Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central 3.0

[KingDavid]

It's much easier to trade for Chris Paul, PG, Jimmy Butler, or Demarcus Cousins.

Usually that involves draft picks or talented young players, and we don't have what those teams want. We rarely have draft picks, and when we do, they usually aren't great picks. We need to stop giving our picks away and try to draft a young stud or two. The problem is that Pat Riley's timeline doesn't match our current needs. He doesn't want to hear about 3 to 4 years out, let alone 5 or 6 years.

PG, Cousins, and Butler were basically given away for scraps though.

Scraps that we don't have.

We don't have a young rising talent like LaVine.

We don't have firsts to surrender for Cousins.

PG is one year rental. We have nothing that would entice Indy to want to trade with a rival over other teams.

[islandHEAT]

All this tank talk for high draft picks.

The Heat FO is good at many things, drafting an 18 year old after watching him play 10 -20 games is not one of them. Other than DWade name some lotto picks that have had a significant impact on the team?

We have an obvious talent for developing players and we have received the benefits of that strategy in recent years. With the new 2 way contracts we can expand on that.

Also take a look at the league, almost all teams are going to be capped out in the upcoming years and some teams are going to get tired of losing while paying these hefty tax bills. There will be many trades forthcoming, this will be our strength.

Look at Philly, sucked for years and now loaded with young talent. Honestly, I doubt they get out of the 1st round.

[KingDavid]

All this tank talk for high draft picks.

The Heat FO is good at many things, drafting an 18 year old after watching him play 10 -20 games is not one of them. Other than DWade name some lotto picks that have had a significant impact on the team?

We have an obvious talent for developing players and we have received the benefits of that strategy in recent years. With the new 2 way contracts we can expand on that.

Also take a look at the league, almost all teams are going to be capped out in the upcoming years and some teams are going to get tired of losing while paying these hefty tax bills. There will be many trades forthcoming, this will be our strength.

Look at Philly, sucked for years and now loaded with young talent. Honestly, I doubt they get out of the 1st round.

I think making the playoffs healthy is Philly's goal. At that point they'll know what veteran pieces need to be added in order to improve their positioning in the next season.

[SCHeat]

All this tank talk for high draft picks.

The Heat FO is good at many things, drafting an 18 year old after watching him play 10 -20 games is not one of them. Other than DWade name some lotto picks that have had a significant impact on the team?

We have an obvious talent for developing players and we have received the benefits of that strategy in recent years. With the new 2 way contracts we can expand on that.

Also take a look at the league, almost all teams are going to be capped out in the upcoming years and some teams are going to get tired of losing while paying these hefty tax bills. There will be many trades forthcoming, this will be our strength.

Look at Philly, sucked for years and now loaded with young talent. Honestly, I doubt they get out of the 1st round.

We have only had a handful of lottery picks though.

2002 #10 - Caron Butler, good player we used to swing for Shaq
2003 #5 - Wade
2008 #2 - Beasley, been rehashed 1000 times
2015 #10 - Winslow, only played one year but did help us in the playoffs in 2016
2017 #14 - Bam. TBD

That's 2/4 at worst with Beasley being the only true bust.

[batterybro42]

Zaslow this morning on 790 said that if we don't lock up Waiters and JJ today, that we should brace ourselves.

At 31 years old if James Johnson wants to ride so be it. His appeal to me is his loyalty and team spirit, without that I can certainly pass. He leaves here last season will be remembered as his best by far. We will find somebody who fits his mold (there are plenty of big SFs without a true fit, Beasley comes to mind). JJ ain't going to be with us when it matters, and if he is he will be 33-34

With what we did with JJ last year, I would really like to see what we can do with Tyreke Evans in that 2nd unit spot. He's been hurt, but he's flashed an improved 3pt shot during his time on the court

Something like TJ, Elington, Evans, Winslow, and Bam could be an exciting 2nd unit to role out.

