2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[MrDollarBills]

I'm annoyed by this signing.

I don't know why we are wasting our time signing RFA we know will be matched. What's the point?

We are losing out on other Free Agents who we would have the cap space to sign.

Are we just doing this to screw over other teams from competing with us in the future?

to call the wizards bluff id assume.

Who exactly are we losing out on? there isnt much out there on the FA market other then RFAs. you have okynk, mirotic, ilyasova. not much for UFAs. those guys will all be there on the 8th anyhow. teams have used their cap up. those guys will all be waiting on us

we haven't missed out on anything.

Let the Clippers pay Danilo Gallinari 22 million a season. see how far that gets them.

[MrDollarBills]

I basically said in here the process your FO was going to undertake, it seemed like despite the obvious a lot of people around here still were focused on a fast (short sighted) rebuild that was never gonna happen. I must say I like what your FO is doing and you seem to be in real good hands.

I really haven't seen anyone on here talking about a fast rebuild.

Go back thru the old threads, plenty of short cut artists. With all this money being thrown around several posters didn't see the value in taking back contracts. Well the money has dried up.

Outside of the ridiculous stuff about signing Danilo Gallinari or taking back LaMarcus Aldridge in a salary dump I haven't seen it.

[Papi_swav]

Green is complete trash. a dleague who works hard. you say olynk has good guys backing him up in boston? green plays with a former DPOTY and is surrounded by all-nba type defenders (Conley, Allen, Gasol).

Ulynk isnt as good as lopez but he also is 26 and makes 1/3 to 1/2 what brook does. he is a better rebounder and defender then lopez and stretch the floor as a 5 man just as well.

Olynk is much better then Green. it isnt even debateable.

people are just blinded by their celtics hate

No your just blinded by your Celtics love and man crushes. Green is not complete trash, he fits any team that he is on. How do you explain a 60 TS%? is that trash to you? Fizdale even stated that he held him back from taking shots which is your biggest argument, "he didn't take enough shots", he skill set is perfect for us I believe and most teams for that matter. He can guard multiple positions, Olynk can barely hold the 5, unless theres a mismatch, so how is he a 2 way player? Green is much better defending the pick n roll then your boy Olynk. Green is also a better rebounder than him. I'm not the one saying Olynk is trash, I would welcome him on a reasonable deal but you got too much hate in your blood for certain people and it's showing.

60 TS% is the product of super low volume and only taking wide open shots or layups. its good dont get me wrong but when you look at his usage and PER you can see why its high. Fizdake holding him back protected his percenages.

Olynk can gaurd multiple spots. 4 and 5. and he is a 2 way player because he is a solid defender at the 5 and good at the 4. Green doesnt defend the pick and roll, he isnt a center and doesnt gaurd them. olynk is solid in that regard.

Olynk does everything better offensively. and more valuable offensively cause he can stretch the floor as a 5. Olynk with starter minutes could explode in kennys system. super skilled offensively, super high bbiq

"Only taking wide open shots and layups", but isn't that what a 4th or 5th option in the rotation suppose to do? And he did it damn well obviously which means he doesn't need the ball to score and won't put up bad shots.

Olynk cannot guard the 4, not today, he will get killed , he is super slow to guard the 4, a guy like RHJ will expose him in that regard and he's not even a great offensive player.

So you're saying 4s don't come out on pick and rolls? So centers is the only ones that sets pick n rolls now? And Green played small ball 5 at times, you would know that if you actually watched the games.

We would have to set up Olynk to get shots off, we wouldn't have to do that with Green. I'm not opposed of getting Olynk but he is not a star. You always saying whats the point of paying Green if he won't make us better than a 30 win team? So I guess you think Olynk will automatically make us a playoff team

[vincecarter4pres]

We can all give our preferred plan B if porter is matched but i mean.... its a lock we max KCP if porter is matched

I wouldn't be so sure and it's not just because I personally hate the idea. You max KCP and you take away a lot of flexibility to absorb salary.

And I wouldn't be shocked to see them go after THJ on a much more reasonable deal instead anyway.

Maybe they don't even max KCP, they offer him 4/80-85. I don't know they value KCP like they did Porter, even with the reality of Porter being off the table and possibly they figure, we'll take KCP at 4/85, but not a dime more and if they match, yet another cap we've clogged and if they let him walk, this is who we wanted at the price we wanted him at?

There's always next summer to max Norman Powell...

[vincecarter4pres]

I really haven't seen anyone on here talking about a fast rebuild.

Go back thru the old threads, plenty of short cut artists. With all this money being thrown around several posters didn't see the value in taking back contracts. Well the money has dried up.

Outside of the ridiculous stuff about signing Danilo Gallinari or taking back LaMarcus Aldridge in a salary dump I haven't seen it.

Long live LMA.

[Netaman]

It's all a slow build. They got TJ and Crabbe paid last year, which everyone noticed. What's more is those guys (and presumably their agents) believed in the direction this team is going. This year it's we actually had a good UFA consider us and now got a max player to choose to sign here over other options. You can bet players and agents see this franchise a lot differently than they did 15 months ago.

