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Re: Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central 3.0 

Post#481 » by Daffy » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:31 pm

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Daffy wrote:Honestly speaking the player I wanted the most outside of Lebron and KD was Paul George. Kid is a special talent.


You should have let Pat know. What do you think about AD?


lol I would love Anthony Davis. I didn't State him because we had Lebro, but after he left KD and PG were both available. I sort of think Bosh or Ray Allen needs to become part of our front office to help our sales pitch. I think guys like Riley and Zo probably aren't as appreciated by the younger generation of players anymore, so playing for them doesn't hold as much weight. It's a new age.
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Post#482 » by jereseja » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:32 pm

J-House wrote:Am I the only one who would be fine with TJ taking over the starting 2 guard position going forward? His numbers last year really weren't that different from Dion's.

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Post#483 » by batterybro42 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:32 pm

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This is a possibility but it requires a lot of things to go in our favor for this to happen. First we need to find people to trade for TJ's poison pill contract where in a situation where we tank and don't re sign Dion and JJ, TJ will get more of the ball and chance to show his value. We could also package him with JRich/Dragic/Ellington/Winslow to make it more appealing (we would have to receive expiring contracts and picks.)

Then after all that we need to convince Lebron and Wade to come back which isn't the craziest idea but i think the only way it happens is if they all decide together that's what they are going to do I don't see us being able to convince them if they hadn't already thought of the idea.

Money wise,
With an estimated $105-$108mil salary cap
If we keep Whiteside at $24.43mil and Bam at $2.95mil also if we manage to keep Winslow $3.44mil
Leaves us with $74.18Mil capspace for LBJ, Wade, Paul and Melo
Assuming Lebron gets a max roughly $38.55mil ($35.63mil left)
That means Melo/Wade/CP3 split with $11.87-$14.87mil(depending on salary cap) each for Wade that might be okay but for Melo and to a greater degree CP3 that would be a hard sell.
however if we did pull off,
CP3
Wade
Lebron/Winslow
Melo/UD (We all know somehow this will happen :D)
Whiteside/Bam

The rest would then be filled with vet mins and probably some exception.
It's possible but I'm still not sure that team setup would be a sure thing against the Warriors and I don't see Lebron making that move unless it is.

"hey, 33-year-old-Chris-Paul-looking-for-his-last-big-contract, we gave your buddy LeBron every single penny of the max, but you know how you made $24.5 million last season? We're going to need you to take 10 million less than that".


Exactly I just don't see it happening. Now another option that I'd rather explore is the possibility of positioning ourselves to be big players in the 2020-2021 free agency.
This year sign Dion and JJ to a 3 year deal with a team option in the 3rd year let them play out their contracts with Dragic and Whiteside and see what we can achieve for the next 3 years.
Because then when they all expire in 2020/2021 headlining would be;
Harden
Leonard
Irving
Wall
Whiteside
I think the way the Warriors look it could make guys like Leonard and Harden think about partnering up and going East. If we can manage to have only Bam on the books at that point our salary cap space would be roughly $105mil to spend on free agents if we could somehow convince 2 or 3 (slightly less realistic) of those guys to combine that would be pretty dangerous for years to come.

Only way 3 with a combo of Harden and Leonard would happen is if Whiteside sacrificed to bring us a championship but he would have to take like $25mil starting salary 19mil less than what he's worth for it to work assuming Harden and Leonard wouldn't sacrifice on their biggest payday of their careers.

Better option may be to hope Adebyo has developed into a nice player by his 4th season then resigning Whiteside may not be necessary then just fill out the roster with the remaining $25mil.


For the Banana boat to work you would have to trade Whiteside for future picks. Bam fits very well as a starting center with a year of experience next to that group anyways. Once you account for him, Winslow, Mgruder , and cap holds you'll have roughly 90 mil left on the table, which is really all the Banana boat can get anywhere.

