Who to trade to clear cap space if we get GH?

[Kolkmania]

Can i make a list real quick.

Spoiler:

Contract numbers are via Smitty's cap sheets.

1. Hayward 29.727.900
2. Horford 27.734.405
3. Bradley 8.808.989
4. Crowder 6.796.117
5. Thomas 6.261.395
6. Tatum 5.645.400
7. Brown 4.956.480
8. Smart 4.538.020
9. Rozier 1.988.520
10. Zizic 1.645.200
11. Theis 815.615
12. Roster charge 815.615
    
    Total w/o Hayward: 70.005.756
    Total w Hayward: 99.733.656
    
    Salary cap 2017: 99.093.000

That are my numbers if we wave & renounce Mickey, Young, Green, Jerebko, Olynyk, Amir, Zeller and stash Yabusele.

Now we trade one player no matter what, that would create another roster charge at $815.615. And send out Jackson + cash to buy out his guaranteed contract ($650.000).

Wouldn't it be enough to just trade Rozier for a future 2nd rounder? So our payroll would go to $98.560.751?

We could keep our entire core minus Rozier and Olynyk. Or am i wrong with my math? Capologists can you confirm or deny my math please.

I think this is correct, trading both Rozier and Jackson could get it done. The question is what the consequences are long term, with IT + Bradley + Smart on the roster next season, you're going to lose relatively big value and the team still lacks depth at the frontcourt.

I think Bradley is the odd man out, makes next offseason a bit more easier with only IT and Smart as free agents and the return could be a valuable big guy.

[Drax]

Can i make a list real quick.

Spoiler:

Contract numbers are via Smitty's cap sheets.

1. Hayward 29.727.900
2. Horford 27.734.405
3. Bradley 8.808.989
4. Crowder 6.796.117
5. Thomas 6.261.395
6. Tatum 5.645.400
7. Brown 4.956.480
8. Smart 4.538.020
9. Rozier 1.988.520
10. Zizic 1.645.200
11. Theis 815.615
12. Roster charge 815.615
    
    Total w/o Hayward: 70.005.756
    Total w Hayward: 99.733.656
    
    Salary cap 2017: 99.093.000

That are my numbers if we wave & renounce Mickey, Young, Green, Jerebko, Olynyk, Amir, Zeller and stash Yabusele.

Now we trade one player no matter what, that would create another roster charge at $815.615. And send out Jackson + cash to buy out his guaranteed contract ($650.000).

Wouldn't it be enough to just trade Rozier for a future 2nd rounder? So our payroll would go to $98.560.751?

We could keep our entire core minus Rozier and Olynyk. Or am i wrong with my math? Capologists can you confirm or deny my math please.

I think this is correct, trading both Rozier and Jackson could get it done. The question is what the consequences are long term, with IT + Bradley + Smart on the roster next season, you're going to lose relatively big value and the team still lacks depth at the frontcourt.

I think Bradley is the odd man out, makes next offseason a bit more easier with only IT and Smart as free agents and the return could be a valuable big guy.

That's the thing i firmly belive that the market for big time conracts is done, capspace is rare again and people don't want to spend long term contracts for roleplayers. That's where the Celtics can benefit with the bird rights of those guys. We can hand them the max amount with better raises but can look what offers they get. For example Bradley hopes for $20+ million anually, but only gets offered $15ish on the open market, we could match that and say look you get better raises with us plus a familiar system.

We get them for under market value compared to the last two years, if we decide to keep em all. Book it.

[Kolkmania]

Can i make a list real quick.

Spoiler:

Contract numbers are via Smitty's cap sheets.

1. Hayward 29.727.900
2. Horford 27.734.405
3. Bradley 8.808.989
4. Crowder 6.796.117
5. Thomas 6.261.395
6. Tatum 5.645.400
7. Brown 4.956.480
8. Smart 4.538.020
9. Rozier 1.988.520
10. Zizic 1.645.200
11. Theis 815.615
12. Roster charge 815.615
    
    Total w/o Hayward: 70.005.756
    Total w Hayward: 99.733.656
    
    Salary cap 2017: 99.093.000

That are my numbers if we wave & renounce Mickey, Young, Green, Jerebko, Olynyk, Amir, Zeller and stash Yabusele.

