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Re: Wizards Summer League/Training Camp thread 

Post#81 » by gambitx777 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:29 am

payitforward wrote:Mac, McCullough, Robinson, Humphries, Keene & Young -- that's more to watch than usual on our SL team. Not to mention that we actually have room on the team for all of those guys, so I hope they all look like they deserve that shot.

McCullough is signed. He'll be with us. This is the year for him to show he's an NBA player, otherwise we likely don't pick up his next-year option. He should be very motivated.

Mac's this-year option will be picked up. Actually, I hope they'll work out a cheap 3-year deal w/ Mac. I'm pretty confident he'll earn it & more.

Robinson is enough of a prospect that I'm already in favor of signing him for the year. Last year undrafted rookies made $543K; can't have changed much this year. I'll be surprised if he isn't a Wizard.

Humphries, Keene & Young, each in different ways, have question marks attached to them. But, lets suppose we sign all of them along with Robinson. Those 4 rookies will cost $3m or less. Assuming for a moment that we sign Otto for $20m, we'd be at @ $118m for 16 players. We might be able to sign a veteran minimum player, have 17 guys, & still stay under the luxury tax limit.

Piff your math is a bit off i am afraid.
with all of our contracts and cap hold, (porters and bogz included and websters dead cap)
we sit right now at 98,460,935 ish give your take a bit. let say we sign porter for 20 mill like you say, we don't add 20 million to that number, you only add 6 million to that number, because otto is already slated at a 14 mill cap hold. So puts us at 114 million. if we renounce bogs cap hold that negates that completely. and we drop back down to 98 whith porters new contract. we are not in too much dangers of the tax and we can stay under the tax even if we sign bogz we just have to keep him close to his cap hold of 8 mill or less. adding 4 undrafted rookies at about 50 K a piece might be 2-3 mill so yeah 117 mill but if we remove bogs thats 8 mill gone.
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Post#82 » by payitforward » Sat Jul 1, 2017 8:24 pm

JWizmentality wrote:I'll make a wager with you. I bet House will perform markedly better than Robinson, Young or Keene in summer league.

Good God, man! Have we sunk so low that we have to argue about this bunch of non-entities (or at least not-yet-entities)?? :)

What does "perform markedly better" (or even "perform better" to any degree) mean? Does it mean "score more points -- irrespective of how many shots he takes?"

House played pretty well in the D League last year, though he only played 187 minutes, so bad or good his stats wouldn't tell us anything terribly reliable.

House is 24, & he's played professionally for a year. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he played better than Robinson/Young/Keene this Summer. That doesn't mean he's an NBA level player. & it doesn't mean those other guys aren't -- though, in fact, I kind of doubt they are! :)

Robinson is the one I want to watch the closest. Just because he's got the right size and athleticism for the league. But, hey, all these kids went undrafted -- no sure things among them!
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Re: Wizards Summer League/Training Camp thread 

Post#83 » by payitforward » Sat Jul 1, 2017 8:53 pm

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payitforward wrote:Mac, McCullough, Robinson, Humphries, Keene & Young -- that's more to watch than usual on our SL team. Not to mention that we actually have room on the team for all of those guys, so I hope they all look like they deserve that shot.

McCullough is signed. He'll be with us. This is the year for him to show he's an NBA player, otherwise we likely don't pick up his next-year option. He should be very motivated.

Mac's this-year option will be picked up. Actually, I hope they'll work out a cheap 3-year deal w/ Mac. I'm pretty confident he'll earn it & more.

Robinson is enough of a prospect that I'm already in favor of signing him for the year. Last year undrafted rookies made $543K; can't have changed much this year. I'll be surprised if he isn't a Wizard.

Humphries, Keene & Young, each in different ways, have question marks attached to them. But, lets suppose we sign all of them along with Robinson. Those 4 rookies will cost $3m or less. Assuming for a moment that we sign Otto for $20m, we'd be at @ $118m for 16 players. We might be able to sign a veteran minimum player, have 17 guys, & still stay under the luxury tax limit.

Piff your math is a bit off i am afraid.
with all of our contracts and cap hold, (porters and bogz included and websters dead cap)
we sit right now at 98,460,935 ish give your take a bit. let say we sign porter for 20 mill like you say, we don't add 20 million to that number, you only add 6 million to that number, because otto is already slated at a 14 mill cap hold. So puts us at 114 million. if we renounce bogs cap hold that negates that completely. and we drop back down to 98 whith porters new contract. we are not in too much dangers of the tax and we can stay under the tax even if we sign bogz we just have to keep him close to his cap hold of 8 mill or less. adding 4 undrafted rookies at about 50 K a piece might be 2-3 mill so yeah 117 mill but if we remove bogs thats 8 mill gone.

Don't think so gambit. Right now we owe 10 players a total of $93.9m (Webster's stretch is in that #). The players are Wall, Beal, Mahinmi, Gortat, Morris, Oubre, Smith, Satoransky, Frazier & McCullough. No cap holds in that number.

