2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[Paradise]

Sham Bomb!

Nets sign Porter


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[DarkXaero]

Otto signed our offer sheet at 4/104

Here we go...

[Prokorov]

Boom

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[Ror1997]

THE NETS DID A THING

[Prokorov]

So... i believe that removes sign and trade possibilities now that it is officially signed

[Mkdaman1818]

Correction - it's 106m

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[Mkdaman1818]

So... i believe that removes sign and trade possibilities now that it is officially signed

It does just say we've agreed, not sure it's been signed yet. Maybe the Wiz see that we've agreed and now they may entertain a deal?

[624]

If this happens, this lineup has crazy length and potential.



Russell (21, 6'10 wingspan)

LeVert (22, 6'10 wingspan)

Porter (24, 7'1 wingspan)

RHJ (22, 7'1 wingspan)

Allen (19, 7'6 wingspan)


That would be such a fun modern team to watch.

[antique0o0]

Wizards probably won't match. Such a contract might cause them some locker room issues.

I have to say Wizards have an eye for sf talent.

[Prokorov]

in case anyone is wondering... here is our available cap space/cap situation if the wizards didnt match



if we waived goodwin and acy we could ovver someone a 10-11 million per year deal, same if we could dump hamilton on someone.

[624]

Washington has to match though so let's not get excited. This could be good though, either we get Porter or we don't overspend on someone else. And another RFA chose us

[kamaze]

Whitehead-Smart would be a hell of a defensive duo.


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He's not a good enough perimeter threat imo. The team wants shooters.

We're also looking to develop and his D would work well with Russell. You can worry about shooting later considering we do have Harris.


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I disagree the players they brought on to summer league are all shooters; even the point guards Jeremy Singlen and Milton Doyle. The free agents they brought back so far also. (Kilpatrick and Harris)

[DarkXaero]

we already have a stretch 4 on the team making league minimum (acy). why pay green 13M to do sligthly more then what acy does?

and its not tough to find something similar to green. he is a low level role player. it would be by far the worst move marks has made giving greent hat kind of money. thats like billy king when he gave wallace 4/40

I knew you were going to bring up the Quincy Acy comparison. Acy isn't a good defender or rebounder. I don't know about you but those are significant things to overlook right there. Acy's 3pt shooting was impressive but on a sample size of 32 games. I refuse to believe that Acy can shoot over 40% from 3pt over a full season. Even during those 32 games, his 3pt shooting began to drop in the final stretch of those games. In the final stretch of the season, he shot less than 30% from 3pt.

So Green can shoot. He literally does every other thing worse than RHJ who is getting $4M over the next 2 years instead of $26M. You wanna pay a guy $22M more over two years so he can make 3 of his 6 shots a game instead of the 2 RHJ would hit if he took 6 shots? Even though he is worse in every other way?

What are you talking about? Green has a TS% of 60.1%, RHJ has a TS% of 51.7%. That's a significant difference. Being able to space out the floor at the 4, especially in Kenny's system, is a significant difference. Besides, we don't know RHJ's best position because of his undeveloped skillset on offense. Long-term, he might be a 4, 3 or even a 2, who knows. And I'm not opposed to RHJ being here at all, I think the best fit for him might be as the sixth man who can play minutes at both PF & SF. If RHJ could develop into a decent 3pt shooter, that would be the greatest thing for us. But with his shooting mechanics, it seems unlikely and because of that, his ability to be a full-time starter is questionable. Not to mention, he's undersized with his height and frame for PF.

[Prokorov]

If this happens, this lineup has crazy length and potential.



Russell (21, 6'10 wingspan)

LeVert (22, 6'10 wingspan)

Porter (24, 7'1 wingspan)

RHJ (22, 7'1 wingspan)

Allen (19, 7'6 wingspan)


That would be such a fun modern team to watch.

yup... and super athletic 2 through 5. 2 snipers from three.... and levert can potentially be a good three point shooter.

if we waive goodwin/acy we could offer olynk 3/33

Russell (21) | Levert (22) | RHJ (22) | Porter (24) | Olynk (26)

thats a nice young core. then we still have Lin to mentor and lead us for a year or two and allen contributing in a year or two

[Prokorov]

I knew you were going to bring up the Quincy Acy comparison. Acy isn't a good defender or rebounder. I don't know about you but those are significant things to overlook right there. Acy's 3pt shooting was impressive but on a sample size of 32 games. I refuse to believe that Acy can shoot over 40% from 3pt over a full season. Even during those 32 games, his 3pt shooting began to drop in the final stretch of those games. In the final stretch of the season, he shot less than 30% from 3pt.

