape and working to improve his skills. The organization can't do nothing about player who is not motivated, the best thing they can do is trade him before things get even worse ..

so if saciid was an employer he would constantly fire people for not living up to his expectation.

If you dont work through your lunch break you are fired!!!


Not how you run a business or organization mate.

Why are you comparing millioner athlete whose only job is keep his body in the best shape for 8 to 15 years to ordinary people who bust their ass everyday to put food on table and who fired for less. JV is paid millions to stay shape and he can hire professionals to help him stay in shape. Stop making excuses for him.

If Kanter can get ripped in offseason why can't JV ..

Because motivational issues have nothing to do with money. If someone is lazy, they're lazy regardless of how much money they make (in fact, they will probably be even lazier the richer they are).

[Saciid11]

No legit source, but someone on the main board says he has a close Toronto source and that the source told him the Raptors are discussing a Valanciunas deal with Memphis. Doesnt mean the deal will get it done, but there have been conversations

Again, obviously this is a terrible source. Lets not discuss the source, but the possibilty if for some reason it might be true.

How does Val to Memphis make sense?

Perhaps Masai is trying to "swing for the fences" with a JV + Corey+ pick(s) to MEM for Marc Gasol.

They are long overdue to tank and when Gasol was FA we were rumored to love him. His 3pt shooting and passing would be greatly welcomed here.

It would be a real dream acquisition because we wouldn't be trying to out Golden State the Warriors. Though he would help with 3point shooting too.

Our defense in the paint with Gasol and Ibaka would be insane, but our ball movement and playmaking would improve too..

[Raps in 4]

No legit source, but someone on the main board says he has a close Toronto source and that the source told him the Raptors are discussing a Valanciunas deal with Memphis. Doesnt mean the deal will get it done, but there have been conversations

Again, obviously this is a terrible source. Lets not discuss the source, but the possibilty if for some reason it might be true.

How does Val to Memphis make sense?

Perhaps Masai is trying to "swing for the fences" with a JV + Corey+ pick(s) to MEM for Marc Gasol.

They are long overdue to tank and when Gasol was FA we were rumored to love him. His 3pt shooting and passing would be greatly welcomed here.

They just signed Conley to a $150 million contract. I don't think tanking is on their mind.

[Syd-TK3]

No legit source, but someone on the main board says he has a close Toronto source and that the source told him the Raptors are discussing a Valanciunas deal with Memphis. Doesnt mean the deal will get it done, but there have been conversations

Again, obviously this is a terrible source. Lets not discuss the source, but the possibilty if for some reason it might be true.

How does Val to Memphis make sense?

If not Gasol ... then I would hope we get Sign trade J Green, Tony Allan +fillers ...

How many centers does Memphis have would they even have room for JV?

I'd love if we could get J.Green though don't think tony Allen really fits

[Saciid11]

No legit source, but someone on the main board says he has a close Toronto source and that the source told him the Raptors are discussing a Valanciunas deal with Memphis. Doesnt mean the deal will get it done, but there have been conversations

Again, obviously this is a terrible source. Lets not discuss the source, but the possibilty if for some reason it might be true.

How does Val to Memphis make sense?

Perhaps Masai is trying to "swing for the fences" with a JV + Corey+ pick(s) to MEM for Marc Gasol.

They are long overdue to tank and when Gasol was FA we were rumored to love him. His 3pt shooting and passing would be greatly welcomed here.

They just signed Conley to a $150 million contract. I don't think tanking is on their mind.

With the roster they have, they will be fighting for that 8 spot at best .. but will most likely finish 9th or 10th .. So I can see why they would opt to get some value for Gasol and tank next season to rebuild..

[Saciid11]

No legit source, but someone on the main board says he has a close Toronto source and that the source told him the Raptors are discussing a Valanciunas deal with Memphis. Doesnt mean the deal will get it done, but there have been conversations

Again, obviously this is a terrible source. Lets not discuss the source, but the possibilty if for some reason it might be true.

How does Val to Memphis make sense?

If not Gasol ... then I would hope we get Sign trade J Green, Tony Allan +fillers ...

How many centers does Memphis have would they even have room for JV?

I'd love if we could get J.Green though don't think tony Allen really fits

I just checked both J green and Allan are free agent .. so most likely the trade is for Gasol who would be excellent fit with the raps ..

[PhilBlackson]

No legit source, but someone on the main board says he has a close Toronto source and that the source told him the Raptors are discussing a Valanciunas deal with Memphis. Doesnt mean the deal will get it done, but there have been conversations

Again, obviously this is a terrible source. Lets not discuss the source, but the possibilty if for some reason it might be true.

How does Val to Memphis make sense?

Perhaps Masai is trying to "swing for the fences" with a JV + Corey+ pick(s) to MEM for Marc Gasol.

They are long overdue to tank and when Gasol was FA we were rumored to love him. His 3pt shooting and passing would be greatly welcomed here.

They just signed Conley to a $150 million contract. I don't think tanking is on their mind.

That's asset retention. You don't let a player walk for nothing. It doesn't mean anything is 100%.

ie/ we signed DeMar last year and if Lowry and Ibaka decided otherwise he would have likely been shipped

[Asif16]

Marc Gasol would be a lethal fit here in toronto. IF Masai can pull it off...

[dukes_wild]

Marc Gasol would be a lethal fit here in toronto. IF Masai can pull it off...

I agree and disagree.

It would force Ibaka to play at PF full-time which I'm just not sure he can anymore. Also, a Gasol/Ibaka front-court would get killed on the glass.

But still, a Lowry/DeRozan/Carroll/Ibaka/Gasol would be the perfect fit around DeRozan, 4 guys that can defend and shoot 3s. I know Carroll's 3 and D have regressed but he's still a threat from 3 regardless and let's all be honest he's still an average defender

[Pooh_Jeter]

Put your pants back on guys, Memphis isn't trading Gasol away for JV and filler. Conley just signed a huge deal and Parsons is still there at big money. If they felt they needed to deal Gasol in order to consolidate some assets we would have our offer beaten by a number of teams.