Trade Ideas thread

[Ethomasp31]

I appear to be alone in this, but I think giving up Dieng for backup wing player(s) (and we all know Butler and Wiggins will average 35 mins or more) like Crowder and Bradley (although they are very good, and well priced) is unwise.
Moving Dieng will also mean playing Aldrich significant minutes.
I think Aldrich and/or the OKC pick are the maximum we should offer for any reserve...

In traditional team building, I would agree that trading one starter for two bench pieces is often unwise, but when positions are considered I'm more in favor. Gorgui as a 4-5 has less value to us than Bradley as 2-3 and Crowder as a 3-4. With Taj Gibson in the fold too, we have two really strong bigs. The value around the league is down for bigs and 3 and D wings are at an all-time high for value. So in this case, I think we would have to jump at the chance to acquire two such players for only one big man.

If we could get Crowder and Bradley for Dieng and the pick from OKC I would do that in a heartbeat. Supposedly we could do a sign and trade for Miles....for Cole and the OKC pick, but we would have to sign Miles for 3 years and $12 million a year. We also have supposedly offered Young $4.5 million a year as well.

[Peezo]

If we could get Crowder and Bradley for Dieng and the pick from OKC I would do that in a heartbeat. Supposedly we could do a sign and trade for Miles....for Cole and the OKC pick, but we would have to sign Miles for 3 years and $12 million a year. We also have supposedly offered Young $4.5 million a year as well.

Young just took 5.2 million from the Warriors. I wish we had landed him.

[SO_MONEY]

I think the best case scenario for Minny is not to trade Dieng. Gibson can teach him how to fully maximize his team defense potention. Deing and Bjelica are good round out of 4/5 rotation and back up for Gibson. Gibson needs some rest also during regular season to keep him fresh for play off.

Blah.

First, it comes down to the fact you should not have paid Taj $14 million per, but that is done, this roster is not maximized by having Dieng, first he is the odd man out if there is an issue with the LUX, second if Taj is starting Dieng can be replaced by players like Dedmon and/or Udoh. There is a drop off, but it is not violent, and it would leave space for other players who will complement this team better. If Thibs is not looking to trade him he is a fool at this point. I like Deing, but the reality is the team would be better without him if we can move him, we can get players who better fit NOW and not put off the inevitable where he is traded for the ability to avoid the LUX at which point his value will be lower. Trading Dieng now no matter how you cut it is likely the best and most prudent move.

[KGdaBom]

I appear to be alone in this, but I think giving up Dieng for backup wing player(s) (and we all know Butler and Wiggins will average 35 mins or more) like Crowder and Bradley (although they are very good, and well priced) is unwise.
Moving Dieng will also mean playing Aldrich significant minutes.
I think Aldrich and/or the OKC pick are the maximum we should offer for any reserve...

In traditional team building, I would agree that trading one starter for two bench pieces is often unwise, but when positions are considered I'm more in favor. Gorgui as a 4-5 has less value to us than Bradley as 2-3 and Crowder as a 3-4. With Taj Gibson in the fold too, we have two really strong bigs. The value around the league is down for bigs and 3 and D wings are at an all-time high for value. So in this case, I think we would have to jump at the chance to acquire two such players for only one big man.

If we could get Crowder and Bradley for Dieng and the pick from OKC I would do that in a heartbeat. Supposedly we could do a sign and trade for Miles....for Cole and the OKC pick, but we would have to sign Miles for 3 years and $12 million a year. We also have supposedly offered Young $4.5 million a year as well.

Who's saying Miles will get 12 million a year. I have been hearing maybe 7-9 million range.

[KGdaBom]

I think the best case scenario for Minny is not to trade Dieng. Gibson can teach him how to fully maximize his team defense potention. Deing and Bjelica are good round out of 4/5 rotation and back up for Gibson. Gibson needs some rest also during regular season to keep him fresh for play off.

Blah.