If we pick up Sheldon Mac's $1.31m option, we are at $95.2m for 11 players.

We just gave his $4.66m qualifying offer to Bogdanovic. If we retain him for that number, we are 12 players & just over $99.8m.

The final cap figure was announced today: $99.2m -- in other words for these 12 guys (no Otto) we are already just over the cap.

If we retain Porter for $20m, which I'd say is unlikely, we are at 13 players & $119.8m. The luxury tax is at $119.2m (final number also announced today). IOW, we are in tax territory with 13 players.

Obviously, that situation would be hard to manage. The calculation isn't made until the season's end, however, so we would have some time to make a trade.

If someone else makes an offer for Bogdanovic & he takes it, we don't have to match. That would certainly help. We'd be back to 12. We could sign 3 undrafted rookies & slide in under the tax barrier.
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Post#84 » by gambitx777 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:04 pm

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payitforward wrote:Mac, McCullough, Robinson, Humphries, Keene & Young -- that's more to watch than usual on our SL team. Not to mention that we actually have room on the team for all of those guys, so I hope they all look like they deserve that shot.

McCullough is signed. He'll be with us. This is the year for him to show he's an NBA player, otherwise we likely don't pick up his next-year option. He should be very motivated.

Mac's this-year option will be picked up. Actually, I hope they'll work out a cheap 3-year deal w/ Mac. I'm pretty confident he'll earn it & more.

Robinson is enough of a prospect that I'm already in favor of signing him for the year. Last year undrafted rookies made $543K; can't have changed much this year. I'll be surprised if he isn't a Wizard.

Humphries, Keene & Young, each in different ways, have question marks attached to them. But, lets suppose we sign all of them along with Robinson. Those 4 rookies will cost $3m or less. Assuming for a moment that we sign Otto for $20m, we'd be at @ $118m for 16 players. We might be able to sign a veteran minimum player, have 17 guys, & still stay under the luxury tax limit.

Piff your math is a bit off i am afraid.
with all of our contracts and cap hold, (porters and bogz included and websters dead cap)
we sit right now at 98,460,935 ish give your take a bit. let say we sign porter for 20 mill like you say, we don't add 20 million to that number, you only add 6 million to that number, because otto is already slated at a 14 mill cap hold. So puts us at 114 million. if we renounce bogs cap hold that negates that completely. and we drop back down to 98 whith porters new contract. we are not in too much dangers of the tax and we can stay under the tax even if we sign bogz we just have to keep him close to his cap hold of 8 mill or less. adding 4 undrafted rookies at about 50 K a piece might be 2-3 mill so yeah 117 mill but if we remove bogs thats 8 mill gone.

Don't think so gambit. Right now we owe 10 players a total of $93.9m (Webster's stretch is in that #). The players are Wall, Beal, Mahinmi, Gortat, Morris, Oubre, Smith, Satoransky, Frazier & McCullough. No cap holds in that number.

If we pick up Sheldon Mac's $1.31m option, we are at $95.2m for 11 players.

We just gave his $4.66m qualifying offer to Bogdanovic. If we retain him for that number, we are 12 players & just over $99.8m.

The final cap figure was announced today: $99.2m -- in other words for these 12 guys (no Otto) we are already just over the cap.

If we retain Porter for $20m, which I'd say is unlikely, we are at 13 players & $119.8m. The luxury tax is at $119.2m (final number also announced today). IOW, we are in tax territory with 13 players.

Obviously, that situation would be hard to manage. The calculation isn't made until the season's end, however, so we would have some time to make a trade.

If someone else makes an offer for Bogdanovic & he takes it, we don't have to match. That would certainly help. We'd be back to 12. We could sign 3 undrafted rookies & slide in under the tax barrier.

That's where I went wrong I didn't think those rookie options on Mac and ochifu were that expensive. But I wasn't far off.
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Re: Wizards Summer League/Training Camp thread 

Post#85 » by JWizmentality » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:32 pm

payitforward wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:I'll make a wager with you. I bet House will perform markedly better than Robinson, Young or Keene in summer league.

Good God, man! Have we sunk so low that we have to argue about this bunch of non-entities (or at least not-yet-entities)?? :)

What does "perform markedly better" (or even "perform better" to any degree) mean? Does it mean "score more points -- irrespective of how many shots he takes?"

House played pretty well in the D League last year, though he only played 187 minutes, so bad or good his stats wouldn't tell us anything terribly reliable.

House is 24, & he's played professionally for a year. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he played better than Robinson/Young/Keene this Summer. That doesn't mean he's an NBA level player. & it doesn't mean those other guys aren't -- though, in fact, I kind of doubt they are! :)

Robinson is the one I want to watch the closest. Just because he's got the right size and athleticism for the league. But, hey, all these kids went undrafted -- no sure things among them!