Now we trade one player no matter what, that would create another roster charge at $815.615. And send out Jackson + cash to buy out his guaranteed contract ($650.000).

Wouldn't it be enough to just trade Rozier for a future 2nd rounder? So our payroll would go to $98.560.751?

We could keep our entire core minus Rozier and Olynyk. Or am i wrong with my math? Capologists can you confirm or deny my math please.

I think this is correct, trading both Rozier and Jackson could get it done. The question is what the consequences are long term, with IT + Bradley + Smart on the roster next season, you're going to lose relatively big value and the team still lacks depth at the frontcourt.

I think Bradley is the odd man out, makes next offseason a bit more easier with only IT and Smart as free agents and the return could be a valuable big guy.

That's the thing i firmly belive that the market for big time conracts is done, capspace is rare again and people don't want to spend long term contracts for roleplayers. That's where the Celtics can benefit with the bird rights of those guys. We can hand them the max amount with better raises but can look what offers they get. For example Bradley hopes for $20+ million anually, but only gets offered $15ish on the open market, we could match that and say look you get better raises with us plus a familiar system.

We get them for under market value compared to the last two years, if we decide to keep em all. Book it.

Could be the case, we already see guys signing for cheap deals on the 4th day like Patrick Patterson. That said, in the best case IT, Bradley and Smart will get something like 25, 15 and 12 million dollars. That's 110+ million dollars for 5 players with Horford and Hayward, can't see that happening.

[LongTimeFan]

We trade Bradley for seventy five cents on the dollar.

It is in Bradley's long term interest. When the time comes, we cannot pay him what he's worth. This gives him, a chance to move into another organization and get his fair pay day. (Over the long term, players admire an organization that puts their players' interests on par with the team's interests.)

We clear the cap space from a very crowded position.

Hayward more than compensates for the loss of Bradley.

They'll be a lot of takers for Bradley at a bargain.

Bradley is a great player, a great Celtic and I am going to miss him.

[KevinGamble34]

I said Smart based on the assumption we lose one of IT/Bradley/Smart. Of course it depends on what is being offered.

[claycarver]

Say we move Smart and Crowder some time this year (they don't both need to be traded right now, Crowder could be moved at the trade deadline when Tatum is ready for more minutes). Where do we end up tax wise if we re-sign Avery to about 20mil and IT to the full max in the '18 season? Assume we also pick up a couple of $4 to $5 million contracts next off season at the top of the draft . '18 is the only year we'll need to consider in terms of the tax hit because after that, Horford comes off the books (I presume he opts out of his last year). Horford, Hayward, IT, and Avery would all slide off at the perfect time to pay Jaylen, Tatum, and the next 2 high lottery picks, so it looks to me like we're just considering '18 as a tax burden in this scenerio.

This year, the core of the team settles out and gets comfortable. I fully expect that '18 is when we'll see all the player development and secondary moves it takes to be a contender.

[Wilfried]

Don't think, if you don't have a real center at your roster, you can start thinking of moving crowder. He can play the 4, who else?

You're going to battle LeBron and Love with Tatum at 4?

[DK-All Day]

I think Smart or Bradley are the odd man out.

[cl2117]

Trade Bradley. He's definitely going to get overpaid next summer and there is no way we retain him.

Same might be said for Smart, but I think Hayward replicates what Bradley did and then some, Smart makes those hustle plays that really on he does. Smart also might be more of a bargain if we did ever try and re-sign him because he can't shoot like Bradley.

Trade Bradley for a mediocre PF and a future pick or swap.

Roll out:
IT/Rozier
Smart/Brown
Hayward/Tatum
Crowder/mediocre PF/Theis
Horford/Zizic

You fill the 4 minutes with Hayward, Crowder, Tatum, Brown, Horford, the German Theis and whomever else you can scrape together.

[hookshot199]

Bradley for Richaun Holmes and a Philly 1st?

Gets us a big, a pick, and clears some space.