First, it comes down to the fact you should not have paid Taj $14 million per, but that is done, this roster is not maximized by having Dieng, first he is the odd man out if there is an issue with the LUX, second if Taj is starting Dieng can be replaced by players like Dedmon and/or Udoh. There is a drop off, but it is not violent, and it would leave space for other players who will complement this team better. If Thibs is not looking to trade him he is a fool at this point. I like Deing, but the reality is the team would be better without him if we can move him, we can get players who better fit NOW and not put off the inevitable where he is traded for the ability to avoid the LUX at which point his value will be lower. Trading Dieng now no matter how you cut it is likely the best and most prudent move.

Dieng IMO is without a doubt a better player than Gibson. Gibson can back up the more talented KAT and Dieng and get between 24-30 MPG. Nice front court rotation.

[SO_MONEY]

I think the best case scenario for Minny is not to trade Dieng. Gibson can teach him how to fully maximize his team defense potention. Deing and Bjelica are good round out of 4/5 rotation and back up for Gibson. Gibson needs some rest also during regular season to keep him fresh for play off.

Blah.

First, it comes down to the fact you should not have paid Taj $14 million per, but that is done, this roster is not maximized by having Dieng, first he is the odd man out if there is an issue with the LUX, second if Taj is starting Dieng can be replaced by players like Dedmon and/or Udoh. There is a drop off, but it is not violent, and it would leave space for other players who will complement this team better. If Thibs is not looking to trade him he is a fool at this point. I like Deing, but the reality is the team would be better without him if we can move him, we can get players who better fit NOW and not put off the inevitable where he is traded for the ability to avoid the LUX at which point his value will be lower. Trading Dieng now no matter how you cut it is likely the best and most prudent move.

Dieng IMO is without a doubt a better player than Gibson. Gibson can back up the more talented KAT and Dieng and get between 24-30 MPG. Nice front court rotation.

So what? I think Dieng might be better than Taj too... That doesn't stop the fact that we made our decision with Taj, and that determined the fact Dieng is now movable. I spelled everything out for you, it is up to you to see that those are good points and to maximize value he needs to go. That or we have no real bench rolling into the season, nothing that will help us in the end anyways, or we overpay based on panic and give up a first for dumping a guy who might get a first if we just wait. This is chess not checkers.

[KGdaBom]

Blah.

First, it comes down to the fact you should not have paid Taj $14 million per, but that is done, this roster is not maximized by having Dieng, first he is the odd man out if there is an issue with the LUX, second if Taj is starting Dieng can be replaced by players like Dedmon and/or Udoh. There is a drop off, but it is not violent, and it would leave space for other players who will complement this team better. If Thibs is not looking to trade him he is a fool at this point. I like Deing, but the reality is the team would be better without him if we can move him, we can get players who better fit NOW and not put off the inevitable where he is traded for the ability to avoid the LUX at which point his value will be lower. Trading Dieng now no matter how you cut it is likely the best and most prudent move.

Dieng IMO is without a doubt a better player than Gibson. Gibson can back up the more talented KAT and Dieng and get between 24-30 MPG. Nice front court rotation.

So what? I think Dieng might be better than Taj too... That doesn't stop the fact that we made our decision with Taj, and that determined the fact Dieng is now movable. I spelled everything out for you, it is up to you to see that those are good points and to maximize value he needs to go. That or we have no real bench rolling into the season, nothing that will help us in the end anyways, or we overpay based on panic and give up a first for dumping a guy who might get a first if we just wait. This is chess not checkers.

At this time we are short a backup wing of any quality. However, if we trade Dieng we are starting a sub par PF and then have no respectable back up at F/C. We could possibly fix our bench wing by trading Dieng, but it would just be creating a new problem IMO. I'm not saying your Idea is terrible, but IMO it's a lateral move and hurts continuity with the players. We have already traded two of our five starters from last year. Not sure if it's a great idea to trade away three.

