Trade Ideas thread

[the_bruce]

Would it be better to simply trade them Cole Aldrich for Mike Dunleavy?

ATL is about to waive Dunleavy, and pay the $1.7 mil he has guaranteed on his deal, to avoid the $4.8 mil contract. So knock $1.7 mil in savings off of Aldrich's contract for them.

For us, we have two options:

1. We don't trade. We keep Cole, sign Dunleavy for the vet min.

2. We trade. We pay $4.8 for Dunleavy this year, but it's $2.5 mil less than we would pay for Aldrich. We get a $2.5 TPE. We have Dunleavy on a bad contract this year.

Which package is better? Cole + Dunleavy for $8 mil, or Dunleavy alone for $4.8 plus a $2.5 mil TPE?

I would lean towards option 1, and look elsewhere, but if you think option 2, you may be able to convince me.

Option 1. Aldrich contract and pick will only become more valuable.

dunleavy for min
absorb someone with whatever capspace we have, e.g. will lance stephenson fit?
room on affalo

towns/aldrich/patton
taj/dieng/belly
butler/affalo
wiggins/stephenson/dunleavy
teague/jones

[minimus]

Option 1. Aldrich contract and pick will only become more valuable.

dunleavy for min
absorb someone with whatever capspace we have, e.g. will lance stephenson fit?
room on affalo

towns/aldrich/patton
taj/dieng/belly
butler/affalo
wiggins/stephenson/dunleavy
teague/jones

I am also wondering if IND is willing to trade Lance. I don't see why they will keep him in rebuilding situation without PG13. But I'd be happy if we can sing Dunleavy for min, get Miles in S&T (30mil/3yr) for Aldrich and OKC pick. Then fill the bench with the best players from SL and G-League. I have some good feelings about Charles Cooke (6'4" with 6'11" wingspan)

KAT/Dieng/*Patton
Taj/Dieng/*Belly
Butler/Dunleavy/Miles
Wiggins/Miles/Charles Cooke
Teague/Jones/Charles Cooke

* Patton and Belly both injured

[shrink]

I wonder if the Hawks would just like to absorb Cole Aldrich for a Top-55 protected 2nd?

Their front court (PF and C) right now is Miles Plumlee, Diamond Stone, and rookie John Collins. They will go shopping in free agency, but Aldrich might be a better contract than free agents, because guys his level will hope to get two years or more. He could get decent minutes there, mentor for a year, then maybe Stone and Collins take over in 2018.

ATL GETS: Patton (#16) + Aldrich

MIN GETS: MIN 1st + cap space

Justin Patton (C) and John Collins (PF) can be the front court of the future, Diamond Stone takes a shot too, while Plumlee and Aldrich (and maybe another vet) lead the tank, but keep minutes open for the youth.

MIN loses it's top prospect, but finds minutes for KAT, Taj and Dieng, gets $10 mil in space (CJ?), and reclaims their pick, to trade however they want.

[Oriole8159]

I wonder if the Hawks would just like to absorb Cole Aldrich for a Top-55 protected 2nd?

Their front court (PF and C) right now is Miles Plumlee, Diamond Stone, and rookie John Collins. They will go shopping in free agency, but Aldrich might be a better contract than free agents, because guys his level will hope to get two years or more. He could get decent minutes there, mentor for a year, then maybe Stone and Collins take over in 2018.

ATL GETS: Patton (#16) + Aldrich

MIN GETS: MIN 1st + cap space

Justin Patton (C) and John Collins (PF) can be the front court of the future, Diamond Stone takes a shot too, while Plumlee and Aldrich (and maybe another vet) lead the tank, but keep minutes open for the youth.

MIN loses it's top prospect, but finds minutes for KAT, Taj and Dieng, gets $10 mil in space (CJ?), and reclaims their pick, to trade however they want.

very hard pass

[KGdaBom]

I wonder if the Hawks would just like to absorb Cole Aldrich for a Top-55 protected 2nd?

Their front court (PF and C) right now is Miles Plumlee, Diamond Stone, and rookie John Collins. They will go shopping in free agency, but Aldrich might be a better contract than free agents, because guys his level will hope to get two years or more. He could get decent minutes there, mentor for a year, then maybe Stone and Collins take over in 2018.