Beasley isn't the playmaker or even a quarter of the defender that JJ is.

Let. Him. Die. Already.

Well the pleasing things is he costs less than a quarter of the money. For what JJ will comand at 31 we can probably sign Beasley, Evans, and maybe Ilysova(spelling).

Completely fine with him getting paid market value to be here, love his attitude and work ethic. But if there is going to be drama or we need to suddenly be in some bidding war to retain him, the money could be put to better use.

[islandHEAT]

All this tank talk for high draft picks.

The Heat FO is good at many things, drafting an 18 year old after watching him play 10 -20 games is not one of them. Other than DWade name some lotto picks that have had a significant impact on the team?

We have an obvious talent for developing players and we have received the benefits of that strategy in recent years. With the new 2 way contracts we can expand on that.

Also take a look at the league, almost all teams are going to be capped out in the upcoming years and some teams are going to get tired of losing while paying these hefty tax bills. There will be many trades forthcoming, this will be our strength.

Look at Philly, sucked for years and now loaded with young talent. Honestly, I doubt they get out of the 1st round.

We have only had a handful of lottery picks though.

2002 #10 - Caron Butler, good player we used to swing for Shaq
2003 #5 - Wade
2008 #2 - Beasley, been rehashed 1000 times
2015 #10 - Winslow, only played one year but did help us in the playoffs in 2016
2017 #14 - Bam. TBD

That's 2/4 at worst with Beasley being the only true bust.

I agree, not a complete disaster when you look at who we drafted. The story get considerably worse when you look at whom we missed out on.

[HeatFanLifer]

I'm curious if Spo ends up making players play above their projected ceiling like he did with McGruder, Reed, Babbit, Waiters, and JJ last season. If the Heat re-sign all those players (yes even Babbit) and Winslow or Jrich or both rise above their projected ceiling, then this team is going to be fun to watch.

[contract]

It's much easier to trade for Chris Paul, PG, Jimmy Butler, or Demarcus Cousins.

Usually that involves draft picks or talented young players, and we don't have what those teams want. We rarely have draft picks, and when we do, they usually aren't great picks. We need to stop giving our picks away and try to draft a young stud or two. The problem is that Pat Riley's timeline doesn't match our current needs. He doesn't want to hear about 3 to 4 years out, let alone 5 or 6 years.

PG, Cousins, and Butler were basically given away for scraps though.

But they were young scraps, and assumed to be talented.

[twix2500]

I am over the we should of tank last season, because I do believe we have a player in Bam that is a better prospect than 5 of the top 10 players that were drafted. At this point we have 2 options as far as planning for the future. 1. Sign JJ and Waiters along with another project veteran and try to make a run in the playoffs to entice a disgruntle player to want to be traded to the Heat. 2. Go the same route as last year, sign again 1 year prove it contracts with the thought of giving big minutes to Bam and Winslow for development and get lucky again with free agent who turn his career around like Waiters and JJ.

[contract]

Look at Philly, sucked for years and now loaded with young talent. Honestly, I doubt they get out of the 1st round.

They have some young talent, but half of them are unproven, and the other half can't stay healthy.

[Heat_Fan_87]

for a draft rebuild you need picks and a front office that knows college talent, i don't think we have either.

[HeatFanLifer]

for a draft rebuild you need picks and a front office that knows college talent, i don't think we have either.

Let's see how J-Rich, Winslow, and Bam do this season.

[Seabass777]

LeBron will be turning 34 years old next December. Melo to be 35 January of 2019. Wade will be 37. Why in the **** do any of you want those old men?

Lebron is ageless to be honest KD. But there's no harm in experimenting with them on a 1-2 year deals.

What else can we do to build a team that beats or comes close to beating the Warriors?

Lebron with prime Irving and prime Love couldn't even reach the shore against the Warriors, but you think really old Wade and old Melo will be able to even get that done? "Ageless lebron" isnt good enough to win one fair game against the Warriors.

