Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central 3.0

[Feel_the_Heat15]

The posters who think tanking for a high draft pick=winning .

[Wolfy1983]

Rondo really phucker things up for us and Utah by getting hurt. Boston would have been out in the first round and Hayward would have said phuck those guys. Well, maybe not since he has a hard on for his coach.

[HIF]

Honestly speaking the player I wanted the most outside of Lebron and KD was Paul George. Kid is a special talent.

You should have let Pat know. What do you think about AD?

[KingDavid]

Lebron with prime Irving and prime Love couldn't even reach the shore against the Warriors, but you think really old Wade and old Melo will be able to even get that done? "Ageless lebron" isnt good enough to win one fair game against the Warriors.

No one signs one year deals at that age unless they're retiring. Especially Wade.

Prime Kevin love? Oh you mean the same prime Kevin Love that averaged 16 points a game in the Finals, yeah I know that prime Kevin Love very well.

Whiteside
Melo
Lebron
Wade
Paul

I just believe that team challenges the Warriors in a 7 game series. It's a pipe dream that I'll cling on to for this season. I see Bannna boats in the future.

There no other disgruntled stars in the trade market left that we have a chance at getting that'll move the needle for us.

If you can name 3 realistic guys in the trade market that we have a chance at getting I'll let this dream die, but for now I'll hold unto this pipe dream.

Prime Kevin Love is a better player than current Melo and Wade, tho.

This team would die in transition in the 2nd quarter

Fat old Melo trying to huff back on defense against that high powered offense, lmao! Or 37 year old Wade finally getting back on defense after all these years just to end up running 5 miles per game to keep up with Klay.

Seabass777, you slipped some Everclear in that kool-aid, fam.

Where's all the capspace going to come from to sign all these old men?

Kevin Love averaged those points clearly because he wasn't an option on offense. They barely ran any sets to get love the ball in his sweet spot; the post.

[dean456]

Lebron is ageless to be honest KD. But there's no harm in experimenting with them on a 1-2 year deals.

What else can we do to build a team that beats or comes close to beating the Warriors?

Lebron with prime Irving and prime Love couldn't even reach the shore against the Warriors, but you think really old Wade and old Melo will be able to even get that done? "Ageless lebron" isnt good enough to win one fair game against the Warriors.

No one signs one year deals at that age unless they're retiring. Especially Wade.

Prime Kevin love? Oh you mean the same prime Kevin Love that averaged 16 points a game in the Finals, yeah I know that prime Kevin Love very well.

Whiteside
Melo
Lebron
Wade
Paul

I just believe that team challenges the Warriors in a 7 game series. It's a pipe dream that I'll cling on to for this season. I see Bannna boats in the future.

There no other disgruntled stars in the trade market left that we have a chance at getting that'll move the needle for us.

If you can name 3 realistic guys in the trade market that we have a chance at getting I'll let this dream die, but for now I'll hold unto this pipe dream.

This is a possibility but it requires a lot of things to go in our favor for this to happen. First we need to find people to trade for TJ's poison pill contract where in a situation where we tank and don't re sign Dion and JJ, TJ will get more of the ball and chance to show his value. We could also package him with JRich/Dragic/Ellington/Winslow to make it more appealing (we would have to receive expiring contracts and picks.)

Then after all that we need to convince Lebron and Wade to come back which isn't the craziest idea but i think the only way it happens is if they all decide together that's what they are going to do I don't see us being able to convince them if they hadn't already thought of the idea.

Money wise,
With an estimated $105-$108mil salary cap
If we keep Whiteside at $24.43mil and Bam at $2.95mil also if we manage to keep Winslow $3.44mil
Leaves us with $74.18Mil capspace for LBJ, Wade, Paul and Melo
Assuming Lebron gets a max roughly $38.55mil ($35.63mil left)
That means Melo/Wade/CP3 split with $11.87-$12.87mil(depending on salary cap) each for Wade that might be okay but for Melo and to a greater degree CP3 that would be a hard sell.
however if we did pull off,
CP3
Wade
Lebron/Winslow
Melo/UD (We all know somehow this will happen )
Whiteside/Bam

The rest would then be filled with vet mins and probably some exception.
It's possible but I'm still not sure that team setup would be a sure thing against the Warriors and I don't see Lebron making that move unless it is.