[kamaze]

I see you Marks clever Trevor with a finger on the lever.
Cap out everyone! then scoop up anyone he wants. Slow and steady rebuild.

it gets greater later

[DarkXaero]

Read on Twitter

Well if they are matching, hopefully they do it early rather than wait till last hour of the 48 hours.

They have no reason to do Nets any favors.

Marks had to take gamble though.

Sure they do, its important for organizations to have a good relationship with each other, especially if they want us to be a willing partner for another one of their bad contracts in the future.

[DarkXaero]

agree to disagree. he is solid in the pick and roll. its one of the things i like about him. and he is tough inside. mixes it up all the time.

Yea I really dont get Prok most of the times, he bashes Lopez but wants Olynk so bad. Olynk is not a 2 way player not matter how you try to persuade everybody, he just isn't Prok. He will get exposed here, he had such a great defense backing him up in Foston and he won't have that here. He is not that great in the pick n roll like you claim, he is very slow, not Brook slow but slow enough for offenders to blow by him. I wouldn't be mad signing him, depending how much, but you just have crushes on certain players that I don't get and it's annoying because you think it's facts when it your opinion. I would much rather Green than Olynk 100%, he is a 2 way player.

Green is complete trash. a dleague who works hard. you say olynk has good guys backing him up in boston? green plays with a former DPOTY and is surrounded by all-nba type defenders (Conley, Allen, Gasol).

Ulynk isnt as good as lopez but he also is 26 and makes 1/3 to 1/2 what brook does. he is a better rebounder and defender then lopez and stretch the floor as a 5 man just as well.

Olynk is much better then Green. it isnt even debateable.

people are just blinded by their celtics hate

Well at least its pretty clear now that you're blinded by hate/agenda here.

[Prokorov]

"Only taking wide open shots and layups", but isn't that what a 4th or 5th option in the rotation suppose to do? And he did it damn well obviously which means he doesn't need the ball to score and won't put up bad shots.

There is nothing wrong with it... the point was that he isnt some sniper or super efficient scorer. he just doesnt have usage and scores on garbage points. Olynk is much better and skilled offensively. with and without the ball

Olynk cannot guard the 4, not today, he will get killed , he is super slow to guard the 4, a guy like RHJ will expose him in that regard and he's not even a great offensive player.

He is not super slow. he has decent lateral movement and his super high iq helps him get in good position. he didnt get exposed last year and spent plenty of time at the 4. is he a great offensive player? no... but he is a good one with very good potential and a legit stretch 5 who can pass and put it on the floor.

We would have to set up Olynk to get shots off, we wouldn't have to do that with Green. I'm not opposed of getting Olynk but he is not a star. You always saying whats the point of paying Green if he won't make us better than a 30 win team? So I guess you think Olynk will automatically make us a playoff team

when did i say any of that? I think olynk makes us better. and at 26 has alot of ceiling left. of course we dont need to create shots for green because he isnt an option on offense. create shots for olynk is a good thing. he is a terror on pick and pops since he can shoot an if your big runs at him he can put it on the floor.

[DarkXaero]

I really haven't seen anyone on here talking about a fast rebuild.

Go back thru the old threads, plenty of short cut artists. With all this money being thrown around several posters didn't see the value in taking back contracts. Well the money has dried up.

Outside of the ridiculous stuff about signing Danilo Gallinari or taking back LaMarcus Aldridge in a salary dump I haven't seen it.

Nothing ridiculous about it, signing Gallinari on a 2 year deal would have been great, offer comparable to the contract he got. Ultimately, we've made a max offer to Otto Porter which is much worse than signing Gallinari to a 2-year deal, unless Porter suddenly becomes an all star.

[Prokorov]

We can all give our preferred plan B if porter is matched but i mean.... its a lock we max KCP if porter is matched

I wouldn't be so sure and it's not just because I personally hate the idea. You max KCP and you take away a lot of flexibility to absorb salary.

And I wouldn't be shocked to see them go after THJ on a much more reasonable deal instead anyway.

Maybe they don't even max KCP, they offer him 4/80-85. I don't know they value KCP like they did Porter, even with the reality of Porter being off the table and possibly they figure, we'll take KCP at 4/85, but not a dime more and if they match, yet another cap we've clogged and if they let him walk, this is who we wanted at the price we wanted him at?

There's always next summer to max Norman Powell...

i think you make the max offer to KCP because they would be in a bind and would need to clear cap to match. accoring to pistons fans, there is no obvious move to do that.

i cant imagine they lke porter but not KCP. all year we heard how the nets would go after those two as RFAs

[pickIBL]

Go back thru the old threads, plenty of short cut artists. With all this money being thrown around several posters didn't see the value in taking back contracts. Well the money has dried up.

Outside of the ridiculous stuff about signing Danilo Gallinari or taking back LaMarcus Aldridge in a salary dump I haven't seen it.

