2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[Rainyy]

Like Prok said there's really no costs to us offering (insofar as we actually want Porter). In the small chance he signs, great. If not, we forced a competitor to have less funds for players.

I personally think it's good to punish teams for matching contracts because the more other GMs see the struggles of teams like Portland and Miami, the less likely they are to match in the future.

[vincecarter4pres]

Well, can you really blame Hayward?

Idk about you guys, but I love all the player movement, free agency has come a long way ever since Shaq switched coasts.

I don't think anyone blames him really, but to stall just so that he could get his fluff piece online is a POS move. I really don't think anyone in Utah will feel better because of some BS letter.

Idk that he stalled at all. And he wanted his letter to the fans coming out before it was leaked he signed, someone in Boston **** him.

[moonpie]

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[Prokorov]

Would be jacked if a olynk 4/40 deal goes down.. would be a cheap contract for a 26 year old 2 way stretch player and also mean we are out on porter.

come on marks!

[Mkdaman1818]

Something to keep in mind...

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[Keith Van Horn]

If we can wind up with Porter and Olynyk in the end of all of this, then I don't care about anything else.

[DarkXaero]

Just idea of knowing how cheap Jamychal Green is what throwing me off on this max deal we are about to offer Otto. He is definitely a useful player to build around but, I think everyone agrees that he is a too expensive for his asking price.

13M for green isnt cheap. he is a 27 year old who is average on both ends.

He's an above average defender who can shoot 3s, posted a 60% TS%, a decent rebounder, and has improved each season in the NBA despite his age. There's no reason to believe why he can't continue to improve here under Kenny Atkinson. JaMychal Green was a highly rated recruit out of HS who ended up having a mediocre college career, went undrafted, and found his way into the NBA through a lot of hard work. He fits the hard working, high character culture of this team, and his skillset is perfectly suited to modern NBA.

[Prokorov]

If we can wind up with Porter and Olynyk in the end of all of this, then I don't care about anything else.

would require a sign and trade for porter...

porters max is 26.25M

even if he signed for peanuts olynk gets 8-10 million

we have 31.8M in cap space.


rhj and hamilton for porter, then sign olynk

Lin | Russell | Levert | Porter | Olynk

thats crazy shooting in that lineup

[Prokorov]

Just idea of knowing how cheap Jamychal Green is what throwing me off on this max deal we are about to offer Otto. He is definitely a useful player to build around but, I think everyone agrees that he is a too expensive for his asking price.

13M for green isnt cheap. he is a 27 year old who is average on both ends.

He's an above average defender who can shoot 3s, posted a 60% TS%, a decent rebounder, and has improved each season in the NBA despite his age. There's no reason to believe why he can't continue to improve here under Kenny Atkinson. JaMychal Green was a highly rated recruit out of HS who ended up having a mediocre college career, went undrafted, and found his way into the NBA through a lot of hard work. He fits the hard working, high character culture of this team, and his skillset is perfectly suited to modern NBA.

So he underachieved in college and went from trash to mediocure in 4 or 5 years in the NBA. and thats worth 13 million why?

60TS% is great if you actually shoot the ball. he takes 6 shots a game... a few layups and a couple open threes. his defense is solid. he doesnt really contribute much on offense.

id be upset with anything over 10 million. and i woudnt love it at 10 million. id rather try and get a younger version of him out of the dleague for the minimum.

[DarkXaero]

Well, can you really blame Hayward?

Idk about you guys, but I love all the player movement, free agency has come a long way ever since Shaq switched coasts.

I don't blame Hayward for moving, I just hate that it's to the Celtics. I also feel sorry for Jazz fans/organization who finally found their way back to respectability after the Deron/Sloan era, only to have their star player leave in FA.

[Prokorov]

Well, can you really blame Hayward?

Idk about you guys, but I love all the player movement, free agency has come a long way ever since Shaq switched coasts.

I don't blame Hayward for moving, I just hate that it's to the Celtics. I also feel sorry for Jazz fans/organization who finally found their way back to respectability after the Deron/Sloan era, only to have their star player leave in FA.

well hopefully we can benefit from the move and add olynk or pick up smart or rozier on the cheap.

[Ror1997]

Apparently Smart is the most likely to be moved from Boston. I don't see the fit here. I'd pass.