[rate_]

I'm fine with the way this season played out. Deep draft and we nailed the pick. I like Riley's mentality to some extent.

[KingDavid]

All this tank talk for high draft picks.

The Heat FO is good at many things, drafting an 18 year old after watching him play 10 -20 games is not one of them. Other than DWade name some lotto picks that have had a significant impact on the team?

We have an obvious talent for developing players and we have received the benefits of that strategy in recent years. With the new 2 way contracts we can expand on that.

Also take a look at the league, almost all teams are going to be capped out in the upcoming years and some teams are going to get tired of losing while paying these hefty tax bills. There will be many trades forthcoming, this will be our strength.

Look at Philly, sucked for years and now loaded with young talent. Honestly, I doubt they get out of the 1st round.

We have only had a handful of lottery picks though.

2002 #10 - Caron Butler, good player we used to swing for Shaq
2003 #5 - Wade
2008 #2 - Beasley, been rehashed 1000 times
2015 #10 - Winslow, only played one year but did help us in the playoffs in 2016
2017 #14 - Bam. TBD

That's 2/4 at worst with Beasley being the only true bust.

I agree, not a complete disaster when you look at who we drafted. The story get considerably worse when you look at whom we missed out on.

You could say that about a myriad of other organizations...

[HIF]

Zaslow this morning on 790 said that if we don't lock up Waiters and JJ today, that we should brace ourselves.

You should brace yourself whether we do or don't, man.

[fsuizzy]

Lebron with prime Irving and prime Love couldn't even reach the shore against the Warriors, but you think really old Wade and old Melo will be able to even get that done? "Ageless lebron" isnt good enough to win one fair game against the Warriors.

No one signs one year deals at that age unless they're retiring. Especially Wade.

Prime Kevin love? Oh you mean the same prime Kevin Love that averaged 16 points a game in the Finals, yeah I know that prime Kevin Love very well.

Whiteside
Melo
Lebron
Wade
Paul

I just believe that team challenges the Warriors in a 7 game series. It's a pipe dream that I'll cling on to for this season. I see Bannna boats in the future.

There no other disgruntled stars in the trade market left that we have a chance at getting that'll move the needle for us.

If you can name 3 realistic guys in the trade market that we have a chance at getting I'll let this dream die, but for now I'll hold unto this pipe dream.

This is a possibility but it requires a lot of things to go in our favor for this to happen. First we need to find people to trade for TJ's poison pill contract where in a situation where we tank and don't re sign Dion and JJ, TJ will get more of the ball and chance to show his value. We could also package him with JRich/Dragic/Ellington/Winslow to make it more appealing (we would have to receive expiring contracts and picks.)

Then after all that we need to convince Lebron and Wade to come back which isn't the craziest idea but i think the only way it happens is if they all decide together that's what they are going to do I don't see us being able to convince them if they hadn't already thought of the idea.

Money wise,
With an estimated $105-$108mil salary cap
If we keep Whiteside at $24.43mil and Bam at $2.95mil also if we manage to keep Winslow $3.44mil
Leaves us with $74.18Mil capspace for LBJ, Wade, Paul and Melo
Assuming Lebron gets a max roughly $38.55mil ($35.63mil left)
That means Melo/Wade/CP3 split with $11.87-$14.87mil(depending on salary cap) each for Wade that might be okay but for Melo and to a greater degree CP3 that would be a hard sell.
however if we did pull off,
CP3
Wade
Lebron/Winslow
Melo/UD (We all know somehow this will happen )
Whiteside/Bam

The rest would then be filled with vet mins and probably some exception.
It's possible but I'm still not sure that team setup would be a sure thing against the Warriors and I don't see Lebron making that move unless it is.

You see what Lebron needs to learn is that if he EVER wants to win again he is going to have to get a pay cut. Or join a team with CAP room and all stars.