I am guessing Wade is probably good for 10 mil which leaves 80 mil for Melo, LeBron, and CP3. It's 26 million per guy, that's what Melo, and CP3 are making this year. If a 36 year old Melo can get more than that on the open market more power to him, but IMO he ends up taking 20 leaving 30 mil a piece for LeBron and CP3.
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Post#484 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:34 pm

And now this :cry: They going to force us to give him the MLE. Everyone just toying with us now :cry:

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Post#485 » by Mars » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:36 pm

LeBron wants to hire Udonis as new Cavs GM?
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Post#486 » by jereseja » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:38 pm

Banana boat could win big3 league not NBA, CP3 is only one who could play on contender team in starting 5.
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Post#487 » by Daffy » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:39 pm

At this point in his career if Haslem wants to play for a contender I can respect that 100%
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Post#488 » by Bishop45 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:41 pm

J-House wrote:Am I the only one who would be fine with TJ taking over the starting 2 guard position going forward? His numbers last year really weren't that different from Dion's.


I thought that's what we were planning after giving TJ his contract but now not so sure. Dion's numbers weren't great but he has a lot of intangibles that made him a great fit next to Dragic (Like his passing, driving/spotting up/size on defense) that TJ doesn't really have

Not against it at all tho
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Post#489 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:45 pm

Bishop45 wrote:
J-House wrote:Am I the only one who would be fine with TJ taking over the starting 2 guard position going forward? His numbers last year really weren't that different from Dion's.


I thought that's what we were planning after giving TJ his contract but now not so sure. Dion's numbers weren't great but he has a lot of intangibles that made him a great fit next to Dragic (Like his passing, driving/spotting up/size on defense) that TJ doesn't really have

Not against it at all tho

I love TJ but Dion is the better fit and TJ meshes well with both Dion and Dragon. What TJ needs is true 6th man minutes at both guard spots but we have such a glut at the position that it's hard to envision that right now unless moves are made.
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Post#490 » by wAtChOut218 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:46 pm

Waiters and JJ wrapped up. Rudy Gay convo active. LMA trade convo active.
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Post#491 » by Mos_Heat » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:47 pm

Bishop45 wrote:Damn, y'all a mess this morning. Ready for whatever's coming today

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Post#492 » by Seabass777 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:48 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:And now this :cry: They going to force us to give him the MLE. Everyone just toying with us now :cry:

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Post#493 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:48 pm

wAtChOut218 wrote:Waiters and JJ wrapped up. Rudy Gay convo active. LMA trade convo active.

How we going to fit them into space with Blake already signed and sealed?
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Post#494 » by Mos_Heat » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:48 pm

wAtChOut218 wrote:Waiters and JJ wrapped up. Rudy Gay convo active. LMA trade convo active.

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Post#495 » by jereseja » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:48 pm

If Dion stay is tuff for TJ to be 6th man, but if Dion go and we sign backup pointguard he have good shot.
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Post#496 » by Seabass777 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:48 pm

wAtChOut218 wrote:Waiters and JJ wrapped up. Rudy Gay convo active. LMA trade convo active.


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Post#497 » by Mos_Heat » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:49 pm

jereseja wrote:Banana boat could win big3 league not NBA, CP3 is only one who could play on contender team in starting 5.
I have color tv here i dont know what u ppl in USA have.

what about James guy?
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Post#498 » by Mos_Heat » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:51 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:And now this :cry: They going to force us to give him the MLE. Everyone just toying with us now :cry:

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Post#499 » by HEATVols865 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:52 pm

Sign our guys for this season and next and have a clean slate in 2019. **** it!
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Post#500 » by Wolfy1983 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:52 pm

UD4MVP wrote:Dragic and Whiteside have player options for 2019-2020 season. They will be free agents in the summer of 2019. Kyrie, Klay, Butler, Kawhi, and Wall will be free agents in 2019 as well. Most of them will probably get extended.



Kawhi and Klay ain't leaving their teams, Kyrie is a huge liability on defense and Butler i am on the fence on...gotta see how he does with KAT and Wiggie,
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