BREAKING NEWS: Gordon Hayward signs with Celtics (4yr - 128mil)

[EricAnderson]

Boston is a great team filled with guys who aren't #1 options. Maybe the GOAT team filled with #2 options.

They have 2 potential top 5 picks next year a ton of assets their sitting in an awesome position for the future..why people are saying it's not a good move because they won't win the title next year is so dumb and short sighted but as Knick fans I guess that's all we know in trying to build a team..

If Anthony Davis becomes available they'd be far and away the favorites to land him.

The Celtics are gonna be damn good for a long time and it sucks but there's no reason to try to spin it negatively ax Knick fans..it just makes us look bitter

I'm not sold on Hayward long term, their 1st option just got exposed in the playoffs, and they still lack a proper big. Of course they have great potential, nobody's denying that fact and it's looking really good for them, but there's a whole lot of work yet to be done before actually being able to contend.

Once again you're looking at their present team..They have the ability in the future to get those pieces they need through trades or high picks or both.

They are in as good a position as anyone not named GS in the league

[blueNorange]

not reading this thread, but i'm sure it's become a 'lets act as if gordon hayward isn't a top tier player in this league' even the real truth is that boston will be legitimately tough to beat and defend(all those cuts to the basket)

[blueNorange]

Other than 3 pt %, they put up almost identical stats last year. I think a lot of people on this board are completely under rating the value that Carmelo has even at this point in his career at age 33. Haters gonna hate though.

you said they posted almost identical stats last year, yet ..

hayward had a .595 ts% which is elite
melo had a .535 ts% which is average

so no they didn't put up almost identical stats last year. one player was elite, one wasn't.

[EricAnderson]

Why even keep the young players and picks? They're all in on now. Have to keep Isaiah too.

Because they can be very good in present while building a young core that can compete for a decade when it's all said and done

There basically rebuilding while being a very good team at the same time which is amazing

[dakomish23]

Other than 3 pt %, they put up almost identical stats last year. I think a lot of people on this board are completely under rating the value that Carmelo has even at this point in his career at age 33. Haters gonna hate though.

you said they posted almost identical stats last year, yet ..

hayward had a .595 ts% which is elite
melo had a .535 ts% which is average

so no they didn't put up almost identical stats last year. one player was elite, one wasn't.

Tony Snell had a better TS% than both so by your logic he's better than Hayward.

Damn, MIL is going to be a problem

[blueNorange]

Other than 3 pt %, they put up almost identical stats last year. I think a lot of people on this board are completely under rating the value that Carmelo has even at this point in his career at age 33. Haters gonna hate though.

you said they posted almost identical stats last year, yet ..

hayward had a .595 ts% which is elite
melo had a .535 ts% which is average

so no they didn't put up almost identical stats last year. one player was elite, one wasn't.

Tony Snell had a better TS% than both so by your logic he's better than Hayward.

Damn, MIL is going to be a problem

ever consider snell might actually be good which is why he just got a good contract?

[drekwins]

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there shouldn't be a cap period

You need a cap for competitive balance. Or, we'd be like the New York Yankees in the old days and have 4 times the payroll of everyone else. Spending wouldn't matter. If someone gets old or busts, we wouldn't feel the pain. Not every team has the revenues of the Knicks. The cap is needed for competitive balance. The max salary... I'm not sure why that's in there. I guess for player inequality.

I don't give a fuq. Pay them. Move on.
The Yanks don't win every year either. There is no debate. There should not be a cap. If you can't afford to run the team and be competitive then sell that bitch and move out of the way.

Lol I bet you don't want profit sharing among teams either lol the current cap is set up in a way that is close to the max that owners can spend as a whole. It's a set percentage of revenues. Your position in this argument had been tested and is shared by very few nationally.

[dakomish23]

you said they posted almost identical stats last year, yet ..

hayward had a .595 ts% which is elite
melo had a .535 ts% which is average

so no they didn't put up almost identical stats last year. one player was elite, one wasn't.

Tony Snell had a better TS% than both so by your logic he's better than Hayward.

Damn, MIL is going to be a problem

ever consider snell might actually be good which is why he just got a good contract?

But is he a btter player than Hayward? You just called Hayward a top tier player.

By your logic, Snell is the better player.

Also, by your logic, Javelle is better than Anthony Davis.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

Boston is a great team filled with guys who aren't #1 options. Maybe the GOAT team filled with #2 options.

They have 2 potential top 5 picks next year a ton of assets their sitting in an awesome position for the future..why people are saying it's not a good move because they won't win the title next year is so dumb and short sighted but as Knick fans I guess that's all we know in trying to build a team..

If Anthony Davis becomes available they'd be far and away the favorites to land him.