So Green can shoot. He literally does every other thing worse than RHJ who is getting $4M over the next 2 years instead of $26M. You wanna pay a guy $22M more over two years so he can make 3 of his 6 shots a game instead of the 2 RHJ would hit if he took 6 shots? Even though he is worse in every other way?

What are you talking about? Green has a TS% of 60.1%, RHJ has a TS% of 51.7%. That's a significant difference. Being able to space out the floor at the 4, especially in Kenny's system, is a significant difference. Besides, we don't know RHJ's best position because of his undeveloped skillset on offense. Long-term, he might be a 4, 3 or even a 2, who knows. And I'm not opposed to RHJ being here at all, I think the best fit for him might be as the sixth man who can play minutes at both PF & SF. If RHJ could develop into a decent 3pt shooter, that would be the greatest thing for us. But with his shooting mechanics, it seems unlikely and because of that, his ability to be a full-time starter is questionable. Not to mention, he's undersized with his height and frame for PF.

other then shooting threes, RHJ is better at everything. and being 5 years younger, has plenty of time to try and develop a shot. offensively overall he is better... better getting to the rim, better passer, better in transition.

[DeRoma]

better then your limit of being like "hey i saw this guy on youtube. ZOMG lets sign him!"

LOL I gave you shot chart stats. and Shown you team stats that justify's his lack of attempt. I give you eye ball and statistics that are actually backs up my claim. Yet what you do is completely ignore it. I'll post it for the third time. Please respond to me

Yeah I'm a huge advocate on statistics myself. But not the advance metrics the general public generally uses. They are just ratings for normal fans to show a general definition of what the general idea of what impact they do towards team's scheme. Not saying they aren't useful, because they are but only for a certain degree and has to be used correctly. For example, you consider Lin to be a good player for what he is worth. The reason why Lin is really good because he was given a great opportunity for him to have the space to perform on what he does best which is to break down the defense and finish. If you put Lin with players that doesn't mesh well with him do you honestly believe he can keep up a descent FG% all around? No way and i'd bet money on that. Then how would you rate Lin when his TS% diminish since he gets exposed that he can't shoot? Do you understand what I mean on how statistics can really be misleading?

You say that the fact that Green does not take that many shot tells you that he only takes high percentage looks. Then you made a statement that he only takes less than 2 shot behind the arc. But what you are forgetting is that Memphis runs the slowest pace in the game with one of the lowest offensive rating, lowest FGA% in the league. According to:
http://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/#!?sort=PACE&dir=-1&CF=MIN*GE*15
So what that tells you is Memphis scheme does not run many system plays but runs a lot of offensive sets. They will tend to play half court. Meaning that Green's 50FG% is pretty impressive that he got those point in more impactful situations. System offense like our motion offense is actually much easier to see what the true value of the player is capable off because it's not about making decision, it's about rhythm scoring. Which is what is teachable in the NBA.

Let's direct this even more by watching both trevor and jamychal's good games.

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What you will notice is that Jamychal will always make a quick decisions once he is handed the ball. Meaning that he would fit right in to our offense and will most likely flourish given the volume of opportunities he will have in our offense. You also will notice he shoots the ball a lot more than Trevor and has much more different variety of moves. What this tells me is he is being held back on memphis offense which and shows that he doesn't completely fit their system. Which you can conclude the reason why they are not giving him more than 13 mill a game.

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Look at how much Booker lacks in comparison to Jamychal. Look at how unorthodox the way he scores the ball and how much lacks so much basketball skills.