[SO_MONEY]

At this time we are short a backup wing of any quality. However, if we trade Dieng we are starting a sub par PF and then have no respectable back up at F/C. We could possibly fix our bench wing by trading Dieng, but it would just be creating a new problem IMO. I'm not saying your Idea is terrible, but IMO it's a lateral move and hurts continuity with the players. We have already traded two of our five starters from last year. Not sure if it's a great idea to trade away three.

What makes you think that? Look at the players out there! Deing is not an all-star and the downgrade we get is going to be worth it, by far. Really, what is the point playing a $14 million Center as a backup PF, we can make better use of our money and our team will be better for it You wouldn't trade Dieng if you would be creating more problems, you would be trading him to solve MORE problems.

[Ethomasp31]

Blah.

First, it comes down to the fact you should not have paid Taj $14 million per, but that is done, this roster is not maximized by having Dieng, first he is the odd man out if there is an issue with the LUX, second if Taj is starting Dieng can be replaced by players like Dedmon and/or Udoh. There is a drop off, but it is not violent, and it would leave space for other players who will complement this team better. If Thibs is not looking to trade him he is a fool at this point. I like Deing, but the reality is the team would be better without him if we can move him, we can get players who better fit NOW and not put off the inevitable where he is traded for the ability to avoid the LUX at which point his value will be lower. Trading Dieng now no matter how you cut it is likely the best and most prudent move.

Dieng IMO is without a doubt a better player than Gibson. Gibson can back up the more talented KAT and Dieng and get between 24-30 MPG. Nice front court rotation.

So what? I think Dieng might be better than Taj too... That doesn't stop the fact that we made our decision with Taj, and that determined the fact Dieng is now movable. I spelled everything out for you, it is up to you to see that those are good points and to maximize value he needs to go. That or we have no real bench rolling into the season, nothing that will help us in the end anyways, or we overpay based on panic and give up a first for dumping a guy who might get a first if we just wait. This is chess not checkers.

We have about $35 million tied up on Dieng, Gibson and Cole next year. At the same time we don't have a back up for either Butler or Wiggins and the only backup PG we have is Tyus. We have two other guys with broken bones in their feet. We have about $3 million in cap space and about $4.2 million in a room exception. Am I missing someone? Hopefully we can stay healthy next year...

[KGdaBom]

At this time we are short a backup wing of any quality. However, if we trade Dieng we are starting a sub par PF and then have no respectable back up at F/C. We could possibly fix our bench wing by trading Dieng, but it would just be creating a new problem IMO. I'm not saying your Idea is terrible, but IMO it's a lateral move and hurts continuity with the players. We have already traded two of our five starters from last year. Not sure if it's a great idea to trade away three.

What makes you think that? Look at the players out there! Deing is not an all-star and the downgrade we get is going to be worth it, by far. Really, what is the point playing a $14 million Center as a backup PF, we can make better use of our money and our team will be better for it You wouldn't trade Dieng if you would be creating more problems, you would be trading him to solve MORE problems.

Trading Dieng would POSSIBLY fix the wing problem, certainly no guaranty. It would create a backup PF/C problem. Seems you have a very hard time with that.

[Ethomasp31]

In traditional team building, I would agree that trading one starter for two bench pieces is often unwise, but when positions are considered I'm more in favor. Gorgui as a 4-5 has less value to us than Bradley as 2-3 and Crowder as a 3-4. With Taj Gibson in the fold too, we have two really strong bigs. The value around the league is down for bigs and 3 and D wings are at an all-time high for value. So in this case, I think we would have to jump at the chance to acquire two such players for only one big man.

If we could get Crowder and Bradley for Dieng and the pick from OKC I would do that in a heartbeat. Supposedly we could do a sign and trade for Miles....for Cole and the OKC pick, but we would have to sign Miles for 3 years and $12 million a year. We also have supposedly offered Young $4.5 million a year as well.