ATL GETS: Patton (#16) + Aldrich

MIN GETS: MIN 1st + cap space

Justin Patton (C) and John Collins (PF) can be the front court of the future, Diamond Stone takes a shot too, while Plumlee and Aldrich (and maybe another vet) lead the tank, but keep minutes open for the youth.

MIN loses it's top prospect, but finds minutes for KAT, Taj and Dieng, gets $10 mil in space (CJ?), and reclaims their pick, to trade however they want.

very hard pass

I don't get the hard pass. Considering we would be trading an injured first round pick and a guy we want to get rid of for possibly Miles and a first round pick next year and keeping the OKC pick.

[Baseline81]

ATL GETS: Patton (#16) + Aldrich

MIN GETS: MIN 1st + cap space

Justin Patton (C) and John Collins (PF) can be the front court of the future, Diamond Stone takes a shot too, while Plumlee and Aldrich (and maybe another vet) lead the tank, but keep minutes open for the youth.

MIN loses it's top prospect, but finds minutes for KAT, Taj and Dieng, gets $10 mil in space (CJ?), and reclaims their pick, to trade however they want.

I wouldn't be opposed to it, shrink.

[Oriole8159]

ATL GETS: Patton (#16) + Aldrich

MIN GETS: MIN 1st + cap space

Justin Patton (C) and John Collins (PF) can be the front court of the future, Diamond Stone takes a shot too, while Plumlee and Aldrich (and maybe another vet) lead the tank, but keep minutes open for the youth.

MIN loses it's top prospect, but finds minutes for KAT, Taj and Dieng, gets $10 mil in space (CJ?), and reclaims their pick, to trade however they want.

very hard pass

I don't get the hard pass. Considering we would be trading an injured first round pick and a guy we want to get rid of for possibly Miles and a first round pick next year and keeping the OKC pick.

just because Patton is injured doesn't mean you need to sell him at his lowest value. We already had low expectations for the guy this year anyway so just let him rehab and comer back healthy either the 2nd half or fully into next year. he's worth more than either pick still though, and I think you're overrating the value of getting our original pick back.

and we don't need to get rid of Aldrich, certainly to the point of trading away our best young prospect. he has one year left on a contract that isn't that bad, and I'd rather he sit on the bench all year and cash his checks than have to attach either a 1st or Patton to move him. CJ Miles isn't that good, and certainly not worth over $10 million per year.

[KGdaBom]

very hard pass

I don't get the hard pass. Considering we would be trading an injured first round pick and a guy we want to get rid of for possibly Miles and a first round pick next year and keeping the OKC pick.

just because Patton is injured doesn't mean you need to sell him at his lowest value. We already had low expectations for the guy this year anyway so just let him rehab and comer back healthy either the 2nd half or fully into next year. he's worth more than either pick still though, and I think you're overrating the value of getting our original pick back.

and we don't need to get rid of Aldrich, certainly to the point of trading away our best young prospect. he has one year left on a contract that isn't that bad, and I'd rather he sit on the bench all year and cash his checks than have to attach either a 1st or Patton to move him. CJ Miles isn't that good, and certainly not worth over $10 million per year.

Bigs and foot injuries don't go well together. Patton's career could easily be over before it starts. A first round pick and 10 million in cap space is a lot for Patton.

[shrink]

I wonder if the Hawks would just like to absorb Cole Aldrich for a Top-55 protected 2nd?

Their front court (PF and C) right now is Miles Plumlee, Diamond Stone, and rookie John Collins. They will go shopping in free agency, but Aldrich might be a better contract than free agents, because guys his level will hope to get two years or more. He could get decent minutes there, mentor for a year, then maybe Stone and Collins take over in 2018.

ATL GETS: Patton (#16) + Aldrich

MIN GETS: MIN 1st + cap space

Justin Patton (C) and John Collins (PF) can be the front court of the future, Diamond Stone takes a shot too, while Plumlee and Aldrich (and maybe another vet) lead the tank, but keep minutes open for the youth.

MIN loses it's top prospect, but finds minutes for KAT, Taj and Dieng, gets $10 mil in space (CJ?), and reclaims their pick, to trade however they want.