Lets take a look at the shot charts to see if those shots were just lucky?
Jamychal:
http://vorped.com/1-nba/2015-2016/player/6552/jamychal-green/shotchart/

Trevor:
http://vorped.com/1-nba/2015-2016/player/1172/trevor-booker/shotchart/

Even in the shot charts Jamychal shows how much more capable he is than Trevor. It shows that his shots were no fluke given the volume he took in comparison to Booker. In this conclusion, Jamychal shows that he is a lot more superior than what Trevor Booker does for us. So what if you give Jamychal a system offense with a lot more volume of shots? I would say he would flourish in our system given how much penetrator our team has and space that will be given to him. Do I think he is worth 13 mill most definitely. With the variety of ways he can score. There is no doubt he is already better than Booker. And with less experience in the NBA. So from the way I see it he has much more potential on what he can do if he is given a better system surrounding his skill set and mentality.

See this is how I believe Stats is suppose to be use rather than the general idea.

you gave no stats. you gave irrelevant shot charts and youtube videos. who doesnt look good in their youtune highlights.

green isnt replacement level talent, but he is barely above that. he certainly isnt better then booker overall as a player and as a stretch 4 he is barely better then acy who is a minimum salary guy.

Green is a sucker move. let someone else sign guys like green and jonathan simmons and watch them be bench level players on huge deals for someone else

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Is it really that hard to click on all the URL that explains everything? Or is it something you don't get? I showed you a youtube video to see the huge difference in skill set between the two. I picked both of those videos because they had an equivalent productivity points wise. If you don't believe in watching them play or skill set? Then why even bother being so opinionated? Honestly, If you don't think it's even a factor. Then why even bother watching sports? Isn't it best to for you to do advance statistics maybe on psychological experiments. Maybe look for standard deviations on how things work?

Do you not understand team pace? FGA per game? That affect on player productivity? I mean it's really simple.

What's really weird is you want Olynyk a player very similar to a player like Brook Lopez who you hated so much and pushed for a trade for years. Like you say so many contradicting things I don't even know why I should respond.

[624]

If this happens, this lineup has crazy length and potential.



Russell (21, 6'10 wingspan)

LeVert (22, 6'10 wingspan)

Porter (24, 7'1 wingspan)

RHJ (22, 7'1 wingspan)

Allen (19, 7'6 wingspan)


That would be such a fun modern team to watch.

yup... and super athletic 2 through 5. 2 snipers from three.... and levert can potentially be a good three point shooter.

if we waive goodwin/acy we could offer olynk 3/33

Russell (21) | Levert (22) | RHJ (22) | Porter (24) | Olynk (26)

thats a nice young core. then we still have Lin to mentor and lead us for a year or two and allen contributing in a year or two

Olynk isn't the kind of center to start with that team...we need a rim protector and someone who can rebound. Olynk is softer than Lopez on the glass

[kamaze]

in case anyone is wondering... here is our available cap space/cap situation if the wizards didnt match



if we waived goodwin and acy we could ovver someone a 10-11 million per year deal, same if we could dump hamilton on someone.

They should bring Acy back he brings everything they want from a player and he comes cheap.

[moonpie]

Expecting the Wizards to match, but would be a really intriguing piece to add

[DarkXaero]

So Green can shoot. He literally does every other thing worse than RHJ who is getting $4M over the next 2 years instead of $26M. You wanna pay a guy $22M more over two years so he can make 3 of his 6 shots a game instead of the 2 RHJ would hit if he took 6 shots? Even though he is worse in every other way?

What are you talking about? Green has a TS% of 60.1%, RHJ has a TS% of 51.7%. That's a significant difference. Being able to space out the floor at the 4, especially in Kenny's system, is a significant difference. Besides, we don't know RHJ's best position because of his undeveloped skillset on offense. Long-term, he might be a 4, 3 or even a 2, who knows. And I'm not opposed to RHJ being here at all, I think the best fit for him might be as the sixth man who can play minutes at both PF & SF. If RHJ could develop into a decent 3pt shooter, that would be the greatest thing for us. But with his shooting mechanics, it seems unlikely and because of that, his ability to be a full-time starter is questionable. Not to mention, he's undersized with his height and frame for PF.

other then shooting threes, RHJ is better at everything. and being 5 years younger, has plenty of time to try and develop a shot. offensively overall he is better... better getting to the rim, better passer, better in transition.

And you believe RHJ might be worth $20 million on open market, I'm not sure what your point is. I'm not even trying to compare the two, I think they can both coexist effectively in the same team. All of this doesn't matter anyway if Wizards don't match our offer for Otto Porter.