Who's saying Miles will get 12 million a year. I have been hearing maybe 7-9 million range.

I heard Doogie mention 3 years $36 million on the radio on the way home from golfing....I'm pretty sure I heard him correctly....maybe I misheard him.

[SO_MONEY]

At this time we are short a backup wing of any quality. However, if we trade Dieng we are starting a sub par PF and then have no respectable back up at F/C. We could possibly fix our bench wing by trading Dieng, but it would just be creating a new problem IMO. I'm not saying your Idea is terrible, but IMO it's a lateral move and hurts continuity with the players. We have already traded two of our five starters from last year. Not sure if it's a great idea to trade away three.

What makes you think that? Look at the players out there! Deing is not an all-star and the downgrade we get is going to be worth it, by far. Really, what is the point playing a $14 million Center as a backup PF, we can make better use of our money and our team will be better for it You wouldn't trade Dieng if you would be creating more problems, you would be trading him to solve MORE problems.

Trading Dieng would POSSIBLY fix the wing problem, certainly no guaranty. It would create a backup PF/C problem. Seems you have a very hard time with that.

How? I don't get where you are coming up with this! It creates no hole. We would have space.

You seem to not grasp that, maybe it is because you think we would spend all our space on the wing, well that is just a stupid thing to do and unnecessary... that is why it won't happen like that.

In other words if trading Dieng was just to get a wing, I wouldn't be advocating it.

[C-Dub47]

Dieng IMO is without a doubt a better player than Gibson. Gibson can back up the more talented KAT and Dieng and get between 24-30 MPG. Nice front court rotation.

So what? I think Dieng might be better than Taj too... That doesn't stop the fact that we made our decision with Taj, and that determined the fact Dieng is now movable. I spelled everything out for you, it is up to you to see that those are good points and to maximize value he needs to go. That or we have no real bench rolling into the season, nothing that will help us in the end anyways, or we overpay based on panic and give up a first for dumping a guy who might get a first if we just wait. This is chess not checkers.

We have about $35 million tied up on Dieng, Gibson and Cole next year. At the same time we don't have a back up for either Butler or Wiggins and the only backup PG we have is Tyus. We have two other guys with broken bones in their feet. We have about $3 million in cap space and about $4.2 million in a room exception. Am I missing someone? Hopefully we can stay healthy next year...

Which can grab a decent backup PG AND likely a solid wing. There's still a lot of guys on the market with not a whole lot of cap room. Not the most ideal spot, but we're not in as bad of a spot as you are acting like we are.

[KGdaBom]

If we could get Crowder and Bradley for Dieng and the pick from OKC I would do that in a heartbeat. Supposedly we could do a sign and trade for Miles....for Cole and the OKC pick, but we would have to sign Miles for 3 years and $12 million a year. We also have supposedly offered Young $4.5 million a year as well.

Who's saying Miles will get 12 million a year. I have been hearing maybe 7-9 million range.

I heard Doogie mention 3 years $36 million on the radio on the way home from golfing....I'm pretty sure I heard him correctly....maybe I misheard him.

I have heard our remaining Cap space to be anywhere from 1 million to 4 million. If we are able to clear Aldrich that would make our absolute best offer possible to be 11 million per year. If I understand this right. I'm pretty sure we have less though. We have renounced every option we can renounce I think so we have no way to offer him 12 Million and more likely only 9 million unless we are going to trade Gorgui into somebodies cap space.

[SO_MONEY]

If we could get Crowder and Bradley for Dieng and the pick from OKC I would do that in a heartbeat. Supposedly we could do a sign and trade for Miles....for Cole and the OKC pick, but we would have to sign Miles for 3 years and $12 million a year. We also have supposedly offered Young $4.5 million a year as well.

Who's saying Miles will get 12 million a year. I have been hearing maybe 7-9 million range.