[King_Supreme]

Whatever happens with FA, I just hope Riley doesn't trade any more future picks for the remainder of his tenure. Even if we resign JJ/Dion, we'll likely be a 45 win team for 1-2 years before being bad, that '20 pick to Phoenix could be a top 5 selection(RJ Barrett).

[KingDavid]

Lebron with prime Irving and prime Love couldn't even reach the shore against the Warriors, but you think really old Wade and old Melo will be able to even get that done? "Ageless lebron" isnt good enough to win one fair game against the Warriors.

No one signs one year deals at that age unless they're retiring. Especially Wade.

Prime Kevin love? Oh you mean the same prime Kevin Love that averaged 16 points a game in the Finals, yeah I know that prime Kevin Love very well.

Whiteside
Melo
Lebron
Wade
Paul

I just believe that team challenges the Warriors in a 7 game series. It's a pipe dream that I'll cling on to for this season. I see Bannna boats in the future.

There no other disgruntled stars in the trade market left that we have a chance at getting that'll move the needle for us.

If you can name 3 realistic guys in the trade market that we have a chance at getting I'll let this dream die, but for now I'll hold unto this pipe dream.

This is a possibility but it requires a lot of things to go in our favor for this to happen. First we need to find people to trade for TJ's poison pill contract where in a situation where we tank and don't re sign Dion and JJ, TJ will get more of the ball and chance to show his value. We could also package him with JRich/Dragic/Ellington/Winslow to make it more appealing (we would have to receive expiring contracts and picks.)

Then after all that we need to convince Lebron and Wade to come back which isn't the craziest idea but i think the only way it happens is if they all decide together that's what they are going to do I don't see us being able to convince them if they hadn't already thought of the idea.

Money wise,
With an estimated $105-$108mil salary cap
If we keep Whiteside at $24.43mil and Bam at $2.95mil also if we manage to keep Winslow $3.44mil
Leaves us with $74.18Mil capspace for LBJ, Wade, Paul and Melo
Assuming Lebron gets a max roughly $38.55mil ($35.63mil left)
That means Melo/Wade/CP3 split with $11.87-$14.87mil(depending on salary cap) each for Wade that might be okay but for Melo and to a greater degree CP3 that would be a hard sell.
however if we did pull off,
CP3
Wade
Lebron/Winslow
Melo/UD (We all know somehow this will happen )
Whiteside/Bam

The rest would then be filled with vet mins and probably some exception.
It's possible but I'm still not sure that team setup would be a sure thing against the Warriors and I don't see Lebron making that move unless it is.

"hey, 33-year-old-Chris-Paul-looking-for-his-last-big-contract, we gave your buddy LeBron every single penny of the max, but you know how you made $24.5 million last season? We're going to need you to take 10 million less than that".

[HIF]

All this tank talk for high draft picks.

The Heat FO is good at many things, drafting an 18 year old after watching him play 10 -20 games is not one of them. Other than DWade name some lotto picks that have had a significant impact on the team?

We have an obvious talent for developing players and we have received the benefits of that strategy in recent years. With the new 2 way contracts we can expand on that.

Also take a look at the league, almost all teams are going to be capped out in the upcoming years and some teams are going to get tired of losing while paying these hefty tax bills. There will be many trades forthcoming, this will be our strength.

Look at Philly, sucked for years and now loaded with young talent. Honestly, I doubt they get out of the 1st round.

We have only had a handful of lottery picks though.

2002 #10 - Caron Butler, good player we used to swing for Shaq
2003 #5 - Wade
2008 #2 - Beasley, been rehashed 1000 times
2015 #10 - Winslow, only played one year but did help us in the playoffs in 2016
2017 #14 - Bam. TBD

That's 2/4 at worst with Beasley being the only true bust.

I agree, not a complete disaster when you look at who we drafted. The story get considerably worse when you look at whom we missed out on.

You mean like every other team?

[UD4MVP]

We have only had a handful of lottery picks though.