It's rare for a team to trade a first round pick after draft night. Front office's have their reputations, and sometimes their jobs on the line. Fans read up, get invested, and picture him as his optimal value, not expected value. However, MIN might be in an usual position, because This isn't in job danger, especially with Jimmy Butler being the headline for the team. And fans already have two great young prospects for the future to pin their hopes upon.

The way I valued it was:

Aldrich < $7.3 mil cap space. But for the team's involved, the difference is smaller. The value of the contract is the same, but they can get more on court production from him.

Patton > 2018 MIN 1st + $2.5 mil cap space. He's likely a higher pick, in likely a better draft. The foot may lower this a little. However, for both teams involved Patton is more helpful to ATL, since we have KAT blocking his way, and they are more win-later than we are. The 2018 MIN 1st is more valuable to us than ATL - same pick, but it allows us to sidestep Stepien, and we could put whatever protections we want on a 2018 or 2019 pick in trade.

[Worm Guts]

I don't get the hard pass. Considering we would be trading an injured first round pick and a guy we want to get rid of for possibly Miles and a first round pick next year and keeping the OKC pick.

just because Patton is injured doesn't mean you need to sell him at his lowest value. We already had low expectations for the guy this year anyway so just let him rehab and comer back healthy either the 2nd half or fully into next year. he's worth more than either pick still though, and I think you're overrating the value of getting our original pick back.

and we don't need to get rid of Aldrich, certainly to the point of trading away our best young prospect. he has one year left on a contract that isn't that bad, and I'd rather he sit on the bench all year and cash his checks than have to attach either a 1st or Patton to move him. CJ Miles isn't that good, and certainly not worth over $10 million per year.

Bigs and foot injuries don't go well together. Patton's career could easily be over before it starts. A first round pick and 10 million in cap space is a lot for Patton.

When I think of bigs with chronic foot injuries, I think of Pekovic, Ilgauskus, and Ming, more heavy footed guys, guys not like Patton. Maybe that's a misrepresentation.

[Oriole8159]

I don't get the hard pass. Considering we would be trading an injured first round pick and a guy we want to get rid of for possibly Miles and a first round pick next year and keeping the OKC pick.

just because Patton is injured doesn't mean you need to sell him at his lowest value. We already had low expectations for the guy this year anyway so just let him rehab and comer back healthy either the 2nd half or fully into next year. he's worth more than either pick still though, and I think you're overrating the value of getting our original pick back.

and we don't need to get rid of Aldrich, certainly to the point of trading away our best young prospect. he has one year left on a contract that isn't that bad, and I'd rather he sit on the bench all year and cash his checks than have to attach either a 1st or Patton to move him. CJ Miles isn't that good, and certainly not worth over $10 million per year.

Bigs and foot injuries don't go well together. Patton's career could easily be over before it starts. A first round pick and 10 million in cap space is a lot for Patton.

well that's a very general statement first off as none of us have the true medical on him, so I'm not going to jump the shark based on generalities.
plus I agree with Worm that Patton is a different mold than the typical plodders like Pek or Ilgauskus that have fallen prey to leg injuries and size. he's leaner and more athletic so I don't think you need to assume that this will be a lingering issue.

and I disagree that the pick + cash is more valuable if the cap space is just going to go to CJ Miles, or whomever else is left on the market. Just use the exception and sign a base level guy instead. It's not like it's the $10 million in cap space or nothing; you can still use the base exception to fill out the roster while still keeping the OKC pick and Patton. Then you can still use Aldrich later in the year as well to trade for someone on a longer term deal from a team that wants to shed salary in 2018.

[shrink]

I agree with Oriole that if the Wolves had $10 mil in cap space, I still might not go for CJ, since there are going to be some very good contracts coming out in a couple days for some players that are only slightly worse than CJ.

I put his name in, with a question mark, because people have been clamoring for a way to sign him. With $10 mil, you could just make him an offer (no OKC pick to IND) - and see if he chooses a bigger offer over the one we made. I would remind people that he is a UFA, not an RFA, so it's entirely his decision. The reason IND thought they could gouge us for the OKC pick was because we didn't have cap space to make him a good offer without IND taking on Aldrich, and for that, they wanted a pick. CJ has said that MIN is his first choice.