I heard Doogie mention 3 years $36 million on the radio on the way home from golfing....I'm pretty sure I heard him correctly....maybe I misheard him.

Let him walk.

[Maefteda]

I'm pretty sure we're not trading away Gorgui.

I think some people were wondering in some other thread which other player Thibodeau wanted Bulls to draft but then they didn't other than Draymond... The answer is Gorgui Dieng. Thibs loves him and wanted him over Tony Snell back in Chicago.

Granted, he loved Dunn and LaVine as well, but he was offered Jimmy Butler. Unless we get an offer that seems too good to be true, we're not trading Dieng. At least not just to clear cap space.

[KGdaBom]

What makes you think that? Look at the players out there! Deing is not an all-star and the downgrade we get is going to be worth it, by far. Really, what is the point playing a $14 million Center as a backup PF, we can make better use of our money and our team will be better for it You wouldn't trade Dieng if you would be creating more problems, you would be trading him to solve MORE problems.

Trading Dieng would POSSIBLY fix the wing problem, certainly no guaranty. It would create a backup PF/C problem. Seems you have a very hard time with that.

How? I don't get where you are coming up with this! It creates no hole. We would have space.

You seem to not grasp that, maybe it is because you think we would spend all our space on the wing, well that is just a stupid thing to do and unnecessary... that is why it won't happen like that.

In other words if trading Dieng was just to get a wing, I wouldn't be advocating it.

So your idea is to divvy up Gorgui's money into two or three different parts. First of all your idea needs us to find a trading partner that could take Gorgui into cap space and would want to take him into cap space. Or possibly sending us back an inexpensive yet quality backup wing or PG along with a good amount of cap space.

Trading Gorgui would create the problem of weakening IMO both our starting PF and our backup PF/C. You seem to think that wouldn't happen and I don't know what to say about that. Your Idea IMO is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

[Ethomasp31]

Who's saying Miles will get 12 million a year. I have been hearing maybe 7-9 million range.

I heard Doogie mention 3 years $36 million on the radio on the way home from golfing....I'm pretty sure I heard him correctly....maybe I misheard him.

I have heard our remaining Cap space to be anywhere from 1 million to 4 million. If we are able to clear Aldrich that would make our absolute best offer possible to be 11 million per year. If I understand this right. I'm pretty sure we have less though. We have renounced every option we can renounce I think so we have no way to offer him 12 Million and more likely only 9 million unless we are going to trade Gorgui into somebodies cap space.

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[SO_MONEY]

I'm pretty sure we're not trading away Gorgui.

I think some people were wondering in some other thread which other player Thibodeau wanted Bulls to draft but then they didn't other than Draymond... The answer is Gorgui Dieng. Thibs loves him and wanted him over Tony Snell back in Chicago.

Granted, he loved Dunn and LaVine as well, but he was offered Jimmy Butler. Unless we get an offer that seems too good to be true, we're not trading Dieng. At least not just to clear cap space.

Fine then we trade him next year or the year after when he has less value, but he is getting traded if our guys re-up and we extend Towns. If we do it now we have some control over what we get in return. So if we don't trade him we are pretty stupid.

[KGdaBom]

I'm pretty sure we're not trading away Gorgui.

I think some people were wondering in some other thread which other player Thibodeau wanted Bulls to draft but then they didn't other than Draymond... The answer is Gorgui Dieng. Thibs loves him and wanted him over Tony Snell back in Chicago.

Granted, he loved Dunn and LaVine as well, but he was offered Jimmy Butler. Unless we get an offer that seems too good to be true, we're not trading Dieng. At least not just to clear cap space.

Gorgui is such a unique all around talent. Played 82 games. Shot over 50% fg, 37% 3 and 81% from the line. Gets 8 boards a game and over a steal and a block each. IIRC the only other player in the NBA who can check all those boxes is Kevin Durant except he missed a bunch of games so no other player in the NBA can match what Gorgui did.