Nothing ridiculous about it, signing Gallinari on a 2 year deal would have been great, offer comparable to the contract he got. Ultimately, we've made a max offer to Otto Porter which is much worse than signing Gallinari to a 2-year deal, unless Porter suddenly becomes an all star.

The max offer was to make sure Washington paid full price.

[Prokorov]

I see you Marks clever Trevor with a finger on the lever.
Cap out everyone! then scoop up anyone he wants. Slow and steady rebuild.

it gets greater later

i see alot of this with marks "capping everyone out"

Portland was already in the tax when we signed crabbe to an offer sheet.

miami wasnt over the cap or even close to over the cap.

The wizards are already right at the cap.

the pistons are already in the tax.

we are yet to sign an offersheet to an RFA whose team is well under the cap, where matching eats that space and puts them over.

[mademan]

For that same amount of money, KCP/Olynyk would be a much better coup

[DarkXaero]

Olynk has basically been the same player since his rookie season statistically. Actually his rebounding and FT shooting have gone down since rookie year but his overall efficiency has increased due to playing in a better team. Yet somehow at the age of 26, he has a "lot of ceiling" left

The same advanced stats that prokorov loves to use in his arguments, actually paint JaMychal Green comfortably as a better defender than Olynyk. But here we have prokorov downplaying Green's defensive abilities, yet praising Olynyk's defense highly.

[DarkXaero]

Outside of the ridiculous stuff about signing Danilo Gallinari or taking back LaMarcus Aldridge in a salary dump I haven't seen it.

Nothing ridiculous about it, signing Gallinari on a 2 year deal would have been great, offer comparable to the contract he got. Ultimately, we've made a max offer to Otto Porter which is much worse than signing Gallinari to a 2-year deal, unless Porter suddenly becomes an all star.

The max offer was to make sure Washington paid full price.

That's nonsense, if we didn't offer him a max, Sacramento did and he would have accepted that instead. Sacramento moved on to other deals today because he accepted our max offer over their max offer. Marks' primary reason to make a max offer for Otto Porter is to have a chance to sign him, not to make sure that Wizards are capped out.

[vincecarter4pres]

We can all give our preferred plan B if porter is matched but i mean.... its a lock we max KCP if porter is matched

I wouldn't be so sure and it's not just because I personally hate the idea. You max KCP and you take away a lot of flexibility to absorb salary.

And I wouldn't be shocked to see them go after THJ on a much more reasonable deal instead anyway.

Maybe they don't even max KCP, they offer him 4/80-85. I don't know they value KCP like they did Porter, even with the reality of Porter being off the table and possibly they figure, we'll take KCP at 4/85, but not a dime more and if they match, yet another cap we've clogged and if they let him walk, this is who we wanted at the price we wanted him at?

There's always next summer to max Norman Powell...

i think you make the max offer to KCP because they would be in a bind and would need to clear cap to match. accoring to pistons fans, there is no obvious move to do that.

i cant imagine they lke porter but not KCP. all year we heard how the nets would go after those two as RFAs

I truly hate a max offer on KCP and dread the Pistons letting him walk. He's just not very good.

He is so inefficient, not more than an adequate shooter from deep, average finisher, mediocre shooter from anywhere besides 3, doesn't get to the line, for such a supposed high flyer has only 19 dunks on the year, not a great playmaker, low PER and pretty much every other advanced and raw counting stat, poor rebounder and he actually regressed this year.

What exactly is there to like? His good but not great defense? His freakish ability to drink and drive? Bleck...

[pickIBL]

Nothing ridiculous about it, signing Gallinari on a 2 year deal would have been great, offer comparable to the contract he got. Ultimately, we've made a max offer to Otto Porter which is much worse than signing Gallinari to a 2-year deal, unless Porter suddenly becomes an all star.

The max offer was to make sure Washington paid full price.

That's nonsense, if we didn't offer him a max, Sacramento did and he would have accepted that instead. Sacramento moved on to other deals today because he accepted our max offer over their max offer. Marks' primary reason to make a max offer for Otto Porter is to have a chance to sign him, not to make sure that Wizards are capped out.

sac moved on before the nets offer. a pilot posted on twitter that lindsey also met with porter. The nets thing just happened.

[kamaze]

I see you Marks clever Trevor with a finger on the lever.
Cap out everyone! then scoop up anyone he wants. Slow and steady rebuild.

it gets greater later

i see alot of this with marks "capping everyone out"

Portland was already in the tax when we signed crabbe to an offer sheet.

miami wasnt over the cap or even close to over the cap.

The wizards are already right at the cap.

the pistons are already in the tax.

we are yet to sign an offersheet to an RFA whose team is well under the cap, where matching eats that space and puts them over.

And? signing players to the max hurts their wallet even more. Portland regrets the situation they're in with so many large salaries.
Same with Miami remember they wanted TJ to sign a contract more team friendly for them?

Detroit and D.C. are this year's victims.