Start IT, Jaylen, Hayward, Crowder, Al
Bench mob of smart, Terry, Tatum, zizic, some rebounder

I'm a big Bradley fan. But why shouldn't Philly wait until June 2018 to try to sign him without giving anything in exchange? We're not contending this year - for a 6-8 seed at best. I would look to a team like who needs to win now. Bradley's worth a 10-20 pick to a contender. The problem is that most contenders are already maxed.

[sam_I_am]

We trade Bradley for seventy five cents on the dollar.

It is in Bradley's long term interest. When the time comes, we cannot pay him what he's worth. This gives him, a chance to move into another organization and get his fair pay day. (Over the long term, players admire an organization that puts their players' interests on par with the team's interests.)

We clear the cap space from a very crowded position.

Hayward more than compensates for the loss of Bradley.

They'll be a lot of takers for Bradley at a bargain.

Bradley is a great player, a great Celtic and I am going to miss him.

I think you are right about this. Marcus is more versatile and may have more upside and may cost less to keep in free agency. Jae is getting most votes to be traded and looking at roster I can see why. But his contract makes him the only one of 3 likely to last past this season. Unless we get more bigs, we also need him the most at the 4.

We may trade Jae but it's going to cost 150 cents on the dollar.

[31to6]

lol I voted Jae and Terry and then +1'd everyone who posted that it should be AB.

Any truth to the rumor that part of our pitch to GH was that we had a follow-up trade for a real big in place? If so I can see AB+Jae+other going out. I'm hoping Trader Danny can pull something out of his hat here.

Love and respect AB. Continually weirded out that his advanced metrics (defensively and overall +/-) are so meh. Unless he confirms that he wants to stay in BOS long-term on a significant discount I think he has to be the primary piece moving out.

[galipeautim]

Terry by himself does not make it work out cap wise. I see no reason to part with Crowder and his bargain contract unless it is a mega-deal. I'm slightly leaning toward trading Bradley over Smart if only because I don't 100% trust Rozier running the second unit by himself and Smart is our only guard other than IT who is a primary ball handler.

[galipeautim]

Terry by himself does not make it work out cap wise. I see no reason to part with Crowder and his bargain contract unless it is a mega-deal. I'm slightly leaning toward trading Bradley over Smart if only because I don't 100% trust Rozier running the second unit by himself and Smart is our only guard other than IT who is a primary ball handler.

Also, trading Bradley over Smart gives us some more wiggle room to fill out the rest of our roster since his contract is for more $$. For instance, we could then sign Yabs and hold onto Jackson and Mickey.

[TheOGJabroni]

I actually love everything that Jae is about but he’s just not as talented as Bradley or Smart and because he has a valuable contract and because we have so much depth at that position, I would love to be able to move him for some actual value, a front court player on a rookie scale deal.

Obviously the swing for the fences guy is Porzingis but I think the ship has sailed (doubt it was ever a real possibility anyway). On the same team, I’ve mentioned O’Quinn as a decent, albeit not overly exciting move.

I’ve seen a few people mentioned a S&T with Memphis for Green; not sure how likely or doable that is financially speaking.

I do believe we can count on Ainge/Zarren to get creative with this though. I love what we’ve been able to do so far this offseason but I cringe at the thought that we’re actually even smaller than last year. We need a rebounder pretty bad.

[TheOGJabroni]

Crowder for Holmes straight up?

[Homerclease]

Crowder for Holmes straight up?

Done

[165bows]

Favors is the guy that makes the most sense to target but it's weird to figure out the value because of, well, you know...the whole Hayward thing.

[Curmudgeon]

Bradley needs to go. They can't really afford to pay both him and Isaiah Thomas next year. Having said that, Crowder will likely be the one to go because he is so valuable given his below-market contract.

[theman]

The question is whether the team is looking to win this season. If so, hold onto Bradley. His defense is needed in the playoffs.

If business and building for the future is important then trade Bradley as he like is gone after this season.

How much more money needs to be cleared?

Because there is another option. The Celtics could combine Crowder and Bradley and bring in a player making less.


How about Bradley and Crowder to Denver for Kenneth Faried? This move frees up about 3 million and fills a need a PF. Is 3 million enough?