No one signs one year deals at that age unless they're retiring. Especially Wade.

Prime Kevin love? Oh you mean the same prime Kevin Love that averaged 16 points a game in the Finals, yeah I know that prime Kevin Love very well.

Whiteside
Melo
Lebron
Wade
Paul

I just believe that team challenges the Warriors in a 7 game series. It's a pipe dream that I'll cling on to for this season. I see Bannna boats in the future.

There no other disgruntled stars in the trade market left that we have a chance at getting that'll move the needle for us.

If you can name 3 realistic guys in the trade market that we have a chance at getting I'll let this dream die, but for now I'll hold unto this pipe dream.

[Mos_Heat]

Lebron is ageless to be honest KD. But there's no harm in experimenting with them on a 1-2 year deals.

What else can we do to build a team that beats or comes close to beating the Warriors?

Lebron with prime Irving and prime Love couldn't even reach the shore against the Warriors, but you think really old Wade and old Melo will be able to even get that done? "Ageless lebron" isnt good enough to win one fair game against the Warriors.

No one signs one year deals at that age unless they're retiring. Especially Wade.

Prime Kevin love? Oh you mean the same prime Kevin Love that averaged 16 points a game in the Finals, yeah I know that prime Kevin Love very well.

Whiteside
Melo
Lebron
Wade
Paul

I just believe that team challenges the Warriors in a 7 game series. It's a pipe dream that I'll cling on to for this season. I see Bannna boats in the future.

There no other disgruntled stars in the trade market left that we have a chance at getting that'll move the needle for us.

If you can name 3 realistic guys in the trade market that we have a chance at getting I'll let this dream die, but for now I'll hold unto this pipe dream.

Prime Kevin Love is a better player than current Melo and Wade, tho.

This team would die in transition in the 2nd quarter

[MettaWorldPanda]

Imagine if we would have just taken care of JJ and Dion right from the get go. Probably would have had both for way below market prices. We got played once again by a high end free agent who used us as nothing more then leverage. In the process we alienated Dion and now JJ's agent is trying to get him to the Jazz as some sort of a favor for losing Hayward. This whole scenario seems so phucked. I pleaded to just take care of JJ and Dion from the get go. I knew we had no shot at Hayward considering that Boston with Stevens had strong ties to Hayward. In any other circumstance I would have said no problem sure. Bringing half the team to recruit Hayward was also an immense slap in the face to Dion cause everyone knew it was going to come at his expense. We preach loyalty and culture but this was a step in the wrong direction if you ask me. I'm going to be salty as phuck if we miss out on either Dion or JJ.

[Heat_Fan_87]

Imagine if we would have just taken care of JJ and Dion right from the get go. Probably would have had both for way below market prices. We got played once again by a high end free agent who used us as nothing more then leverage. In the process we alienated Dion and now JJ's agent is trying to get him to the Jazz as some sort of a favor for losing Hayward. This whole scenario seems so phucked. I pleaded to just take care of JJ and Dion from the get go. I knew we had no shot at Hayward considering that Boston with Stevens had strong ties to Hayward. In any other circumstance I would have said no problem sure. Bringing half the team to recruit Hayward was also an immense slap in the face to Dion cause everyone knew it was going to come at his expense. We preach loyalty and culture but this was a step in the wrong direction if you ask me. I'm going to be salty as phuck if we miss out on either Dion or JJ.

if the goal is getting these guys on 1 year deals, and i think it is, then they are not going ot sign right away, at the least they want to bring an offer back to us as leverage.

[UD4MVP]

Get them on 4 year deals. They would be trade assets.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Get them on 4 year deals. They would be trade assets.

I wouldn't mind doing this for Dion. He's only 25

[Mos_Heat]

We can afford 2-3 year deals. Next FA class is weak.

[HeatFanLifer]

Ira W. states Heat have $34 million plus MLE this offseason. Good to know.