2002 #10 - Caron Butler, good player we used to swing for Shaq
2003 #5 - Wade
2008 #2 - Beasley, been rehashed 1000 times
2015 #10 - Winslow, only played one year but did help us in the playoffs in 2016
2017 #14 - Bam. TBD

That's 2/4 at worst with Beasley being the only true bust.

I agree, not a complete disaster when you look at who we drafted. The story get considerably worse when you look at whom we missed out on.

You could say that about a myriad of other organizations...

Agreed. Every single organization has passed on stars at least once in their draft history. It's a given for anybody since it's really just a crapshoot

[HIF]

Imagine if we would have just taken care of JJ and Dion right from the get go. Probably would have had both for way below market prices. We got played once again by a high end free agent who used us as nothing more then leverage. In the process we alienated Dion and now JJ's agent is trying to get him to the Jazz as some sort of a favor for losing Hayward. This whole scenario seems so phucked. I pleaded to just take care of JJ and Dion from the get go. I knew we had no shot at Hayward considering that Boston with Stevens had strong ties to Hayward. In any other circumstance I would have said no problem sure. Bringing half the team to recruit Hayward was also an immense slap in the face to Dion cause everyone knew it was going to come at his expense. We preach loyalty and culture but this was a step in the wrong direction if you ask me. I'm going to be salty as phuck if we miss out on either Dion or JJ.

Imagine all the people, living life in peace ...

[HIF]

Get them on 4 year deals. They would be trade assets.

You mean like McRoberts?

If last year was a 2 month blip in their careers we'll be carrying dead weight forever.

Nothing longer than 3 years.

[HIF]

Get them on 4 year deals. They would be trade assets.

I wouldn't mind doing this for Dion. He's only 25

I wonder if the teams he's played on over the last 4 years think that.

[HIF]

Rondo really phucker things up for us and Utah by getting hurt. Boston would have been out in the first round and Hayward would have said phuck those guys. Well, maybe not since he has a hard on for his coach.

Get over him. He wasn't that big a deal.

[RexBoyWonder]

Second half of last season was super fun for me. Playedc great ball, saw the kids improve, united bunch.

I'm fine with rolling with same team again, adding Winslow and Bam and let the chips fall where they may.

IMO, we'll fight for 3-5 seed.

[Mos_Heat]

This is a possibility but it requires a lot of things to go in our favor for this to happen. First we need to find people to trade for TJ's poison pill contract where in a situation where we tank and don't re sign Dion and JJ, TJ will get more of the ball and chance to show his value. We could also package him with JRich/Dragic/Ellington/Winslow to make it more appealing (we would have to receive expiring contracts and picks.)

Then after all that we need to convince Lebron and Wade to come back which isn't the craziest idea but i think the only way it happens is if they all decide together that's what they are going to do I don't see us being able to convince them if they hadn't already thought of the idea.

Money wise,
With an estimated $105-$108mil salary cap
If we keep Whiteside at $24.43mil and Bam at $2.95mil also if we manage to keep Winslow $3.44mil
Leaves us with $74.18Mil capspace for LBJ, Wade, Paul and Melo
Assuming Lebron gets a max roughly $38.55mil ($35.63mil left)
That means Melo/Wade/CP3 split with $11.87-$14.87mil(depending on salary cap) each for Wade that might be okay but for Melo and to a greater degree CP3 that would be a hard sell.
however if we did pull off,
CP3
Wade
Lebron/Winslow
Melo/UD (We all know somehow this will happen )
Whiteside/Bam

The rest would then be filled with vet mins and probably some exception.
It's possible but I'm still not sure that team setup would be a sure thing against the Warriors and I don't see Lebron making that move unless it is.

welcome on board

next year's salary cap is gonna be around 102mil

the other problem is dumping salaries just for the cap space. gon be hard, fam

[HIF]

Whatever happens with FA, I just hope Riley doesn't trade any more future picks for the remainder of his tenure. Even if we resign JJ/Dion, we'll likely be a 45 win team for 1-2 years before being bad, that '20 pick to Phoenix could be a top 5 selection(RJ Barrett).

But don't you think that Dragic is worth 2 firsts?