Anyway, if you are a fan of the CJ for Cole + OKC 1st deal, then you are probably going to like this one better, because even though we lose Patton, we get CJ, KEEP the OKC 1st, PLUS get MIN 1st returned.

[SBM]

Marcus Smart is more talented than anything you will get at this point. Bjelica+1st or 2 2nd's for Smart. Replace Bjelica with Anthony Tolliver.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yan2okgx

Teague/Smart
Butler/Smart
Wiggins/
Taj/Dieng
KAT/Dieng

Sign guys like Tolliver, Afflalo, Dunleavy, Thabo, etc to fill out team. You need a backup 3 and you may be able to get Jeff Green for cheap.

[TheProdigy]

Marcus Smart is more talented than anything you will get at this point. Bjelica+1st or 2 2nd's for Smart. Replace Bjelica with Anthony Tolliver.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yan2okgx

Teague/Smart
Butler/Smart
Wiggins/
Taj/Dieng
KAT/Dieng

Sign guys like Tolliver, Afflalo, Dunleavy, Thabo, etc to fill out team. You need a backup 3 and you may be able to get Jeff Green for cheap.

Yikes, no. This team desparately needs shooting and you want to package up one of our better shooters along with the OKC pick, for the worst shooter in the league?

Replace Smart with Crowder and I'm game.

[TwolvesFanRome]

Are there any news?

[Streakers33]

Smart for that okc pick would be solid....

The Boston board is all torn.. they love crowders contract... bradleys on ball defense. And how smart is their tough guy who guards 1-4...

Now I like gorgi and a pick or two for crowder, Bradley, and smart


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[shrink]

Smart for that okc pick would be solid....

The Boston board is all torn.. they love crowders contract... bradleys on ball defense. And how smart is their tough guy who guards 1-4...

Now I like gorgi and a pick or two for crowder, Bradley, and smart

So kind of you to keep them from having to pick, by taking them all!

[wablty]

Smart for that okc pick would be solid....

The Boston board is all torn.. they love crowders contract... bradleys on ball defense. And how smart is their tough guy who guards 1-4...

Now I like gorgi and a pick or two for crowder, Bradley, and smart


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Smart will be too expensive after next year. Crowder is valuable because he's signed up for 3 more cheap years.

[SBM]

Marcus Smart is more talented than anything you will get at this point. Bjelica+1st or 2 2nd's for Smart. Replace Bjelica with Anthony Tolliver.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yan2okgx

Teague/Smart
Butler/Smart
Wiggins/
Taj/Dieng
KAT/Dieng

Sign guys like Tolliver, Afflalo, Dunleavy, Thabo, etc to fill out team. You need a backup 3 and you may be able to get Jeff Green for cheap.

Yikes, no. This team desparately needs shooting and you want to package up one of our better shooters along with the OKC pick, for the worst shooter in the league?

Replace Smart with Crowder and I'm game.

I am not passing up impact rotation players for one dimensional shooters who should play every 3 games or so.

[TheProdigy]

Marcus Smart is more talented than anything you will get at this point. Bjelica+1st or 2 2nd's for Smart. Replace Bjelica with Anthony Tolliver.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yan2okgx

Teague/Smart
Butler/Smart
Wiggins/
Taj/Dieng
KAT/Dieng

Sign guys like Tolliver, Afflalo, Dunleavy, Thabo, etc to fill out team. You need a backup 3 and you may be able to get Jeff Green for cheap.

Yikes, no. This team desparately needs shooting and you want to package up one of our better shooters along with the OKC pick, for the worst shooter in the league?

Replace Smart with Crowder and I'm game.

I am not passing up impact rotation players for one dimensional shooters who should play every 3 games or so.

No one is suggesting one dimensional shooters. You must have missed the part about Jae Crowder, who is very well rounded.

Here is the failure in your logic: We just traded away Rubio because he was a liability in our new system due to his lack of a jump shot. Literally the only pg in the league that is worse at shooting than Rubio is Smart. Why in the world would we trade the OKC pick (which we got for Rubio) + Bjelica for Smart? Doesn't make any sense.

Again, substitute Crowder for Smart and you're onto something.