Well sh*t, we aint got nothing better to do! :x
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Post#86 » by NatP4 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:01 am

I'm pretty excited to see what Chris McCullough can do. Still like his potential. 9"1 standing reach, athletic, smooth shooting stroke. If he can develop into a switch everything PF that can space the floor and rebound for his position, he can be a really good player for us. Hoping to see him dominate the summer league and force his way into the rotation this season.

Think Keene, McCullough, Mac, and maybe Robinson are the only real NBA guys on our summer league teams hoping to see all 4 of them start, wish Oubre was playing again also. Think McCullough is just a better prospect version of Robinson, really just wanna see a lot of Keene/Mac and McCullough doing all the heavy lifting. Keene could be an explosive off the bench scorer for us right away if his game translates at all. Our summer league guard play last season was so horrendous, I hope he's the real deal.
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Post#87 » by NatP4 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:16 am

This Keene guy is impressive, crazy fast with the ball, can drive and finish either direction with either hand, has an extremely tight low to the ground handle, can easily create space to get his shot off the dribble from anywhere, has insane NBA range already, has strength to finish through contact at the rim. I really don't see what he can't do offensively.

You look at Trey Burke, he couldn't create his shot off the dribble at all, didn't have quickness at all, had poor ball handling ability, couldn't finish at the rim at all.

Even a guy like Kay Felder last year never shot the 3 like Keene in college. Averaged 6 points less.

Isaiah Thomas didn't shoot the 3 or score anywhere close to this rate in college.

Yogi Ferrel is the only small scoring guard outside of Steph Curry that I can think of that shot the 3 that well and even he scored about 13 points less per game as a senior, played some of the same teams as Keene.
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Post#88 » by keynote » Wed Jul 5, 2017 6:11 pm

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Post#89 » by payitforward » Wed Jul 5, 2017 6:17 pm

Given the lame acquisitions so far, it's hard to believe that Ernie will be paying any attention to Robinson, Young, Keene or Humphries. Hence I assume we'll have no additional young players this year.

Sad.
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Post#90 » by closg00 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 6:29 pm

payitforward wrote:Given the lame acquisitions so far, it's hard to believe that Ernie will be paying any attention to Robinson, Young, Keene or Humphries. Hence I assume we'll have no additional young players this year.

Sad.


I was going to write the same thing, very sad indeed, watch Keene or one of the others blow-up on another team :(
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Post#91 » by keynote » Wed Jul 5, 2017 6:39 pm

Odd that Chris McCullough listed at 6'11 200 lbs. He measured out to be 6'9" (in shoes) 199 lbs. at the 2015 combine. So, either someone has inflated his height, or he grew two inches and still didn't put on any weight.
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Post#92 » by 80sballboy » Wed Jul 5, 2017 6:40 pm

keynote wrote:Full roster.
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Ike Diogu? Ike Diogu.

Digou's Wikipedia entry needs an edit:

Diogu stands at 6 foot 9 inches (2.06 m) tall which is considered slightly undersized for an NBA power forward, but he makes up for his lack of height with his muscle, girth and 7'4" wingspan.


Does he, though? I mean, does he *really*?


So Marcus Keene grew two inches? :D
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Post#93 » by JWizmentality » Wed Jul 5, 2017 6:44 pm

payitforward wrote:Given the lame acquisitions so far, it's hard to believe that Ernie will be paying any attention to House, Robinson, Young, Keene or Humphries. Hence I assume we'll have no additional young players this year.

Sad.


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Post#94 » by NatP4 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 6:53 pm

chances ochefu still looks like garbage playing in the summer league?
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Post#95 » by JWizmentality » Wed Jul 5, 2017 8:13 pm

NatP4 wrote:chances ochefu still looks like garbage playing in the summer league?


Pretty $#%%^# high.
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Post#96 » by closg00 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 8:21 pm

JWizmentality wrote:
NatP4 wrote:chances ochefu still looks like garbage playing in the summer league?


Pretty $#%%^# high.


He'll be gone to shed salary unless they are thinking about trading Gortat.
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Post#97 » by NatP4 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 8:39 pm

Michael Young certainly has some impressive highlights. Seems like a good player
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Post#98 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 8:54 pm

payitforward wrote:Given the lame acquisitions so far, it's hard to believe that Ernie will be paying any attention to Robinson, Young, Keene or Humphries. Hence I assume we'll have no additional young players this year.

Sad.

Piff we still have like 2 spots open on our team and bogz is gone.
Wall/Sato/Tim
Beal/Mac/Meeks
Otto/Kelly
Morris/Chris.M/Scott
Gortat/Mahinmi/Smith/Ochifu
Three of those guys are playing on the summer league team, Ochifu might get cut if he does not show improvement and gets outplayed by a younger player like humphries. Bogz is all but gone, and that leave two spots to will and we have no back up wings, Robinson have a great shot to make the team if he plays well. Kenne could get a place on the team since we really do like carrying extra point guards with wall knees. Plus if we fine a way to dump salary with out bring much back that could open up a spot for someone. be more optimistic Pif.
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Does he not remind you guys of Paul Millsap? I'm impressed
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