[Prokorov]

Apparently Smart is the most likely to be moved from Boston. I don't see the fit here. I'd pass.

disagree. smart embodies "brooklyn grit" and can gaurd 4 positions... 1 through 4. he rebounds, he gets out in transition. would love him here.

[bucketz]

Well, can you really blame Hayward?

Idk about you guys, but I love all the player movement, free agency has come a long way ever since Shaq switched coasts.

I don't blame Hayward for moving, I just hate that it's to the Celtics. I also feel sorry for Jazz fans/organization who finally found their way back to respectability after the Deron/Sloan era, only to have their star player leave in FA.

well hopefully we can benefit from the move and add olynk or pick up smart or rozier on the cheap.

I've read some stuff about Rozier having open affiliation with gangs. I don't know about yall but I don't want that fool anywhere near this team.

[13th Man]

If we can wind up with Porter and Olynyk in the end of all of this, then I don't care about anything else.

would require a sign and trade for porter...

porters max is 26.25M

even if he signed for peanuts olynk gets 8-10 million

we have 31.8M in cap space.


rhj and hamilton for porter, then sign olynk

Lin | Russell | Levert | Porter | Olynk

thats crazy shooting in that lineup

I would literally have a wet dream if this came to fruition.

[DarkXaero]

13M for green isnt cheap. he is a 27 year old who is average on both ends.

He's an above average defender who can shoot 3s, posted a 60% TS%, a decent rebounder, and has improved each season in the NBA despite his age. There's no reason to believe why he can't continue to improve here under Kenny Atkinson. JaMychal Green was a highly rated recruit out of HS who ended up having a mediocre college career, went undrafted, and found his way into the NBA through a lot of hard work. He fits the hard working, high character culture of this team, and his skillset is perfectly suited to modern NBA.

So he underachieved in college and went from trash to mediocure in 4 or 5 years in the NBA. and thats worth 13 million why?

60TS% is great if you actually shoot the ball. he takes 6 shots a game... a few layups and a couple open threes. his defense is solid. he doesnt really contribute much on offense.

id be upset with anything over 10 million. and i woudnt love it at 10 million. id rather try and get a younger version of him out of the dleague for the minimum.

The point in talking about his journey was to show how far he has come, an indication of his work ethic and character. He doesn't take many shots a game because he's a role player in a slow paced team. Not to mention, Fizdale admitted to holding him back a bit:

“JaMychal’s growth and development as a player has been huge for us,” Fizdale told The Vertical. “I’ve actually held JaMychal back a little bit, because I feel he has some ability to score more. Finding him some touches can be tough because of all the options we have, but he’s been invaluable.

“His ability to make open threes, defend multiple positions, loyal, being tough. He’s diligent about being in shape and working on his game, a fantastic complement to our group.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/inside-jamychal-greens-journey-from-basketball-vagabond-to-memphis-grizzlies-starter-160447391.html

He's worth it because stretch 4s are of high value in this league now, it has almost become an essential. To have a combination of 3pt shot, efficient offense, solid defense, rebounding from the 4 is highly valuable now. Good luck trying to find that in the D-league, most of the bigs there can't shoot at all.

[Prokorov]

He's an above average defender who can shoot 3s, posted a 60% TS%, a decent rebounder, and has improved each season in the NBA despite his age. There's no reason to believe why he can't continue to improve here under Kenny Atkinson. JaMychal Green was a highly rated recruit out of HS who ended up having a mediocre college career, went undrafted, and found his way into the NBA through a lot of hard work. He fits the hard working, high character culture of this team, and his skillset is perfectly suited to modern NBA.

So he underachieved in college and went from trash to mediocure in 4 or 5 years in the NBA. and thats worth 13 million why?

60TS% is great if you actually shoot the ball. he takes 6 shots a game... a few layups and a couple open threes. his defense is solid. he doesnt really contribute much on offense.

id be upset with anything over 10 million. and i woudnt love it at 10 million. id rather try and get a younger version of him out of the dleague for the minimum.

The point in talking about his journey was to show how far he has come, an indication of his work ethic and character. He doesn't take many shots a game because he's a role player in a slow paced team. Not to mention, Fizdale admitted to holding him back a bit:

“JaMychal’s growth and development as a player has been huge for us,” Fizdale told The Vertical. “I’ve actually held JaMychal back a little bit, because I feel he has some ability to score more. Finding him some touches can be tough because of all the options we have, but he’s been invaluable.