The Celtics are gonna be damn good for a long time and it sucks but there's no reason to try to spin it negatively ax Knick fans..it just makes us look bitter

I'm not sold on Hayward long term, their 1st option just got exposed in the playoffs, and they still lack a proper big. Of course they have great potential, nobody's denying that fact and it's looking really good for them, but there's a whole lot of work yet to be done before actually being able to contend.

Yep. We will have to see what other moves they make, but for now what they've done this off-season is improve from a team that needed home court to beat the Wizards in the playoffs and got swept by the Cavs, to a team that should beat the Wizards in the playoffs without much problem now but will still lose in a series against the Cavs.

I suppose if LeBron bolts for the West after this season, they are the clear favorite to lose in the Finals in 2019.

[whocares1]

Tony Snell had a better TS% than both so by your logic he's better than Hayward.

Damn, MIL is going to be a problem

ever consider snell might actually be good which is why he just got a good contract?

But is he a btter player than Hayward? You just called Hayward a top tier player.

By your logic, Snell is the better player.

Also, by your logic, Javelle is better than Anthony Davis.

You have to weigh TS with USG. You can't dismiss TS because of situations that you bring up.

[dakomish23]

ever consider snell might actually be good which is why he just got a good contract?

But is he a btter player than Hayward? You just called Hayward a top tier player.

By your logic, Snell is the better player.

Also, by your logic, Javelle is better than Anthony Davis.

You have to weigh TS with USG. You can't dismiss TS because of situations that you bring up.

I'm not dismissing the stat. Im dismissing the incorrect use of it.

He is using it as the end all be all.

No stat is the end all be all.

Or is he right and Javelle is better than Davis?

[EricAnderson]

Judging the Celtics by the fact they won't beat Cleveland or GS next year is foolish.. there built amazingly for the present and future..so many high picks and assets it's crazy..

Obviously there's no guaranteee in sports but If we had their team and assets we'd be doing cartwheels right now.

They are in a tremendous position to be damn good for the next 10 years and have so many ways they can attack this going forward

[whocares1]

But is he a btter player than Hayward? You just called Hayward a top tier player.

By your logic, Snell is the better player.

Also, by your logic, Javelle is better than Anthony Davis.

You have to weigh TS with USG. You can't dismiss TS because of situations that you bring up.

I'm not dismissing the stat. Im dismissing the incorrect use of it.

He is using it as the end all be all.

No stat is the end all be all.

Or is he right and Javelle is better than Davis?

He throws TS around but without looking Hayward and Melo probably have similar USG so comparing the two is fair game.

[dakomish23]

You have to weigh TS with USG. You can't dismiss TS because of situations that you bring up.

I'm not dismissing the stat. Im dismissing the incorrect use of it.

He is using it as the end all be all.

No stat is the end all be all.

Or is he right and Javelle is better than Davis?

He throws TS around but without looking Hayward and Melo probably have similar USG so comparing the two is fair game.

What about Snell vs Hayward?

[whocares1]

I'm not dismissing the stat. Im dismissing the incorrect use of it.

He is using it as the end all be all.

No stat is the end all be all.

Or is he right and Javelle is better than Davis?

He throws TS around but without looking Hayward and Melo probably have similar USG so comparing the two is fair game.

What about Snell vs Hayward?

Tony Snell's usage is 12..Hayward's is 27.6.

[blueNorange]

Tony Snell had a better TS% than both so by your logic he's better than Hayward.

Damn, MIL is going to be a problem

ever consider snell might actually be good which is why he just got a good contract?

But is he a btter player than Hayward? You just called Hayward a top tier player.

By your logic, Snell is the better player.

Also, by your logic, Javelle is better than Anthony Davis.

ahh whenever ts% is used you either bring up a big that plays under the rim or a player that isn't involved in the offense.

tony snell has a 13 usage rating compared to hayward(27.6 usage) and melo(29.1 usage)

but i get it, advanced stats exposes the truth of our beloved players

[dakomish23]

He throws TS around but without looking Hayward and Melo probably have similar USG so comparing the two is fair game.

What about Snell vs Hayward?

Tony Snell's usage is 12..Hayward's is 27.6.

So using TS% as the end all be all is wrong and you have to consider context.

[camillepd]

Hayward is a very good role player. He is not an elite player.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

Judging the Celtics by the fact they won't beat Cleveland or GS next year is foolish.. there built amazingly for the present and future..so many high picks and assets it's crazy..

Obviously there's no guaranteee in sports but If we had their team and assets we'd be doing cartwheels right now.

They are in a tremendous position to be damn good for the next 10 years and have so many ways they can attack this going forward

They should be judged based on their success on the court. Last year they were the 2nd best team in the East, losing to the Cavs in the ECF. Next year they will likely do the same.

Obviously Knicks fans should prefer their team and assets. The Celtics are a better team right now and have more future assets. I'm not sure anyone is arguing against that.

[HarthorneWingo]

Hayward is a very good role player. He is not an elite player.

So what? He fits their team and he'll pass the ball.