“His ability to make open threes, defend multiple positions, loyal, being tough. He’s diligent about being in shape and working on his game, a fantastic complement to our group.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/inside-jamychal-greens-journey-from-basketball-vagabond-to-memphis-grizzlies-starter-160447391.html

He's worth it because stretch 4s are of high value in this league now, it has almost become an essential. To have a combination of 3pt shot, efficient offense, solid defense, rebounding from the 4 is highly valuable now. Good luck trying to find that in the D-league, most of the bigs there can't shoot at all.

we already have a stretch 4 on the team making league minimum (acy). why pay green 13M to do sligthly more then what acy does?

and its not tough to find something similar to green. he is a low level role player. it would be by far the worst move marks has made giving greent hat kind of money. thats like billy king when he gave wallace 4/40.

im also not paying a premium for him as a "stretch 4" when its the first year he shot well from 3 and it was on low volume.

give that money to olynk

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[DeRoma]

He's an above average defender who can shoot 3s, posted a 60% TS%, a decent rebounder, and has improved each season in the NBA despite his age. There's no reason to believe why he can't continue to improve here under Kenny Atkinson. JaMychal Green was a highly rated recruit out of HS who ended up having a mediocre college career, went undrafted, and found his way into the NBA through a lot of hard work. He fits the hard working, high character culture of this team, and his skillset is perfectly suited to modern NBA.

So he underachieved in college and went from trash to mediocure in 4 or 5 years in the NBA. and thats worth 13 million why?

60TS% is great if you actually shoot the ball. he takes 6 shots a game... a few layups and a couple open threes. his defense is solid. he doesnt really contribute much on offense.

id be upset with anything over 10 million. and i woudnt love it at 10 million. id rather try and get a younger version of him out of the dleague for the minimum.

The point in talking about his journey was to show how far he has come, an indication of his work ethic and character. He doesn't take many shots a game because he's a role player in a slow paced team. Not to mention, Fizdale admitted to holding him back a bit:

“JaMychal’s growth and development as a player has been huge for us,” Fizdale told The Vertical. “I’ve actually held JaMychal back a little bit, because I feel he has some ability to score more. Finding him some touches can be tough because of all the options we have, but he’s been invaluable.

“His ability to make open threes, defend multiple positions, loyal, being tough. He’s diligent about being in shape and working on his game, a fantastic complement to our group.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/inside-jamychal-greens-journey-from-basketball-vagabond-to-memphis-grizzlies-starter-160447391.html

He's worth it because stretch 4s are of high value in this league now, it has almost become an essential. To have a combination of 3pt shot, efficient offense, solid defense, rebounding from the 4 is highly valuable now. Good luck trying to find that in the D-league, most of the bigs there can't shoot at all.

Dude there is no point in talking to him. His limit is up to reading advance metrics that he doesn't have a clue on understanding holistically. Let him just do his thing.

[Prokorov]

So he underachieved in college and went from trash to mediocure in 4 or 5 years in the NBA. and thats worth 13 million why?

60TS% is great if you actually shoot the ball. he takes 6 shots a game... a few layups and a couple open threes. his defense is solid. he doesnt really contribute much on offense.

id be upset with anything over 10 million. and i woudnt love it at 10 million. id rather try and get a younger version of him out of the dleague for the minimum.

The point in talking about his journey was to show how far he has come, an indication of his work ethic and character. He doesn't take many shots a game because he's a role player in a slow paced team. Not to mention, Fizdale admitted to holding him back a bit:

“JaMychal’s growth and development as a player has been huge for us,” Fizdale told The Vertical. “I’ve actually held JaMychal back a little bit, because I feel he has some ability to score more. Finding him some touches can be tough because of all the options we have, but he’s been invaluable.

“His ability to make open threes, defend multiple positions, loyal, being tough. He’s diligent about being in shape and working on his game, a fantastic complement to our group.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/inside-jamychal-greens-journey-from-basketball-vagabond-to-memphis-grizzlies-starter-160447391.html

He's worth it because stretch 4s are of high value in this league now, it has almost become an essential. To have a combination of 3pt shot, efficient offense, solid defense, rebounding from the 4 is highly valuable now. Good luck trying to find that in the D-league, most of the bigs there can't shoot at all.

Dude there is no point in talking to him. His limit is up to reading advance metrics that he doesn't have a clue on understanding holistically. Let him just do his thing.

better then your limit of being like "hey i saw this guy on youtube. ZOMG lets sign him!"